No. That is all.

No. That is all.

Personally, as an Eve player, it is BS that we cannot fire unless the ground team accumulates so many war points. We are not part of the game, but rather we just facilitate "Call of Duty" style rewards for killing a large number of people. If you want me to give a darn about providing support it needs to work more along the lines of when I arrive at the planet I contact the peole in dust and they paint a target/give me a code. I fire immediatly, regardless of their WP total. I am there to turn the tide of battle, not to keep the winning team in the high seats. Let me shoot when I arrive so I feel like I am actually doing something! You could add a cooldown or a sensor reclairation time or some kind of other B.S., excuse to prevent me from shooting constantly. Even a "Lock on Time" of a couple minutes might be intersting, because it would make me vulnerable to attacks rom other ships . But either way I should be able to fire at my enemies so long as they do not have emplacements or allies in space to stop me! Doing it based on War Points is unfair to the players of Eve!

Although I agree completely with what you're saying I can tell you why it will never happen.
CCP doesn't want the Dust battles to be completely decided by players in EvE.
If you have the ability to just constantly bombard a planet then Dust mercs who don't have EvE support have no chance of winning the game.
I suggest that maybe the WP requirement be lowered. Because if you add a longer cooldown/locktime, the match will be over before you get another chance to bombard the planet.
I was hoping for the ability to bombard a planet non-stop myself (I'm an EvE player as well), but it wouldn't be fair for players who can't provide the EvE support they'd need to win the battle up top.
Allowing for EvE players to have constant bombardment skills give them all of the power and I think CCP wants the Dust mercs to be worth more to EvE players rather than the other way around.

You have never played eve then. Plus I'm saying to have a concrete cooldown built into the player's guns. Compromise. You only got so many OBs because u were not relying on players in space. I assure you there are few players in space equipped to care, and with a lock on time that made you vulnerable ou would never see such a thing unless fighting goonswarm.

Our ships take months to replace, your dropsuits take matches. We do not risk them lightly.

Um. You weren't here before were you when players use to be able to rake in so many WPs that an orbital occured every minute? The whole community got sick of the constant orbitals day in and day out. If you make so that it's free even with a 1 minute cool down, the whole match will turn into a complete OB fest.

LOL@Never playing Eve

I still play the internet spaceship game like it's serious business, bro. And I have been playing since 2008.

Uncreative and simple minded. You obviously need to go back to playing call of Dusty because Dust is supposed to be different from your average shooter.


They want the two games to intermingle, let us do something while we're sitting in space waiting mercs to accumulate WP so as to use our ship to call an OB. The purpous of the integration is to get people involved on both sides. Let us feel like we are actually doing something rather than sitting arounnd waiting to be used.

You don't uderstand. Eve is pay to play. And it takes months to earn ships worth a damn. We risk those ships every time we undock them. Its unfair that in such risk we can;t even put them to use.

Orbital Strikes were meant to turn the tide of battle. If it is based on WP, then the tide will only grow stronger in its current direction.

A greater amount of ignorance could not be spotted. You clearly are vouching for THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what dust is formed for. This isn't some "call of booty" p.o.s., no, this game is for moulding what happens later on in dust and eve. What Xerxes said makes perfect sense because it can help give teams that have a total downfall a slight edge, hopefully to turn the tables. WP is a good idea, but it's broken because if you lose, you lose. There is no coming back from a landslide game and it isn't fair to the losing team at all.

I fully support Xerxes

Also I like the WP limit. It gives a sense of accomplishment instead of just giving you one for just being in the game. I like to feel accomplished when I send down a strike upon the enemies that can one hit kill anyone in it. Just giving it just sounds stupid.

Sense of accomplishment? Your reward is victory, and the means to acquire it should not make you feel 'accomplished'. War is disgusting, and getting an OB gift-wrapped in WP isn't the right kind of disgusting.

Whilst you may argue it's a game and you're meant to have fun, I think the necessity for having equipment to highlight a target, then defending it until the strike is ready, then clearing the area, is more fun that acquiring an OB through killing newbies fresh out of the academy, then rubbing it in their face when you OB them as they finally break out of their redline and try capture a point.

I like how you called me a CoD fanboy because I said No. Also the reason why I left a short message is because that's all I needed to say.

