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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Immortals of War
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:43:00 -
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First off, I would like to say: http://youtu.be/ussCHoQttyQ
Second: let's see the description
Quote:The Light Attack Vehicle (LAV) represents a new generation of mobile support vehicle, an agile and effective unit, adept at assisting both infantry and other vehicles on the battlefield with its cadre of electronic warfare subsystems and all-terrain maneuverability modules. Whether employed as a scout vehicle or as an anti-infantry unit, the LAV is a ubiquitous part of New Eden's modern battlefield.
So, more or less, LAVs are meant to support infantry and vehicles; I can't find it online, but the scout LAV description also says they're meant for hit-and-run attacks.
While I'm almost positive the turret is supposed to do the majority of the fighting, you could say that LAVs are doing their job- supporting infantry by running people over, and supporting vehicles by running AVers over. The turret just makes it more efficient at that.
As far as LLAVs, they can't do their intended job anyway because their built-in rep is garbage. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
867
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:44:00 -
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Wrong kind of "hit and run". |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Immortals of War
2363
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:45:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Wrong kind of "hit and run". How so? Either way, it's drive in, kill someone, drive out before AV can react. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:48:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Wrong kind of "hit and run". How so? Either way, it's drive in, kill someone, drive out before AV can react. actually i drive in blow up vehicles run av over and then leave some times i may heal people 2 but thats more risky i may get my lav stolen |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:49:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Wrong kind of "hit and run". hit and run is exactly what it is. |
Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
152
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:54:00 -
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If you remove LLAVs and buff the scout ones somehow, I would say yes. Some people may just want to be the best driver in new esen, drifting over the bodies of their enemies.
I never understood why logi vehicles were so hard to kill, but the infantry can be killed like wet paper. LLAVs need to be less difficult to kill. It should take only one, MAYBE 2 AV grenades of equivalent meta level to pop an LLAV. It would force real drivers to think about their maneuvers instead of just bull rushing a fire fight. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
102
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:54:00 -
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Me and my brother ran LAV "as intended" the other day in a Domination and it was crazy fun.
We drove up to an area, hopped out, attempted to hack whatever was there. And if we were getting overrun we'd fall back to the LAV and drive away. It was closer to the "hit and run" that I'm sure CCP means. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
102
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:56:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:If you remove LLAVs and buff the scout ones somehow, I would say yes. Some people may just want to be the best driver in new esen, drifting over the bodies of their enemies.
I never understood why logi vehicles were so hard to kill, but the infantry can be killed like wet paper. LLAVs need to be less difficult to kill. It should take only one, MAYBE 2 AV grenades of equivalent meta level to pop an LLAV. It would force real drivers to think about their maneuvers instead of just bull rushing a fire fight.
I love the idea of a Logi LAV having a ton of health and being there to recharge the armor and shields of infantry and give some fire support from the turret.
If they removed the impact damage, you might even see them being used that way. But you probably never will "because they're cars and cars can ram people." |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
265
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:57:00 -
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Working as intended
My LLAV saves my teammates by running over redberries before they can kill them |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
772
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:57:00 -
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I think the idea of hit and run is to drive in and destroy with the turret then drive off. |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5192
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:00:00 -
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You're probably right, just like MCCs are working as intended.
They definitely are working their hardest to make sure that amputees with no arms can succeed at this game, so I wouldn't be surprised. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
573
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:22:00 -
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All I can say is hit and run
Hit And Run.
I do plenty of hitting and plenty of running beep beep killer cabbie behind the wheel. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5193
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:27:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:All I can say is hit and run
Hit And Run.
I do plenty of hitting and plenty of running beep beep killer cabbie behind the wheel. Armor reps rep armor, not structure.
That's the problem, DUST is far too primitive to support actual structure damage on vehicles. At best we can expect a HULL hp bar, but that won't do anything unless impacts immediately damage the hull.
Anyone who thinks an LAV hitting an armored dropsuit (particularly a heavy, even more so if he's armor tanked) shouldn't be damaged simply doesn't want anything related to physics to relate to their death cab for noobie. I killed a full HP heavy yesterday with my free LAV by literally just barely tapping him with the corner of my LAV. BAM, over 1000 damage, and I was going maaaaybe 10 mph.
