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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
396
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Posted - 2013.07.13 19:58:00 -
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OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Minmatar Logi Suit
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP
These weapons are ridiculous! |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
878
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Posted - 2013.07.13 19:59:00 -
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Welcome to about... 3 weeks ago. |
Washlee
Not Guilty EoN.
180
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Posted - 2013.07.13 19:59:00 -
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Join the QQ crew |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
396
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:03:00 -
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Troll all you want. IDC
I had maybe 10 deaths. They were all from this ridiculousness. Its ********. Its OP. |
darkiller240
INGLORIOUS-INQUISITION
70
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:08:00 -
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N1 yer it is OP N2 It was Proto so dont cry they are ment to be good |
OwnD07
BetaMax. CRONOS.
8
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:16:00 -
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I can confirm his story.
o/
EDIT: Except my suit was Proto Caldari Assault |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
754
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:17:00 -
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1 match testimony is indistinguishable from QQ
It's OP alright. But you just sound like an upset kid. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
396
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:34:00 -
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Upset kid I'm not!
I have never ever EVER seen anyone do that well in a pub match and I have been here since Chromosome.
I did kill him a couple times like when he pulled out an actual gun, and got lucky once in a smoky earthquakey boom boom boom of CQC explosive spam.
My team won the match, and I still got my fair share of kills *pats trusty Boundless*, but 52/4!
(edited original post)
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
846
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:36:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP
These weapons are ridiculous! if OwnD07 is using it that it must be a glitch w/ KB&M with it. oh btw cal logis can get more HP then that bro. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
396
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:38:00 -
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OwnD07 wrote:I can confirm his story.
o/
EDIT: Except my suit was Proto Caldari Assault
I'm really not mad, and honestly can't say I blame you.
If I was a FOTM kinda guy I would be doing the same thing *shrugs*.
You gotta admit it is way OP. |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5010
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:38:00 -
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I love these threads because you get to watch all kinds of people come up out of the woodwork to explain how skilled and difficult the flaylock is to use.
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OwnD07
BetaMax. CRONOS.
9
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:38:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP
These weapons are ridiculous! if OwnD07 is using it that it must be a glitch w/ KB&M with it. oh btw cal logis can get more HP then that bro.
But I run DS3 :( |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
396
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:41:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP
These weapons are ridiculous! if OwnD07 is using it that it must be a glitch w/ KB&M with it. oh btw cal logis can get more HP then that bro. last build he was using LAVs glitches w/ KB&M
So can Heavies, I just choose not to move like a sloth and LOLCal Logis cannot use an HMG and I'm a BFG kinda Guy
That doesn't mean that I don't think heavies are a little underpowered either btw. We could definitely use an HP boost to shield and armor or a resistance to small arms fire, but that is another Topic. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
846
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:42:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ladwar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP
These weapons are ridiculous! if OwnD07 is using it that it must be a glitch w/ KB&M with it. oh btw cal logis can get more HP then that bro. last build he was using LAVs glitches w/ KB&M So can Heavies, I just choose not to move like a sloth. That doesn't mean that I don't think heavies are a little underpowered either btw. We could definitely use an HP boost to shield and armor or a resistance to small arms fire, but that is another Topic. you want a boost to HP then prepare to move slower. |
Spaceman-Rob
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:46:00 -
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No sh*t sherlock. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
396
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:48:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:1 match testimony is indistinguishable from QQ
It's OP alright. But you just sound like an upset kid.
I already knew the Flaylock is OP, but this one match alone confirms that it along with Thukker Nades are OP.
Contact Nades...Really CCP? Why for you hayte Fattys so much? |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
737
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:53:00 -
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Hilariously he probably would have died one or two times less if he was running a proto cal logi |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2013.07.13 21:42:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:1 match testimony is indistinguishable from QQ
It's OP alright. But you just sound like an upset kid. I already knew the Flaylock is OP, but this one match alone confirms that it along with Thukker Nades are OP. Contact Nades...Really CCP? Why for you hayte Fattys so much?
So why isnt contact grenades in your title
They kill everyone btw. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
407
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:01:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:So why isnt contact grenades in your title They kill everyone btw.
You have a point. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
578
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:12:00 -
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Pauses Skyrim.
BEFORE we had MORE than 9000 folks online in Dust then CCP buffed LLAVS so they were just about unkillable and then added the flaylocks and for good measure hey!! fused locus contact nades that are zero skill requirements.
AFTER And during a triple SP event we were LESS than 6000 folks online in Dust. Now during Mordus Event its LESS than 5000 folks online.
I say either CCP fixes things and fast or folks will continue to vote to play other games.
Looks at PS4 pre-order and goes back to playing Skyrim. |
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Pje251296
KILL ORDERS
28
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:41:00 -
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Been waiting for changes to come to make the game even more fairer, and still nothing, so i'm just letting the passive's do their thing while i'm playing some others games. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
893
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:55:00 -
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Pje251296 wrote:Been waiting for changes to come to make the game even more fairer, and still nothing, so i'm just letting the passive's do their thing while i'm playing some others games.
Definitely... the best way to enjoy this game atm is to not play it. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
846
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:10:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Pje251296 wrote:Been waiting for changes to come to make the game even more fairer, and still nothing, so i'm just letting the passive's do their thing while i'm playing some others games. Definitely... the best way to enjoy this game atm is to not play it. i dare people to try this out laser& flaylock on an minmat scout, it is rather dare i say fun? because shield vehicle( and important HAVs) are like a waste of time&ISK unless your skilling into for support in PC matches where those can make some difference. (not shield HAVS but LAVS and logi DS) |
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:52:00 -
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Flay lock pistols and contact grenades is the reason why I switched to tanks. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
616
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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:06:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I love these threads because you get to watch all kinds of people come up out of the woodwork to explain how skilled and difficult the flaylock is to use. I'm pretty sure no one defends contact nades, they just use them
Contact grenades take skill and finesse to lob them just perfectly to take down that pesky spray and prayer.
Flaylock OTOH is a FOTM spammers wet dream. |
negative49er
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
66
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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:10:00 -
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only the proto flaylock is op |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
103
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Posted - 2013.07.14 04:01:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit.
These weapons are ridiculous!
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP a flaylock is a gun dude...also there are soldiers who specialize in grenades.....im pretty sure they are the ones who kill all the towel heads....dust 514 is no different.. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
103
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Posted - 2013.07.14 04:03:00 -
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Pje251296 wrote:Been waiting for changes to come to make the game even more fairer, and still nothing, so i'm just letting the passive's do their thing while i'm playing some others games. fair play has no place in war.....dust 514 is a war...so guess what? to hell with your fairplay! |
calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
39
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Posted - 2013.07.15 04:37:00 -
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This weapon has to be nerfed. I as a heavy have over 1200 shields and armor combined and it took two shoots to kill me. WTF is this, I have been tongue in cheek on this weapon. Because of all the nerf weapons this one has got to be fixed. Less than 10 meters and I was unable to kill this person but they can shoot me twice with a sidearm and kill me is over the freakin top. HMG was nerfed beyond capability and I have to pump over 200 rounds into someone just to kill them and if there moving and have proto gear well lets say I might kill them, but if they have a friend I'm done. So here is the proof of today's HMG and I leave you with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqDCCTCYTNI |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:36:00 -
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I'm so tired of hearing this. Try not staying still when I blast you? Simple as that, how is it op? 3 shots per clip. Jump when you see me shoot or stay in a elevated place to avoid the small blast radius. Really, it's sad when people cry about something that kills them. It takes about 6 shots to take down a heavy, and that's a std heavy. Kill the attacker before he reloads. Flay lock isn't op -___- |
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
62
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:42:00 -
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Contact nades are instant win and should be removed from the game. It's worse since they have PTW versions.