Also I like the WP limit. It gives a sense of accomplishment instead of just giving you one for just being in the game. I like to feel accomplished when I send down a strike upon the enemies that can one hit kill anyone in it. Just giving it just sounds stupid.

(Also you don't only earn WP through kills you know)

You are a ****** or something sir. Your statement has nothing to do with what I was talking about. You obviously do not understand that DUST interlinks to EVE. I was complaining about how in EVE there is no reason for me to risk my billion isk ship waiting for some CoD/BF/etc fanboy to rack up the points to call in an orbital bombardment and smile. You selfish ignorent prick. That Orbital bombardment is not coming from YOU in DUST, it is coming from ME in EVE. "I SHOT THE [planet]..."

My complaint was that it is no fun for me IN EVE to literally wait for you to rack up enough WP to take credit for me risking my ship in orbit so you can brag about how you are awesome to your little buddies cuz you landed a triple kill with MY lasers. Alright? We on the same page yet? Did you actually read this? Stop trolling/being a jerk and think about what dust is SUPPOSED to be. Which is a game that has two games in one univers (oh, is that what "ne Universe One War" means? YES. THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS).

I was sayign I have NO REASON to let you DUST BUNNIES go ahead and FIRE MEH LAZAZ and think you did all the work. I want to be the one to actually shoot, not just be the one who's presence ALLOWS you to shoot.

AGAIN I'm asking that tactical ammunition gets a -100% velocity modifier added to its description/effects, and an activation delay of about 120-180 seconds (perhaps you could make a skill to reduce this?) This time period would represent the ship coming to a stop, locking in on the coordinates, and calculating the proper trajectory it should use due to atmospheric conditions/composition, the speed of the planet and its rotation, gravity, etc. Since I will have stopped moving, and all my guns will be in use this will make me vulerable (IN EVE IN CASE YOU STILL HAVN'T GOTTEN IT). This means I will have to rely on my allies to cover me in non orbital bombardment ships. Since currently tactical ammo can only be fit on "Small" guns this means frigs and dessys would be the ones to fire, which are often very fragile (although I could see an abbadon givving up a high slot or two for some OB lasers). With all this in mind let us fire at will as many times as peole will paint targets. Anybody who plays eve knows on average there will not be more than 4-10 ships in orbit and of them only 1-3 might be equipped to OB. The rest are support/defense.
Turn friendly fire on so people are not stupid about painting, and make the painter a limited ammo item people have to equip. Bam. Done. I can have fun on both sides.

ALSO, keep the WP system for instant matches. It does a good job of compensating for people not being there IRL/IE.

Besides. As I recall they planned on adding planetary guns to shoot eve pilots, as well as shields to protect you from orbital strikes.If the system doesn;t change you can bet your butt I am not going to wait 20 minutes while under fire and at risk of a gank just so you can brag about your stupid triple kill.

Now, does anyone have any useful, nonignorent insight? That is to say is there anyone who has been on both sides of the OB and is actually qualified to commentate?

Personally, as an Eve player, it is BS that we cannot fire unless the ground team accumulates so many war points. We are not part of the game, but rather we just facilitate "Call of Duty" style rewards for killing a large number of people. If you want me to give a darn about providing support it needs to work more along the lines of when I arrive at the planet I contact the peole in dust and they paint a target/give me a code. I fire immediatly, regardless of their WP total. I am there to turn the tide of battle, not to keep the winning team in the high seats. Let me shoot when I arrive so I feel like I am actually doing something! You could add a cooldown or a sensor reclairation time or some kind of other B.S., excuse to prevent me from shooting constantly. Even a "Lock on Time" of a couple minutes might be intersting, because it would make me vulnerable to attacks rom other ships . But either way I should be able to fire at my enemies so long as they do not have emplacements or allies in space to stop me! Doing it based on War Points is unfair to the players of Eve!

I actually like the sound of this idea.

In public matches, perhaps mercenaries need to carry a piece of equipment to send a signal up to the war barge, to denote that spot to call in an orbital strike?

Once it's placed, the squad leader of that squad can call the strike in only on that area.