Don't defend the LAVs lack of physics. Abuse it, sure. Just don't defend it.
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pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
573
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:pegasis prime wrote:All I can say is hit and run
Hit And Run.
I do plenty of hitting and plenty of running beep beep killer cabbie behind the wheel. Armor reps rep armor, not structure. That's the problem, DUST is far too primitive to support actual structure damage on vehicles. At best we can expect a HULL hp bar, but that won't do anything unless impacts immediately damage the hull. Anyone who thinks an LAV hitting an armored dropsuit (particularly a heavy, even more so if he's armor tanked) shouldn't be damaged simply doesn't want anything related to physics to relate to their death cab for noobie. I killed a full HP heavy yesterday with my free LAV by literally just barely tapping him with the corner of my LAV. BAM, over 1000 damage, and I was going maaaaybe 10 mph. Don't defend the LAVs lack of physics. Abuse it, sure. Just don't defend it.
Sorry what had that to do with my post . I have never stated in any thread that I dont support some form of impact dammage on my llav as ill just rep up and continue ramming |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
199
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:37:00 -
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If LAV's are currently working (being used) as intended then **** CCP. If not then keep on abusing the LAV's people; the more you do the sooner it gets nerfed. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
4
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:37:00 -
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Scout LAV are useless , they have same stats as FREE LAV but they more expensive. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
4
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:40:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:If you remove LLAVs and buff the scout ones somehow, I would say yes. Some people may just want to be the best driver in new esen, drifting over the bodies of their enemies.
I never understood why logi vehicles were so hard to kill, but the infantry can be killed like wet paper. LLAVs need to be less difficult to kill. It should take only one, MAYBE 2 AV grenades of equivalent meta level to pop an LLAV. It would force real drivers to think about their maneuvers instead of just bull rushing a fire fight.
we also need a buff to scout dropsuits and a nerf to heavy dropsuits
we also need tanks to die in 1 or 2 militia swarms , any tank , regardeless of skill or items used
hell , dstroy everything with 1 bullet
can a stationary LAV kill you by ramming you?
ohhh?
what?
statio rammi...
infantry IS wet paper when gets hit by a car and so are you , go play in traffic and test it
equip any dropsuit u like |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
168
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:49:00 -
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I have no problems with the current LAVs. I always thought they were kinda weak many patches ago. I still don't like that I can easily snipe the gunner off. They need some type of protection, even it if is only 180 degree frontal bullet shield. Until then, they are easy kills. They stop to get a clear shot, I get a free headshot kill. If they at least had a 180 protection, I would need to be in a good spot behind the gunner's forward face.
Other than that, I can easily avoid/kill LAVs. I look both ways before crossing the street (thanks Mom + elementary school). If that fails, I can dodge left after faking right, makes them spin around and I throw the second AV nade to finish them off. I am glad it takes more than one AV nade now, I was sad that I got so many free kills prior to the HP buff. If that fails, I lay prox mines (wish they were mostly 1/2 shot kills on LAVs, but I have to use clusters of 3 or 4). And if they are too many to run around, I break out swarm launchers.
I think in the past month I have been ran over exactly once. Yet I have killed 40+ LAVs. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5193
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:55:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Sorry what had that to do with my post . I have never stated in any thread that I dont support some form of impact dammage on my llav as ill just rep up and continue ramming You're right, I meant to add that it wasn't directed at you but I spaced out, sorry bout that.
As for repping up and continuing, that's exactly what I was saying. It needs to be structure damage, something armor reps don't fix. They don't magically pop the hood of your vehicle back out from inside of itself after it's crashed into a couple of Heavies. The engine would be basically destroyed, the front wheels would be all ****** up, your drive shaft would be totaled.
You'd be lucky if you could push the thing
:/ |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Immortals of War
2367
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:09:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Scout LAV are useless , they have same stats as FREE LAV but they more expensive. You haven't driven one.