Flaylock is op. everyone knows it. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
427
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:59:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:I'm so tired of hearing this. Try not staying still when I blast you? Simple as that, how is it op? 3 shots per clip. Jump when you see me shoot or stay in a elevated place to avoid the small blast radius. Really, it's sad when people cry about something that kills them. It takes about 6 shots to take down a heavy, and that's a std heavy. Kill the attacker before he reloads. Flay lock isn't op -___-
Is this guy serious?
A heavy jump? LOL
Move out the way? Have you seen the Movement speed on a heavy suit?
Buddy you should be a comedian cause you have jokes for days.
It takes a maximum of 4 shots to take me down using splash damage from a Flaylock.
I can't kill a medium suit with less HP using my Boundless before I get taken down by a Flaylock. There is definitely something wrong with that picture.
STD Heavy has the Same Exact HP as Proto the difference is the Standard Basic has 1H/2L slot the Proto has 2H/3L. So that argument is entirely irrelevant. It is however indicative of the fact that the Heavies need more High and Low Slots, but thats another discussion.
If it takes you 6 shots to take down a Heavy with a Flaylock dude you suck at this game. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 06:00:00 -
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Lol people make me laugh, it's usually the ones with the low kd that cry about op |
bacon blaster
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
71
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Posted - 2013.07.15 06:03:00 -
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Know what? I don't know what kind it was, but I played a match earlier where everyone in my squad got one shotted by some prick with a flay lock. There wasn't even time to react, you were just dead.
Say what you want, but any gun that lets one guy dominate a fight is a tad op. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
427
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Posted - 2013.07.15 06:15:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Lol people make me laugh, it's usually the ones with the low kd that cry about op
My kd may be a bit low at 1.5ish, but I can guarantee you that is solely due to being proto stomped for the first 2 months I played this game.
You gave absolutely no valid argument to your stance that the Flaylock is not OP. Why? Well, that's simple it is undeniably OP!
You want the flaylock to stay as is fine, but give me 35 damage per bullet on my HMG, make the heavy suits move 1.5m/sec faster, and buff the base shield and armor by 200 each. That should balance the CQC HMG Heavy against the CQC Flaylock Sidearm ASSault quite nicely. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 07:39:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:I'm so tired of hearing this. Try not staying still when I blast you? Simple as that, how is it op? 3 shots per clip. Jump when you see me shoot or stay in a elevated place to avoid the small blast radius. Really, it's sad when people cry about something that kills them. It takes about 6 shots to take down a heavy, and that's a std heavy. Kill the attacker before he reloads. Flay lock isn't op -___- Is this guy serious? A heavy jump? LOL Move out the way? Have you seen the Movement speed on a heavy suit? Buddy you should be a comedian cause you have jokes for days. It takes a maximum of 4 shots to take me down using splash damage from a Flaylock. I can't kill a medium suit with less HP using my Boundless before I get taken down by a Flaylock. There is definitely something wrong with that picture. STD Heavy has the Same Exact HP as Proto the difference is the Standard Basic has 1H/2L slot the Proto has 2H/3L. So that argument is entirely irrelevant. It is however indicative of the fact that the Heavies need more High and Low Slots, but thats another discussion. If it takes you 6 shots to take down a Heavy with a Flaylock dude you suck at this game.
I own a dren heavy, I didn't say that heavy have to jump. wasnt talking about heavies at first. And I hope you know if it takes 4 shots to take down a heavy is only if it's all "good" hits. The flaylock have 3 shots per clip, I run a basic min light suit at level 3 as my main. A heavy has more than enough punch to take me out during a reload. Shotguns are better at anti heavy than flay locks. The reason I said six was because heavies aren't always alone, so I take quick shots to avoid being hit by a large crowd. 1 on 1 I can only take out a heavy if can run for cover or jump behind to reload. You try using the flay and tell me how you will do. Yeah I admit it is a powerful weapon but you have to take to account that every gun in the game. Besides av weapons are meant to take someone out in 1-2 clips. Flay locks have 3 shots per clip, so you have to make each shot count or you're dead. Just saying. I used to think it was op until I actually started to use it and it does require some skill to use, it isn't your average point shoot weapons like you guys think it is.
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Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
197
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:18:00 -
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While I agree that the Flaylock pistols do seem overpowered I would like to propose that rather that kill a good for killing with gun we consider an addition of a few modules to help us deal with damage better if we can fit them rather than a nerf.
Resistance Modules to increase damage type resistance to specific types of damage. This is taken straight from Eve and has a very real presence in new eden already for many mission runners. The wide variety of fits mean that there would not be an op button fix with these as generally they are damage type specific resistance and so would allow other damage types that were not that specific type to deal damage as if the resistance plates or shielding were not there. Please note an Adaptive Invulnerability field in Eve grants multiple resistance types at a lesser amount than the specific resistance modules. We would need both Shield and Armor resistance modules.
Reflective plating could reflect laser and splash damage away from the user allowing the user to be hit for full damage from a direct hit by a mass driver, forge gun or flaylock and still be killed through direct damage yet the plash damage wouldn't touch the user and allow them to jump or walk out of the way without adverse affect.
Both of these types of modules should be able to be used simultaneously and without movement penalties. This would allow an armor tanker or shield tanker to put an Adaptive invulnerability field and Reflective plating on a suit to resist some damage while adding an armor plate or shield extender to increase their armor or shield HP respectively and make it harder to one shot kill enemies and making another way of protecting yourself in a way that doesn't make you a slower moving target. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
285
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:56:00 -
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bacon blaster wrote:Know what? I don't know what kind it was, but I played a match earlier where everyone in my squad got one shotted by some prick with a flay lock. There wasn't even time to react, you were just dead.
Say what you want, but any gun that lets one guy dominate a fight is a tad op. This, entirely this. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
430
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:29:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:While I agree that the Flaylock pistols do seem overpowered I would like to propose that rather that kill a good for killing with gun we consider an addition of a few modules to help us deal with damage better if we can fit them rather than a nerf.
Resistance Modules to increase damage type resistance to specific types of damage. This is taken straight from Eve and has a very real presence in new eden already for many mission runners. The wide variety of fits mean that there would not be an op button fix with these as generally they are damage type specific resistance and so would allow other damage types that were not that specific type to deal damage as if the resistance plates or shielding were not there. Please note an Adaptive Invulnerability field in Eve grants multiple resistance types at a lesser amount than the specific resistance modules. We would need both Shield and Armor resistance modules.
Reflective plating could reflect laser and splash damage away from the user allowing the user to be hit for full damage from a direct hit by a mass driver, forge gun or flaylock and still be killed through direct damage yet the plash damage wouldn't touch the user and allow them to jump or walk out of the way without adverse affect.