The thing is, this emitter needs to be fairly large (perhaps double the size of a nanohiv, and very visible to enemy players. Now, not only can it be easily destroyed, but the enemy team should be able to hack or even move it so that it can be used to their advantage, or nullified by throwing it out in the redline before its even used.

And of course, its destroyed if the orbital is called in on top of it.

Imagine a full 16v16 firefight for a point. Suddenly, one team withdraws. The other side surges forward, into the open, only to find in a trench on of these devices and realise their mistake as the orbital bombardment decimates them. Tactical? Much more so than WP-earned OB strikes.

In PC, it could work the same way.
Except there should be expensive variants which could be bigger (requires two equipment slots) but lasts more than one orbital strike.
Variants which can be thrown like grenades, but take longer to set-up and ecome active.
Variants which are placed in one area, but in fact send up a signal somewhere else.
Variants which require two to be placed, and the signal is sent in between the two devices.
Variants which send random signals (for last ditch desperation tactics) where orbital strikes come down fast but uncontrolled, which could damage a team more than help it.

Making it easier (sort of) to launch orbital strikes will also force CCP to make bigger maps, reconsider the extremely short warning we get before an OB hits, increase indoor, sheltered facilities and structures, to counterbalance the influx of OBs. This is a good thing.

Furthermore, we'll see more EVE-side action in terms of fighting for control of the district's skies, as it provides a significant advantage now. Especially if, when multiple signals are active, the ground commander of the battle is required to relay to the EVE capsuleer which requires the OB, and which still have friendlies retreating to safety from the OB radius. More integration? Hell yes.

YES this is what should be happening.... OB's shouldn't be about one teams doing well...they should be about one team being more connected/ richer than another.

How would you balance this when there are squads of only one player? To my knowledge there are no limits to the number of squads per match, so theoretically there could be 16 one- man squads, what stops all of them from using an orbital one after another? Team orbitals/ cooldowns?

Support.

Player-fired orbitals should just have a cooldown, and should also kill both teams, regardless of friendly fire, so people don't just drop it on their head when they're in trouble (and so armor users have an advantage when they call an EMP strike)

Personally, as an Eve player, it is BS that we cannot fire unless the ground team accumulates so many war points. We are not part of the game, but rather we just facilitate "Call of Duty" style rewards for killing a large number of people. If you want me to give a darn about providing support it needs to work more along the lines of when I arrive at the planet I contact the peole in dust and they paint a target/give me a code. I fire immediatly, regardless of their WP total. I am there to turn the tide of battle, not to keep the winning team in the high seats. Let me shoot when I arrive so I feel like I am actually doing something! You could add a cooldown or a sensor reclairation time or some kind of other B.S., excuse to prevent me from shooting constantly. Even a "Lock on Time" of a couple minutes might be intersting, because it would make me vulnerable to attacks rom other ships . But either way I should be able to fire at my enemies so long as they do not have emplacements or allies in space to stop me! Doing it based on War Points is unfair to the players of Eve!

Actually, I kind of liked the system they used for the tournament.

You have the satellite act like the capture bunkers for Faction Warfare, and you have to hold it for 30 seconds each time before you can drop a strike.

I mean, part of the reason support is one-sided now is because it isn't even worth it to call in anyone to defend you. The enemy can only drop a strike when they have enough WP, and the only strikes we have available don't really have much going for them compared to the free one in the eyes of Dust players.

I like the idea of EVE support being a serious threat, not a killstreak bonus.

That last part is EXACTLY what i am talking about. And you are right. When we do OB now we sit in a deep safe and wait for points to get close to wracking up then we warp in, hit and run. We are not in danger so their whole original idea is kinda smacked down.

Exactly. If you think about, even when the ground installations that can fire back at us are made usable, they would barely have enough time to shoot before we hit F1 and run.

It doesn't have to be 30 seconds, if the concern is about spamming, it could be 60 or 90 seconds to provide more of a respite between calldowns, and it also provides for an impatient commander spamming them as soon as the countdown is reached, which you can use against them.

I think having a system where you have to sit on the satellite to "establish a link" or something of that order would lead to more incentive to use EVE players.

I mean, what if we leave in the WP War Barge strike with its restriction based on points, and then adjust the EVE strikes so that you don't have that penalty? You still have to have an EVE player in orbit, so they aren't free or without risk, but now you have a reason to want an EVE player working with you.