I have an Abron with a prototype blaster, and it absolutely kicks ass. The description doesn't tell you it, but it has more than increased acceleration. It also has higher turret tracking speed, and MUCH better handling. |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Immortals of War
2367
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:16:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:If LAV's are currently working (being used) as intended then **** CCP. If not then keep on abusing the LAV's people; the more you do the sooner it gets nerfed.
Edit: Now that I think about it, the nerf may already be locked in. Better run as many people over as you can before 1.3 gets here. Come to think of it, should infantry really have free reign over the battlefield instead of riding in LAVs and dropships? HAVs aren't the cost effective way of controlling them. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5193
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:18:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Come to think of it, should infantry really have free reign over the battlefield instead of riding in LAVs and dropships? HAVs aren't the cost effective way of controlling them. Structure
Damage.
This game needs it.
You actually like having 8 LAVs trolling around the field, don't you? |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:25:00 -
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ok im driving around with either proto forge or swarms or both in my lav if i have a teammate our priority is vehicles first if your standing in the street staring at the sky drooling your gunna get run over. to people who only drive around running people over i have no respect for you and if i see your lav on the other side bet ur but ima have proto av hitting you. however if your av and your targeting me and i run u over its your own damn fault for attracting my attention. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:28:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Come to think of it, should infantry really have free reign over the battlefield instead of riding in LAVs and dropships? HAVs aren't the cost effective way of controlling them. Structure Damage. This game needs it. You actually like having 8 LAVs trolling around the field, don't you? ok i am Mortedeamor i am proto av specced ina logi lav i have proto forge prof 3, and proto swarm prof v. av specs running in logi lavs is the best defense cost effective vs logi lav swarm. my rigs run 500k vs tank millions |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:31:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Come to think of it, should infantry really have free reign over the battlefield instead of riding in LAVs and dropships? HAVs aren't the cost effective way of controlling them. Structure Damage. This game needs it. You actually like having 8 LAVs trolling around the field, don't you? ok i am Mortedeamor i am proto av specced ina logi lav i have proto forge prof 3, and proto swarm prof v. av specs running in logi lavs is the best defence cost effective vs logi lav swarm. my rigs run 500k vs tank millions mobile because of lav speed proto swarms and forge are better than a tanks large turrent plus the lav can be used for runover defence healing teammate forge, cover. best all of you smaller corps have member specc like this..and come into the pubs and defend your teammates from vehicles. and have fun duels with me |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Immortals of War
2367
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:38:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Come to think of it, should infantry really have free reign over the battlefield instead of riding in LAVs and dropships? HAVs aren't the cost effective way of controlling them. Structure Damage. This game needs it. You actually like having 8 LAVs trolling around the field, don't you? As long as both teams have at least 2, and at least 1 gunner per team; yes, I like it. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
6
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:25:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Scout LAV are useless , they have same stats as FREE LAV but they more expensive. You haven't driven one. I have an Abron with a prototype blaster, and it absolutely kicks ass. The description doesn't tell you it, but it has more than increased acceleration. It also has higher turret tracking speed, and MUCH better handling.
i have and there is no speed significance over the standard LAV and what good is the turret turn rate since i dont use it
using the turret while LAV is sitting is sitting duck
only thing is they are blue , how many blue LAV have you seen so far?
me , NONE |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
6
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:29:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:All I can say is hit and run
Hit And Run.
I do plenty of hitting and plenty of running beep beep killer cabbie behind the wheel. funny , whenever i see u , u in a tank up in the mountains sniping
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6194
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:30:00 -
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Short Answer
No
Correct answer should be a vehicle that provides infantry support and transportation. Current the modules that help infantry, sensors, repairs, and killing the hostiles isn't working.
The only thing that works really well on the LAV is the controls and physics (of itself not interacting with the environment) right now. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
6
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Short Answer
No
Correct answer should be a vehicle that provides infantry support and transportation. Current the modules that help infantry, sensors, repairs, and killing the hostiles isn't working.
The only thing that works really well on the LAV is the controls and physics (of itself not interacting with the environment) right now. then you are not doing it right
my LAV setup kicks ass , im ONLY LAV player
i run over ppl only when i go from an objective to objective and they are in the way |
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