Both of these types of modules should be able to be used simultaneously and without movement penalties. This would allow an armor tanker or shield tanker to put an Adaptive invulnerability field and Reflective plating on a suit to resist some damage while adding an armor plate or shield extender to increase their armor or shield HP respectively and make it harder to one shot kill enemies and making another way of protecting yourself in a way that doesn't make you a slower moving target. This would be fine, but with the current state of dropsuits, the Medium Class Suits would be the only suits capable of equipping them without a huge sacrifice unequal to the benefit gained by the resistance.
Light Frames and Scouts simply do not have the total HP to make them worth while.
Heavy Frames, Commandos, and Sentinels do not have enough slots to be able to equip them without a major sacrifice to tank. The Heavy Class Really needs to be given some TLC from CCP.
Regardless of any damage negation options, the Flaylock is still overpowered. It has nearly the same splash damage as a Proto Breach FG with a lot more blast radius. Considering the Flaylock is a sidearm and the FG is a heavy weapon, this is undeniably and ridiculously unbalanced. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
430
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:43:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:
I own a dren heavy, I didn't say that heavy have to jump. wasnt talking about heavies at first. And I hope you know if it takes 4 shots to take down a heavy is only if it's all "good" hits. The flaylock have 3 shots per clip, I run a basic min light suit at level 3 as my main. A heavy has more than enough punch to take me out during a reload. Shotguns are better at anti heavy than flay locks. The reason I said six was because heavies aren't always alone, so I take quick shots to avoid being hit by a large crowd. 1 on 1 I can only take out a heavy if can run for cover or jump behind to reload. You try using the flay and tell me how you will do. Yeah I admit it is a powerful weapon but you have to take to account that every gun in the game. Besides av weapons are meant to take someone out in 1-2 clips. Flay locks have 3 shots per clip, so you have to make each shot count or you're dead. Just saying. I used to think it was op until I actually started to use it and it does require some skill to use, it isn't your average point shoot weapons like you guys think it is.
At lvl 5 Shield and Armor Upgrades the Amarr Heavy Basic Frame has 1012 base HP
Core Flayloc does 214.5 HP Splash damage with no damage mods
214.5 x 4 = 858
I stand corrected, it takes 5 shots to take down a heavy. With the movement speed of Medium and Light classes it is very easy task to evade a Heavy's HMG by Strafing and Bunny Hopping while reloading. I rarely ever see anyone run for cover once I begin firing at them. The HMG Heavy is simply not feared like it should be. Which isn't surprising considering anyone with a GEK AR can out gun a Heavy with a Boundless |
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Orion Vahid
DUST University Ivy League
82
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Posted - 2013.07.15 12:16:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit.
These weapons are ridiculous!
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP AMARR HEAVY **** YEAH COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHERFUCKING DAY NOW AMARR HEAVY **** YEAH HMG IS THE ONLY WAY NOW |
George Moros
WarRavens League of Infamy
30
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:25:00 -
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Just to add my $.02:
Today I was in a pub battle playing HMG heavy. I ran into a proto assault Caldari using Core Flaylock twice. Of course, I got massacred both times. It was a 1:1 engagement both times. I'm not complaining for getting killed by a proto guy. He was, of course, strafing and hopping while shooting me, and I didn't manage to damage him much. BUT, if for some reason the guy decided to just stay still and shoot at me, it would STILL be a no-contest duel. Against a heavy, he could just stand there, soak my damage and still kill me before I kill him. So, that's me using a "heavy weapon", and him using a "sidearm weapon". LOL.
Anyway, I decided that, from now on, until flaylock is nerfed, when I see that the opposing team uses mostly flaylocks, I'll just switch to sniper or forge, say FYVM, climb the nearest high ground and start kill whoring. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
330
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:40:00 -
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Flaylock... yeah we've had this discussion. Whatever
Contact nades? yeah they suck, we don't like them, P2Win, etc.
Thukker contact grenades? ehh. Expensive, prototype fitting requirements. 2.5m blast radius. I won't ***** about these. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:41:00 -
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George Moros wrote:Just to add my $.02:
Today I was in a pub battle playing HMG heavy. I ran into a proto assault Caldari using Core Fla.ock twice. Of course, I got massacred both times. It was a 1:1 engagement both times. I'm not complaining for getting killed by a proto guy. He was, of course, strafing and hopping while shooting me, and I didn't manage to damage him much. BUT, if for some reason the guy decided to just stay still and shoot at me, it would STILL be a no-contest duel. A. inst a heavy, he could just stand there, soak my damage and still kill me before I kill him. So, that's me using a. heavy weapon", and him using a "sidearm weapon". LOL.
Anyway, I decided that, from now on, until flaylock is nerfed, when I see that the opposing team uses mostly flaylocks, I'll just switch to sniper or forge, say FYVM, climb the nearest high ground and start kill whoring.
Now what's next? After they nerf the flay lock and mess it up like they did to the masses driver are you going to complain about shot guns and scrambler pistol are op? seriously i csn even own a heavy with just that. I can even use a milita shotgun to take down a heavy. Stop moving in obvious patterns. The gun has only a 1.5 blast radius, you can outrun that easily. A heavy just has to throw nades ans spam the heck out of the attacker. The flay can't kill a heavy in 3 shots and rarely 4. So just shoot him down. I sometimes use my dren heavy which is the same as a std heavy, and I take out flaylockers like nothing.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
925
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:49:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Now what's next? After they nerf the flay lock and mess it up like they did to the masses driver are you going to complain about shot guns and scrambler pistol are op? seriously i csn even own a heavy with just that. I can even use a milita shotgun to take down a heavy. Stop moving in obvious patterns. The gun has only a 1.5 blast radius, you can outrun that easily. A heavy just has to throw nades ans spam the heck out of the attacker. The flay can't kill a heavy in 3 shots and rarely 4. So just shoot him down. I sometimes use my dren heavy which is the same as a std heavy, and I take out flaylockers like nothing.
It has a 2.5m blast radius.
And if you can't kill a heavy in 5 shots, and a medium in 3-4 shots... its because you lack skill. There are a great many skilled players who can do it and just lulz about how imbalanced it is. |
Courier VII
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
2
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:59:00 -
[46] - Quote
I hate the Flaylock as well given it feels unbalanced. According to CCP, explosives are supposed to do less damage to shields, but with grenades and Flaylocks, it doesn't seem to matter. Even though they only have three shots, a Core Flaylock pistol needs only two splash damage shots to kill most infantry (including Protos). And short of a shotgun, most weapons lack the punch to fight against a Flaylock in CQC. hamuel jackson from OSG did make a really good point about them being meant to kill because they are mini grenade launchers. That said, I do think CCP should nanohive nerf them just like with grenades so someone can't pull a one man army. As far as contact grenades go, I usually find some ass who can't fire a weapon waiting to throw one at my feet for a cheap kill Thanks DUST514! |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:11:00 -
[47] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Now what's next? After they nerf the flay lock and mess up like they did to the shots es driver are you going to complain about shot guns and scrambler pistol are op? seriously i csn even own a heavy with just that. I can even you a milita shotgun to take down a heavy. Stop moving in obvious patterns. The gun has only a 1.5 blast radius, you can outrun that easily. A heavy just has to throw nades ans spam the heck out of the attacker. The flay can't kill a heavy in 3 shots and rarely 4. So just shoot him down. I sometimes use my dren heavy which is the same as a std heavy, and I take out flaylockers like nothing.