I like how you called me a CoD fanboy because I said No. Also the reason why I left a short message is because that's all I needed to say.

Also I like the WP limit. It gives a sense of accomplishment instead of just giving you one for just being in the game. I like to feel accomplished when I send down a strike upon the enemies that can one hit kill anyone in it. Just giving it just sounds stupid.

(Also you don't only earn WP through kills you know)

Oh ya definitely xerxes definitely so when the other team has no eve support you'll just be stomping them every single round. O ya cause EVERYONE who doesnt have an eve character or support are going to LOVE this game. Well if that happens bye bye dust, welcome back call of duty. Really dude i left that POS game for this for something new and instead you guys want to ruin it for your pleasure, well their goes CCP's dream of this game lasting another 10 years. If you have an eve pilot on standby just reduce the wp to 2000 thats what they should do.

Shouldn't players who have Eve support be rewarded?

Sir, the motto is "One Universe One War." The game was DESIGNED to interlink into eve, THAT is how it is supposed to be different. Right now it IS call of duty because you get rewarded for your damn kill streaks. If you don't like that they are finally at the point where the game is complete enough to do what it was meant to do, then go back to CoD.

And as I told the last guy, EVE isn't like that. Hard to explain, but play EVE and see for yourself. It is rare to have giant fleets in orbit around a planet for OBing. And of them only 2-3 ships actually OB, the rest are there to guard them because all the battles you guys do take place in hostile territory. To put it in perspective, imagin if each of your dropsuit fits cost you around 100 mil. Would you still play the same way? Would you still rush in carefree? Might you even cry upon death? Yeah. That is EVE.

Our ships are 100X more expensive when put to the same scale. My ships cost 1 billion isk and up, but we only make about 10-50X as much as you do in the same time frame (with some exceptions, but they are few and far between). If we lose A ship, we literally in some cases are out of commision for days, weeks, or even months.

In Eve, you need to have allies. Politics are EVERYTHING to the CEO and his officers. Corps are more than just "Clans" you join to get into the big matches. They are groups of like minded people RUN like mini governments. Governments have clashes from time to time, and Wars have casualties. Most of us look foward to Peace, and try to maintain it. Trust me when I say, sir, that you are not qualified to comment on this forum topic unless you have actually played eve for 2-6+ months. The game SHOULD and is SUPPOSED to be about who you know in Eve, or who you know that knows someone in eve, because that is just the way the Eve universe (which you are now part of) works.

ONE UNIVERSE // ONE WAR
Welcome to the neighborhood, and..... beware of natural selection.

(I like the idea of a 0 m/s penalty, makes it a bit more realistic and a bit more risky whcih would help balance the potential increase in OBs that would come with an entire fleet OBing).

Guys, as much fun as spamming orbitals sounds, there is a rather painful problem: It would make everything else null and void. If you could just drop orbitals anywhere and everywhere at any time and as fast as your eve buddies could fire, what would be the point in even fighting on the ground? The team that has eve side support would simply win, no contest.

To keep this being a game that is decided by boots on the ground and not guns in the sky, there needs to be some manner of limiting this, or no one without orbital support is going to even try playing in pc.

Guys, as much fun as spamming orbitals sounds, there is a rather painful problem: It would make everything else null and void. If you could just drop orbitals anywhere and everywhere at any time and as fast as your eve buddies could fire, what would be the point in even fighting on the ground? The team that has eve side support would simply win, no contest.

To keep this being a game that is decided by boots on the ground and not guns in the sky, there needs to be some manner of limiting this, or no one without orbital support is going to even try playing in pc.

I'm going to nitpick your word choice of "realistic", because neither Geostationary orbit or Geosync orbit is a velocity of 0 m/s.

At the poles of a planet it would be almost 0, except for the orbital movement of the planet itself.
I've never actually tried to orbit a planet at 1000km (assumedly from its surface?) but I don't think we can't expect CCP to calculate or render it accurately. The point is, our engines do record velocity as relative from being fully stopped, and to offer any realism it should be some small amount of velocity.

HAHAHA Why would your superiors let their ground troops have an orbital if they aren't doing well?

I don't see what your problem with it is, in a 6 man squad we can often get 4 or 5 on a good game of skirmish.