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Cook grenade, throw grenade, fire a few shots and the heavy is dead before he can do anything to you, let alone rev up his HMG for the full second it takes for it to actually hurt you -- AND THEN pray that he's tracking you well enough despite your strafing.

Doesn't matter much if you disagree with me, the science isn't wrong here.

Heavy is at a severe disadvantage, period.

"Waaah, stuff kills me because I chose a big ass target with a dangerous weapon"

Now Im sure you at least seen TF2 being played, how quickly does a heavy fall without medic to back him up? The same principle applies here
However that isnt to say there arent some problems, for instance the sentinel and commando seem to have their bonus' switched
After all it would make far more sense for the defense oriented sentinel to receive a bonus to shields and armor since the Amarr suits seem to be set to use a bit of both to survive while a commando would benefit more from having reduced damage feedback if he got overzealous while say running around with a laser rifle and scrambler rifle to cover various ranges since those weapons are supposed to be the Amarr bread and butter

Grenades out-burst what a logi can rep.

Try again.

Anyone going to argue with this guy? its too hot here and i cant be bothered

OP yes grenades are quite good against heavies...

No they are not the end all super counter that makes them redundant and calls for a huge hp buff

take my word for it

Cook grenade, throw grenade, fire no shots as that will kill pretty much every other suit aside from a completely tank stacked cal logi and at that point they may as well be in a heavy suit since they will have similar movement speeds

Cook grenade, throw grenade, fire no shots as that will kill pretty much every other suit aside from a completely tank stacked cal logi and at that point they may as well be in a heavy suit since they will have similar movement speeds

A properly cooked grenade doesnt give the target time to run away
You chose a specialized role so suck it up and learn how to play it effectively, are this games nuances different from other games hell yeah they are but is learning an installations layout, optimal firing lanes, cover locations, and ambush spots difficult? Hell no and if you cant compensate for it then you are just a bad player
I use that knowledge to predict where people tossing grenades are most likely to be and the most likely place they will throw them and you know what? I dont ******* go there because I have two brain cells to rub together

And dont give me that "waah I used to many armor plates so Im slow"
Hybrid tanking is a thing and sacrificing one plate for an extender and maybe a kincat wont be the end of the world

I have a full kinkat suit I wear as well. It's hilarious for trolling bad players but when you're in actual combat it doesnt help anything. Strafe speed isn't affected and its still too slow to avoid anyone who knows anything about how to counter strafe tech, so you become the easiest target on the field.

Meanwhile HMG takes too long to rev up if you're standing still, your HP value is too low to survive all of the incoming DPS, and if you strafe yourself your accuracy becomes too terrible to make a dent to a well-tanked well-strafing adversary.

It doesn't matter what route you take. The heavy is low-tier in direct engagements.

Do you run 4 complex plates on your heavy? If not, why should anyone take your word for anything? You're talking with this "I can't be bothered" superior attitude and for the life of me I can't figure out why. Are you supposed to be relevant or something?

no literally its like 35degC in my office and it takes effort to deal with you
... i do feel a little supirior in that i play as heavies and really dont find grenades much of a problem... .

I try to make relevant conversation... such as...

The reason you have such problems getting away from grenades is prob because your running 4 complex plates.

IN pub matches you may get 1-2 grenades tossed at you at any given time, some cooked, some not... and I agree that is not a big problem.

IN PC matches, you may get over 9000 fused grenades toss at you any given time... that is a problem. Very tough to avoid for anyone, especially the heavy.

This game has been referenced as Explosions514... and it seems to be the case now. Lots of MD, Flaylock and Fused Grenade spam... which is a terrible idea against a slow armor heavy suit. Give me back my B-Series lol.

I may have to disagree with you a bit. The "go-to" assault style suit in PC right now is the Caldari Logi... and those guys are pushing 900-1000 HP with better movement/jump ability than the heavy suit, better shield recharge rate/delay as well..

My Heavy Ak.0 suit with stacked extenders and plates has about 1500hp with about 25% movement penalty, and super slow shield recharge rate and delay (depleted takes a whopping 10 seconds). If I stack regulators or recharges, I sacrifice eHP... catch 22.

Which suit would you rather be in when the pro quarterbacks start throwing touchdown passes while standing on a proto nanohive?

The problem right now is explosions... too many of them.

Fixes:

Remove fused grenades.

Reduce grenade count to max 2

Do not allow grenades to be restocked through nanohives, or require them to take ALOT more time... like 5 seconds between grenade restocks.

We will see a new style of gameplay, one which any die-hard FPS fan would welcome... shoot first, grenade second. More gun game, less lolsplosions.

Heavies are slow. Like elephants, they must take care as to where they tread.

no literally its like 35degC in my office and it takes effort to deal with you
... i do feel a little supirior in that i play as heavies and really dont find grenades much of a problem... .

I try to make relevant conversation... such as...

The reason you have such problems getting away from grenades is prob because your running 4 complex plates.

Word... I can only image what a Sentinel with 4x Comp Plates moves like... ouch.

My favorite suit to run in pubs was 2x shld rechargers, 2x shld regulators and 1x repairer. Only 1k hp and CPU was a bit of a problem, but it all came back so fast :)

Armor plated heavies can not avoid grenades thrown at them, especially if cooked. Movement simply does not permit it. Yet the sentinel especially is supposed to be played this way, for the most part.

Now I want you to think about this for a moment. Locus grenades get a bonus to damage against armor, rendering all that extra HP worthless. And we cannot avoid them. AND everyone can carry them.

So what this means is that, by default, everyone has access to a double-hard counter against proper armor tanked heavies which cannot be avoided in any way shape or form. The only way to avoid it is to not use it, ever.

Our hard-counter to infantry, the HMG, can be outrun, outranged, and outstrafed. The proper counter to shields, the flux grenade, can be outrun as well. Every "counter" in this game can still be outmaneuvered if you are skilled enough, except for the counters that the heavy has to deal with because he simply cannot maneuver. When the Heavy faces a counter, he has already lost unless there is major incompetence going on with his opponent.

The only fair answers to this are either an extreme HP buff across the board or better movement.