It has a 2.5m blast radius. And if you can't kill a heavy in 5 shots, and a medium in 3-4 shots... its because you lack skill. There are a great many skilled players who can do it and just lulz about how imbalanced it is. You're wrong kid. The core has a 2.0 blast radius. The lvl 4 has a 1.5. So yeah you're wrong, I said rarely 4 or 5 shot, the whole statement you made was invalid. And dude the core is a proto weapons, so it has to be worth skilling into. and trust me i can own you even with out my flaylocks so yea you lack skill. Kthxbye |
Demon Buddah
The Phoenix Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:26:00 -
[48] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:I'm so tired of hearing this. Try not staying still when I blast you? Simple as that, how is it op? 3 shots per clip. Jump when you see me shoot or stay in a elevated place to avoid the small blast radius. Really, it's sad when people cry about something that kills them. It takes about 6 shots to take down a heavy, and that's a std heavy. Kill the attacker before he reloads. Flay lock isn't op -___- Is this guy serious? A heavy jump? LOL Move out the way? Have you seen the Movement speed on a heavy suit? Buddy you should be a comedian cause you have jokes for days. It takes a maximum of 4 shots to take me down using splash damage from a Flaylock. I can't kill a medium suit with less HP using my Boundless before I get taken down by a Flaylock. There is definitely something wrong with that picture. STD Heavy has the Same Exact HP as Proto the difference is the Standard Basic has 1H/2L slot the Proto has 2H/3L. So that argument is entirely irrelevant. It is however indicative of the fact that the Heavies need more High and Low Slots, but thats another discussion. If it takes you 6 shots to take down a Heavy with a Flaylock dude you suck at this game. I don't care what anyone says the Flaylock is OP. I can't dodge it so why do people keep saying to dodge it when you can't? And I use a very fast scout suit so I should be able to jump over the shots but I can't. I don't know what that guys problem is but I use an advanced Flaylock and take heavies, ANYONE for that matter pretty easily... When I'm not lagging lol. |
George Moros
WarRavens League of Infamy
30
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:40:00 -
[49] - Quote
FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Now what's next? After they nerf the flay lock and mess it up like they did to the masses driver are you going to complain about shot guns and scrambler pistol are op? seriously i csn even own a heavy with just that. I can even use a milita shotgun to take down a heavy. Stop moving in obvious patterns. The gun has only a 1.5 blast radius, you can outrun that easily. A heavy just has to throw nades ans spam the heck out of the attacker. The flay can't kill a heavy in 3 shots and rarely 4. So just shoot him down. I sometimes use my dren heavy which is the same as a std heavy, and I take out flaylockers like nothing.
No, I'm not going to complain about a shotgun being able to take down a heavy. If a shotgunner manages to get in close to a heavy, he should be able to rip him apart. Nor am I going to complain about MD. They seem just fine to me (I'm not using them, so I might be wrong here).
Could you please clarify how am I able to outrun flaylock's blast radius? What the hell does that even mean? You're talking about militia shotguns/scrambler pistols taking down heavies as if that somehow makes some kind of an argument. Sure, if you're a FPS god, and I'm completely incompetent at FPS games, you'll kill me with a toothpick. No militia shotgun needed. However, if all other things are equal, a medium suit using a freakin' sidearm shouldn't be able to regularly kill a heavy suit armed with a human-sized gatling gun supposedly designed for ripping apart infantry at close-mid range!
My point is two-fold. First, flaylock is OP. I'm not saying it should be nerfed to oblivion, but it should be nerfed. Second, HMG is failing to fulfill a niche it's supposed to fulfill. Either give HMG more range and make it a medium-long range weapon, or buff it's short range DPS (which would probably initiate a new "HMG is OP" forum campaign). IMHO, a heavy suit isn't supposed to be a CQC brawler, and attempting to make it one is futile. It's just like trying to make logistics suits be good at killing infantry. Oh, wait... |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
436
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:55:00 -
[50] - Quote
FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: You're wrong kid. The core has a 2.0 blast radius. The lvl 4 has a 1.5. So yeah you're wrong, I said rarely 4 or 5 shot, the whole statement you made was invalid. And dude the core is a proto weapons, so it has to be worth skilling into. and trust me i can own you even with out my flaylocks so yea you lack skill. Kthxbye
Ok the Proto Breach FG has 1.5 blast radius with only slightly more splash damage than the Flaylock. How is it balanced when a sidearm has more blast radius than a heavy weapon? To top it off those are base stats. The Flaylock comes with a skill that somehow allows you to magically increase your splash damage by 25% *tadaaah* 2.5m
The FG should do way WAY more splash damage than a sidearm, and have a significantly larger blast radius.
Stop defending an obviously imbalanced OP weapon. |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
932
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Posted - 2013.07.15 18:29:00 -
[51] - Quote
FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: You're wrong kid. The core has a 2.0 blast radius. The lvl 4 has a 1.5. So yeah you're wrong, I said rarely 4 or 5 shot, the whole statement you made was invalid. And dude the core is a proto weapons, so it has to be worth skilling into. and trust me i can own you even with out my flaylocks so yea you lack skill. Kthxbye
Flaylock Pistol Operation: Increases splash damage by 5% per level. You cannot have a core flaylock with less than 2.5m splash.. period.
Sorry kid, you're wrong. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
436
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Posted - 2013.07.15 18:33:00 -
[52] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: You're wrong kid. The core has a 2.0 blast radius. The lvl 4 has a 1.5. So yeah you're wrong, I said rarely 4 or 5 shot, the whole statement you made was invalid. And dude the core is a proto weapons, so it has to be worth skilling into. and trust me i can own you even with out my flaylocks so yea you lack skill. Kthxbye Flaylock Pistol Operation: Increases blast radius by 5% per level. You cannot have a core flaylock with less than 2.5m splash.. period. Sorry kid, you're wrong.
Fixed that for both of us |
Courier VII
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
3
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Posted - 2013.07.15 19:25:00 -
[53] - Quote
By the way Steve, would you care to explain how one can "outrun" splash damage? Seems fairly obvious you've never tried to or you'd know that's like CCP's idea of "fair and balanced" matchmaking: it sounds nice, but in practice, it's full of donkey doo. Also, I find it hilarious when you're telling us to "move out of the way" of an explosive weapon. I'd like to understand how it's fair that a rocket pistol has as quick a reload as other conventional weapons, fires a stinkin mini contact grenade yet you still think it makes sense that no other sidearm has as much overwhelming power in such a variety of situations as this fruity ass Flaylock. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
74
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:03:00 -
[54] - Quote
Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Pauses Skyrim.
BEFORE we had MORE than 9000 folks online in Dust then CCP buffed LLAVS so they were just about unkillable and then added the flaylocks and for good measure hey!! fused locus contact nades that are zero skill requirements.
AFTER And during a triple SP event we were LESS than 6000 folks online in Dust. Now during Mordus Event its LESS than 5000 folks online.
I say either CCP fixes things and fast or folks will continue to vote to play other games.
Looks at PS4 pre-order and goes back to playing Skyrim.
Skyrim is a great game , I love all the elder scrolls games. Still have so much to do in Skyrim. |
Spectre-M
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:16:00 -
[55] - Quote
Ive gotten killed with a flaylock many times, considering im in proto assault with lvl 3 shield extension(3) and lvl 3 armor plating(2)(about 600-700 hp), it is a sidearm that has a lot of potential. People apparently even put the weapon in thier names its such a good sidearm. My only way to even the playing field is by using fused locus nades(15 AUR and no SP) to replicate thier 'flaylock' style, because using a Duvolle AR even at medium range and every bullet counting, it still only takes 2 splash damage shots to kill. So i turn a corner and wait for them to step on my nade. Problem solved. I actually like the FL (dont use it myself) because it doesnt take alot of skill to bait them and let thier over confidence be thier undoing. They spam FL, i spam fused locus. And the nades cost alot less AUR. If CCP wanted to make things right, they would nerf both so i dont have to use my AUR just to hold them off. but then again...CCP wants to make $money$ and that means making people buy AUR to even out. sounds like they planned the whole thing, lol. In the art of war, you adapt to changing enviroments by using the opponents strengths and weaknesses. Try investing in some proximity mines and bait them that way, as there are alot of resources in this game to change the playing field. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
187
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:33:00 -
[56] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit.
These weapons are ridiculous!
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP Lol that's probably why he used those weapons, cuz you got mad from dying , started playing dumb out of anger an he finally decided to give you a fighting chance so he used a gun to give you a tad bit of pride then proceeded to waste you. Dude explosive weapons are your weakness your fat an slow- deal wit it. I run scout an knives you think I would even go near a guy running that on his fit? You should have picked a different side of the map! Plus heavies are a threat my knive take you out of the pack first, why? BECAUSE ITS A SMART STRATIGIC PLAY THAT'S WHY! You take the queen off the chess board as soon as you can, face it your a queen lol |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
439
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:08:00 -
[57] - Quote
OZAROW wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit.
These weapons are ridiculous!
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP Lol that's probably why he used those weapons, cuz you got mad from dying , started playing dumb out of anger an he finally decided to give you a fighting chance so he used a gun to give you a tad bit of pride then proceeded to waste you. Dude explosive weapons are your weakness your fat an slow- deal wit it. I run scout an knives you think I would even go near a guy running that on his fit? You should have picked a different side of the map! Plus heavies are a threat my knive take you out of the pack first, why? BECAUSE ITS A SMART STRATIGIC PLAY THAT'S WHY! You take the queen off the chess board as soon as you can, face it your a queen lol
This is about the dumbest thing I have heard so far.
I'm fat and slow yea? Deal with it huh?
I DO! I keep my fat ass inside complexes in CQC areas where I can catch guys in a choke point. After all that's where a Heavy should shine right? I don't go venturing out into open areas where I can be picked off by ARs SRs SCRs HAVs ran down by LAVs or the whole slew of other traps seemingly designed to catch Heavies in this game!
I guess you're right though I should go sit on top of a spire somewhere looking over the battle field like some majestic lord of war because as a heavy I am only here as a gimmick now right?
Or maybe I should just sit at a completely uncontested objective the entire battle waiting to duel it out with the lone ninja scout who might MIGHT come to try and steal the objective. Sadly unless I happen to spot him at 40 m away he's likely to win that battle because heavies cant track for **** in CQC and everyone knows it.
You act like a little child and smash your fist down on the chess board wrecking the game (flaylock user) because you have no strategical skills and nobody has fun playing the game! |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:42:00 -
[58] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:OZAROW wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit.
These weapons are ridiculous!
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP Lol that's probably why he used those weapons, cuz you got mad from dying , started playing dumb out of anger an he finally decided to give you a fighting chance so he used a gun to give you a tad bit of pride then proceeded to waste you. Dude explosive weapons are your weakness your fat an slow- deal wit it. I run scout an knives you think I would even go near a guy running that on his fit? You should have picked a different side of the map! Plus heavies are a threat my knive take you out of the pack first, why? BECAUSE ITS A SMART STRATIGIC PLAY THAT'S WHY! You take the queen off the chess board as soon as you can, face it your a queen lol You act like a little child and smash your fist down on the chess board wrecking the game (flaylock user) because you have no strategical skills and nobody has fun playing the game! I hope you know using a scout suit does require skill. Scouts are the weakest suits, so why not use a gun to make up for it. :) |
ECHO PACK
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
68
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:51:00 -
[59] - Quote
people need to use strategy when facing different weapons if a flaylock user shoots at your feet hop around and shoot don't stand there like an idiot then complain on the forums |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
439
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Posted - 2013.07.16 01:14:00 -
[60] - Quote
ECHO PACK wrote:people need to use strategy when facing different weapons if a flaylock user shoots at your feet hop around and shoot don't stand there like an idiot then complain on the forums
Show me a Heavy who can hop around to avoid 2.5 m blast radius on both sides of him |
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.16 02:20:00 -
[61] - Quote
ECHO PACK wrote:people need to use strategy when facing different weapons if a flaylock user shoots at your feet hop around and shoot don't stand there like an idiot then complain on the forums Exactly my point. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.16 02:24:00 -
[62] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:ECHO PACK wrote:people need to use strategy when facing different weapons if a flaylock user shoots at your feet hop around and shoot don't stand there like an idiot then complain on the forums Show me a Heavy who can hop around to avoid 2.5 m blast radius on both sides of him Show me a heavy that can't spray people while moving side to side. Please don't tell me you can't take down a flaylock. I've seen on plenty of heavies that can counter a flaylocker by leading his shots ahead of the attackers movement's. |
Courier VII
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
3
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Posted - 2013.07.16 05:22:00 -
[63] - Quote
It's a bastardized n00b tube. Lemme ask you Steve, what did you use before Flaylock pistols? Did you play before we had Flaylock pistols? Do you even DUST bro? |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
749
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Posted - 2013.07.16 05:56:00 -
[64] - Quote
I have an alt with 5 million SP that I went straight into the core flay lock with. That char can be more fun than my 13.5 million SP main because with that gun he's a 1 man army. With a cheap as hell suit he can take out two proto suits solo, at the same time. Then to top it all off, the ragemails are hilarious. It's even more OP than the tac ar was. At least with the tac you had to have some aiming skill, this thing you just point in someone's general direction and they die. It *is* fun to use, but really bad for the game. If you're trying to be competitive there aren't many compelling reasons to use anything else. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
390
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:16:00 -
[65] - Quote
Kristoff Atruin wrote:I have an alt with 5 million SP that I went straight into the core flay lock with. That char can be more fun than my 13.5 million SP main because with that gun he's a 1 man army. With a cheap as hell suit he can take out two proto suits solo, at the same time. Then to top it all off, the ragemails are hilarious. It's even more OP than the tac ar was. At least with the tac you had to have some aiming skill, this thing you just point in someone's general direction and they die. It *is* fun to use, but really bad for the game. If you're trying to be competitive there aren't many compelling reasons to use anything else.
Now that is an honest post. Thank you sir, for showing the rest of us the respect we deserve and not just riding the "It ain't true cause I say it ain't true," QQ train.
We all know the CFL is OP. This really isn't the issue. Even Steve knows it but he is leader of the "Flaylock love Coalition" and can't stop to think about what he is saying. The real issue is that CCP is taking far too long to fix the problem, just like they did with the TAR. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
191
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:20:00 -
[66] - Quote
Draco Cerberus wrote:While I agree that the Flaylock pistols do seem overpowered I would like to propose that rather that kill a good for killing with gun we consider an addition of a few modules to help us deal with damage better if we can fit them rather than a nerf.
Resistance Modules to increase damage type resistance to specific types of damage. This is taken straight from Eve and has a very real presence in new eden already for many mission runners. The wide variety of fits mean that there would not be an op button fix with these as generally they are damage type specific resistance and so would allow other damage types that were not that specific type to deal damage as if the resistance plates or shielding were not there. Please note an Adaptive Invulnerability field in Eve grants multiple resistance types at a lesser amount than the specific resistance modules. We would need both Shield and Armor resistance modules.
Reflective plating could reflect laser and splash damage away from the user allowing the user to be hit for full damage from a direct hit by a mass driver, forge gun or flaylock and still be killed through direct damage yet the plash damage wouldn't touch the user and allow them to jump or walk out of the way without adverse affect.
Both of these types of modules should be able to be used simultaneously and without movement penalties. This would allow an armor tanker or shield tanker to put an Adaptive invulnerability field and Reflective plating on a suit to resist some damage while adding an armor plate or shield extender to increase their armor or shield HP respectively and make it harder to one shot kill enemies and making another way of protecting yourself in a way that doesn't make you a slower moving target. Finally someone thinking forwards instead of backwards, thankyou sir for being combat ready |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
191
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:39:00 -
[67] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:
I own a dren heavy, I didn't say that heavy have to jump. wasnt talking about heavies at first. And I hope you know if it takes 4 shots to take down a heavy is only if it's all "good" hits. The flaylock have 3 shots per clip, I run a basic min light suit at level 3 as my main. A heavy has more than enough punch to take me out during a reload. Shotguns are better at anti heavy than flay locks. The reason I said six was because heavies aren't always alone, so I take quick shots to avoid being hit by a large crowd. 1 on 1 I can only take out a heavy if can run for cover or jump behind to reload. You try using the flay and tell me how you will do. Yeah I admit it is a powerful weapon but you have to take to account that every gun in the game. Besides av weapons are meant to take someone out in 1-2 clips. Flay locks have 3 shots per clip, so you have to make each shot count or you're dead. Just saying. I used to think it was op until I actually started to use it and it does require some skill to use, it isn't your average point shoot weapons like you guys think it is.
At lvl 5 Shield and Armor Upgrades the Amarr Heavy Basic Frame has 1012 base HP Core Flayloc does 214.5 HP Splash damage with no damage mods 214.5 x 4 = 858 I stand corrected, it takes 5 shots to take down a heavy. With the movement speed of Medium and Light classes it is very easy task to evade a Heavy's HMG by Strafing and Bunny Hopping while reloading. I rarely ever see anyone run for cover once I begin firing at them. The HMG Heavy is simply not feared like it should be. Which isn't surprising considering anyone with a GEK AR can out gun a Heavy with a Boundless My knives will take you out in one shot you saying my 250 hp, speed, an crappy hit detection knives a op? Heavies Arent unbeatable if that's why you spec into them to go 32/0 an a guy finds a weapon that exposes your weaknesses I say no pity here |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
440
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Posted - 2013.07.16 08:33:00 -
[68] - Quote
OZAROW wrote: My knives will take you out in one shot you saying my 250 hp, speed, an crappy hit detection knives a op? Heavies Arent unbeatable if that's why you spec into them to go 32/0 an a guy finds a weapon that exposes your weaknesses I say no pity here
Nova Knives require skill to be able to get in close enough to deal damage. If you can do that then +1 to you.
There is no skill involved using a flaylock. You simply strafe/bunnyhop + spam explosives.
I can not wait till all of the children go back to school so I can actually play this game with people other than a bunch of stat padding tryhards who can not pick a playstyle and stay with it simply because its what you like to play. No, you people are more interested in stat padding so you jump on the bandwagon with what ever is OP. I'm convinced that you wait for a human with some actual intelligence discovers an OP weapon or fitting, then comes to the Forums and suggest ways to fix it. Upon reading said post you all flock to whatever the FOTM is and spend your SP which you saved just for the occasion. |
Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
199
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Posted - 2013.07.16 14:28:00 -
[69] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:While I agree that the Flaylock pistols do seem overpowered I would like to propose that rather that kill a good for killing with gun we consider an addition of a few modules to help us deal with damage better if we can fit them rather than a nerf.
Resistance Modules to increase damage type resistance to specific types of damage. This is taken straight from Eve and has a very real presence in new eden already for many mission runners. The wide variety of fits mean that there would not be an op button fix with these as generally they are damage type specific resistance and so would allow other damage types that were not that specific type to deal damage as if the resistance plates or shielding were not there. Please note an Adaptive Invulnerability field in Eve grants multiple resistance types at a lesser amount than the specific resistance modules. We would need both Shield and Armor resistance modules.
Reflective plating could reflect laser and splash damage away from the user allowing the user to be hit for full damage from a direct hit by a mass driver, forge gun or flaylock and still be killed through direct damage yet the plash damage wouldn't touch the user and allow them to jump or walk out of the way without adverse affect.
Both of these types of modules should be able to be used simultaneously and without movement penalties. This would allow an armor tanker or shield tanker to put an Adaptive invulnerability field and Reflective plating on a suit to resist some damage while adding an armor plate or shield extender to increase their armor or shield HP respectively and make it harder to one shot kill enemies and making another way of protecting yourself in a way that doesn't make you a slower moving target. This would be fine, but with the current state of dropsuits, the Medium Class Suits would be the only suits capable of equipping them without a huge sacrifice unequal to the benefit gained by the resistance. Light Frames and Scouts simply do not have the total HP to make them worth while. Heavy Frames, Commandos, and Sentinels do not have enough slots to be able to equip them without a major sacrifice to tank. The Heavy Class Really needs to be given some TLC from CCP. Regardless of any damage negation options, the Flaylock is still overpowered. It has nearly the same splash damage as a Proto Breach FG with a lot more blast radius. Considering the Flaylock is a sidearm and the FG is a heavy weapon, this is undeniably and ridiculously unbalanced. Agreed, it has a good deal of splash and damage. So lets nerf it. 50% the splash of a Mass Driver because it is a sidearm version, and I think it would be fixed. --this is not a request to nerf but a tongue in cheek comment the gun is broken and I wish I had my "OP" TAC AR now to deal with it,. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
191
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Posted - 2013.07.17 04:31:00 -
[70] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:OZAROW wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit.
These weapons are ridiculous!
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP Lol that's probably why he used those weapons, cuz you got mad from dying , started playing dumb out of anger an he finally decided to give you a fighting chance so he used a gun to give you a tad bit of pride then proceeded to waste you. Dude explosive weapons are your weakness your fat an slow- deal wit it. I run scout an knives you think I would even go near a guy running that on his fit? You should have picked a different side of the map! Plus heavies are a threat my knive take you out of the pack first, why? BECAUSE ITS A SMART STRATIGIC PLAY THAT'S WHY! You take the queen off the chess board as soon as you can, face it your a queen lol This is about the dumbest thing I have heard so far. I'm fat and slow yea? Deal with it huh? I DO! I keep my fat ass inside complexes in CQC areas where I can catch guys in a choke point. After all that's where a Heavy should shine right? I don't go venturing out into open areas where I can be picked off by ARs SRs SCRs HAVs ran down by LAVs or the whole slew of other traps seemingly designed to catch Heavies in this game! I guess you're right though I should go sit on top of a spire somewhere looking over the battle field like some majestic lord of war because as a heavy I am only here as a gimmick now right? Or maybe I should just sit at a completely uncontested objective the entire battle waiting to duel it out with the lone ninja scout who might MIGHT come to try and steal the objective. Sadly unless I happen to spot him at 40 m away he's likely to win that battle because heavies cant track for **** in CQC and everyone knows it. You act like a little child and smash your fist down on the chess board wrecking the game (flaylock user) because you have no strategical skills and nobody has fun playing the game! I would say that knowing your fat but is gonna stay in a cqc area, letting you trap yourself in a bottle neck because you assume I'm scared of that hmg, fluxing you, faylocking you, running away an flanking you a comming up behind you with full hp is strategy enough! That's your weakness of your decision of being a heavy for easy kill should I cry when theirs a weapon designed to beat you? Should you really make a big fuss now that you die easier? Sound like a girl much , dude everybody got a re spec in may some people got 2 an everyone knew faylock , plasma cannon an scrambler rifle were on their way so if you eagerly went right into heavy thinking it was gonna be like chromosonne an had no patience , never asked anyone if heavies were crap or just speced into it anyway, or never applied for second respec , the fact that you STILL chose heavy shows that your either dedicated even tho everyone knows their not what they used to be, means YOU CAN'T STILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR WEAKNESSES.! Or it shows that your cocky wanted easy kills an high scores, have a one track mind, fall for the same trik everytime an cry when things don't go your way! My class got nerfed too but I never complained till 1.2 but they ll fix it same as they will fix all the crap your crying about so quit posting your sounding weak minded an hasty |
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1155
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Posted - 2013.07.17 04:42:00 -
[71] - Quote
Go AR or go home. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
191
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Posted - 2013.07.17 04:44:00 -
[72] - Quote
George Moros wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Now what's next? After they nerf the flay lock and mess it up like they did to the masses driver are you going to complain about shot guns and scrambler pistol are op? seriously i csn even own a heavy with just that. I can even use a milita shotgun to take down a heavy. Stop moving in obvious patterns. The gun has only a 1.5 blast radius, you can outrun that easily. A heavy just has to throw nades ans spam the heck out of the attacker. The flay can't kill a heavy in 3 shots and rarely 4. So just shoot him down. I sometimes use my dren heavy which is the same as a std heavy, and I take out flaylockers like nothing.
No, I'm not going to complain about a shotgun being able to take down a heavy. If a shotgunner manages to get in close to a heavy, he should be able to rip him apart. Nor am I going to complain about MD. They seem just fine to me (I'm not using them, so I might be wrong here). Could you please clarify how am I able to outrun flaylock's blast radius? What the hell does that even mean? You're talking about militia shotguns/scrambler pistols taking down heavies as if that somehow makes some kind of an argument. Sure, if you're a FPS god, and I'm completely incompetent at FPS games, you'll kill me with a toothpick. No militia shotgun needed. However, if all other things are equal, a medium suit using a freakin' sidearm shouldn't be able to regularly kill a heavy suit armed with a human-sized gatling gun supposedly designed for ripping apart infantry at close-mid range! My point is two-fold. First, flaylock is OP. I'm not saying it should be nerfed to oblivion, but it should be nerfed. Second, HMG is failing to fulfill a niche it's supposed to fulfill. Either give HMG more range and make it a medium-long range weapon, or buff it's short range DPS (which would probably initiate a new "HMG is OP" forum campaign). IMHO, a heavy suit isn't supposed to be a CQC brawler, and attempting to make it one is futile. It's just like trying to make logistics suits be good at killing infantry. Oh, wait... 5 5 shots on a heavy with over a 1000 hp = dead Heavy vrs shotgun to the face 3 times = dead I fail to see solidarity in your aurgument If shotguns hit detection actually worked everyone would cry op An because they don't I still fail to see your argument , everyone knew that uprising killed the heavy, people still chose heavy, never applied for optional respec after test driving for a month, WHO'S FAULT IS THAT? Still Fail to understand argument |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
451
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Posted - 2013.07.17 04:52:00 -
[73] - Quote
OZAROW wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:OZAROW wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit.
These weapons are ridiculous!
He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.
I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP Lol that's probably why he used those weapons, cuz you got mad from dying , started playing dumb out of anger an he finally decided to give you a fighting chance so he used a gun to give you a tad bit of pride then proceeded to waste you. Dude explosive weapons are your weakness your fat an slow- deal wit it. I run scout an knives you think I would even go near a guy running that on his fit? You should have picked a different side of the map! Plus heavies are a threat my knive take you out of the pack first, why? BECAUSE ITS A SMART STRATIGIC PLAY THAT'S WHY! You take the queen off the chess board as soon as you can, face it your a queen lol This is about the dumbest thing I have heard so far. I'm fat and slow yea? Deal with it huh? I DO! I keep my fat ass inside complexes in CQC areas where I can catch guys in a choke point. After all that's where a Heavy should shine right? I don't go venturing out into open areas where I can be picked off by ARs SRs SCRs HAVs ran down by LAVs or the whole slew of other traps seemingly designed to catch Heavies in this game! I guess you're right though I should go sit on top of a spire somewhere looking over the battle field like some majestic lord of war because as a heavy I am only here as a gimmick now right? Or maybe I should just sit at a completely uncontested objective the entire battle waiting to duel it out with the lone ninja scout who might MIGHT come to try and steal the objective. Sadly unless I happen to spot him at 40 m away he's likely to win that battle because heavies cant track for **** in CQC and everyone knows it. You act like a little child and smash your fist down on the chess board wrecking the game (flaylock user) because you have no strategical skills and nobody has fun playing the game! I would say that knowing your fat but is gonna stay in a cqc area, letting you trap yourself in a bottle neck because you assume I'm scared of that hmg, fluxing you, faylocking you, running away an flanking you a comming up behind you with full hp is strategy enough! That's your weakness of your decision of being a heavy for easy kill should I cry when theirs a weapon designed to beat you? Should you really make a big fuss now that you die easier? Sound like a girl much , dude everybody got a re spec in may some people got 2 an everyone knew faylock , plasma cannon an scrambler rifle were on their way so if you eagerly went right into heavy thinking it was gonna be like chromosonne an had no patience , never asked anyone if heavies were crap or just speced into it anyway, or never applied for second respec , the fact that you STILL chose heavy shows that your either dedicated even tho everyone knows their not what they used to be, means YOU CAN'T STILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR WEAKNESSES.! Or it shows that your cocky wanted easy kills an high scores, have a one track mind, fall for the same trik everytime an cry when things don't go your way! My class got nerfed too but I never complained till 1.2 but they ll fix it same as they will fix all the crap your crying about so quit posting your sounding weak minded an hasty
LOL gtfo boy! You have no clue what you are even talking about.
I specced Heavy with an HMG and a SMG because that is what I played in Chromosome. That is the style I like. I don't need to ask somebody else what weapon is OP or what Class is the most resilient before deciding what to spec into just so I can have the win button fitting.
Little girls wait to see what the latest greatest FOTM OP crap is before they decide what to spec into.
Little girls only care about their precious KDR.
I care about having fun while I play the game.
FOTM CoDbois care about ruining the game for everyone just to pad their stats so they can feel good about themselves until they get tired of the game and move on.
Half of what you just said doesn't even make sense. Do they even teach Grammar in middle school any more?
Sound like a CoD FOTM tryhard much? Dude the fact that you try to defend a weapon that nearly every player in the game considers to be OP shows that you are the cocky one wanting easy kills and high scores(flaylock), have a one track mind(flock to FOTM), fall for the same trick every time(wasted SP because FOTM got nerfed), and cry when thing don't go your way(wahhhh i want a respec because CCP nerfed an obviously OP weapon that I only liked because it was OP).
I'm 31 years old son don't step up thinking you can just talk to me like I'm some little punkass kid who don't know what it is!
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
451
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Posted - 2013.07.17 04:58:00 -
[74] - Quote
OZAROW wrote:George Moros wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Now what's next? After they nerf the flay lock and mess it up like they did to the masses driver are you going to complain about shot guns and scrambler pistol are op? seriously i csn even own a heavy with just that. I can even use a milita shotgun to take down a heavy. Stop moving in obvious patterns. The gun has only a 1.5 blast radius, you can outrun that easily. A heavy just has to throw nades ans spam the heck out of the attacker. The flay can't kill a heavy in 3 shots and rarely 4. So just shoot him down. I sometimes use my dren heavy which is the same as a std heavy, and I take out flaylockers like nothing.
No, I'm not going to complain about a shotgun being able to take down a heavy. If a shotgunner manages to get in close to a heavy, he should be able to rip him apart. Nor am I going to complain about MD. They seem just fine to me (I'm not using them, so I might be wrong here). Could you please clarify how am I able to outrun flaylock's blast radius? What the hell does that even mean? You're talking about militia shotguns/scrambler pistols taking down heavies as if that somehow makes some kind of an argument. Sure, if you're a FPS god, and I'm completely incompetent at FPS games, you'll kill me with a toothpick. No militia shotgun needed. However, if all other things are equal, a medium suit using a freakin' sidearm shouldn't be able to regularly kill a heavy suit armed with a human-sized gatling gun supposedly designed for ripping apart infantry at close-mid range! My point is two-fold. First, flaylock is OP. I'm not saying it should be nerfed to oblivion, but it should be nerfed. Second, HMG is failing to fulfill a niche it's supposed to fulfill. Either give HMG more range and make it a medium-long range weapon, or buff it's short range DPS (which would probably initiate a new "HMG is OP" forum campaign). IMHO, a heavy suit isn't supposed to be a CQC brawler, and attempting to make it one is futile. It's just like trying to make logistics suits be good at killing infantry. Oh, wait... 5 5 shots on a heavy with over a 1000 hp = dead Heavy vrs shotgun to the face 3 times = dead I fail to see solidarity in your aurgument If shotguns hit detection actually worked everyone would cry op An because they don't I still fail to see your argument , everyone knew that uprising killed the heavy, people still chose heavy, never applied for optional respec after test driving for a month, WHO'S FAULT IS THAT? Still Fail to understand argument
If you get me with a Shotgun you worked for that kill! I used a shotgun Scout in Chromosome I know exactly how much skill it takes. Spamming Flaylock at the ground around your target takes ZERO skill.
Nobody knew that what was going to happen to the Heavy suit in Uprising until Uprising launched. Where do you get this information from boy?
People chose Heavy because that is what they liked to play, not because they expected it to be OP as hell.
You know, not everyone just saves SP to flock to whatever FOTM loadout everyone else happens to use. Some people simple play the game for fun, not to grief noobs in pubs and pad their stats.
If you are good, and you play to have fun your stats would be good without having to resort to relying on obviously OP weapons to make them that way. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
191
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:10:00 -
[75] - Quote
Lol I'm older than you son! The fact that you never took into consideration that heavies may have changed or these new weapons could be op is YOUR FAULT! Everyone seen it coming before it even hit the game ,IT'S A FRIGGING HAND HELD ROCKET LAUNCHER DID YOU REALLY ASSUME IT WASN'T GONNA BE OP WHEN THERE WAS YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF BODIES FLYING? Man ur slow! Really it took you two months to notice its op? I'm not saying it isn't but hell if you still spec into the slowest fit in the game, an it took you till now to actually make a argument makes your logic a bit obtuse . Btw don't worry about grammar typing on a iPhone means the cursor lags screws up words an doesn't work on paragraph indentations even if I start a new paragraph with the space bar, but the fact that you CLUTCHED THAT STRAW, proves you got nothing an you know it. I been around here just as long as you an I've seen everything from ar, to re, to lasers , Md an shottys being op an everyone knows ccp does this then fixes it , so this entire argument makes you look weak Because YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS HAPPENS IN THIS GAME DEAL WIT IT AN FRIGGEN MAN UP TILL THEY FIX IT SUCK! |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
452
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:43:00 -
[76] - Quote
OZAROW wrote:Lol I'm older than you son! The fact that you never took into consideration that heavies may have changed or these new weapons could be op is YOUR FAULT! Everyone seen it coming before it even hit the game ,IT'S A FRIGGING HAND HELD ROCKET LAUNCHER DID YOU REALLY ASSUME IT WASN'T GONNA BE OP WHEN THERE WAS YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF BODIES FLYING? Man ur slow! Really it took you two months to notice its op? I'm not saying it isn't but hell if you still spec into the slowest fit in the game, an it took you till now to actually make a argument makes your logic a bit obtuse . Btw don't worry about grammar typing on a iPhone means the cursor lags screws up words an doesn't work on paragraph indentations even if I start a new paragraph with the space bar, but the fact that you CLUTCHED THAT STRAW, proves you got nothing an you know it. I been around here just as long as you an I've seen everything from ar, to re, to lasers , Md an shottys being op an everyone knows ccp does this then fixes it , so this entire argument makes you look weak Because YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS HAPPENS IN THIS GAME DEAL WIT IT AN FRIGGEN MAN UP TILL THEY FIX IT SUCK!
Whats with all the caps homie? You seem like you might be about to have an aneurysm or something. Calm down.
Yea I did figure the weapon would be OP. So what then? I should have specced into it just because it was OP. Even if I didn't see myself liking the function of the weapon?
Did it take me two months to notice it was OP no! It took two months for all the FOTM users to accumulate enough SP to properly spec into the damn thing and begin running squads using almost nothing else.
I never thought any specialty weapon in this game was OP except the Viziam (which it was, but was nerfed too hard) and now the Flaylock (everyone knows it is).
Why are you getting all butthurt over me pointing out a particular case where someone went 52/2 with the Flaylock and contact grenades unless you are obviously one of the tryhards using this easy win FOTM crap. Why are you arguing
If you don't want to hear what I have to say then why are you in my post?
How do I have no argument, when you just admitted yourself that the Flaylock is OP after all the time you spent defending it? I specced into Heavy before the flaylock was even added to the game.
Is it my fault that when all of the tryhards got the respec they cried for so hard on the forms that they all specced into a weapon that everyone knew is OP, now everyone is running around pubstomping with it two months later? Didn't think so!
I did take into consideration that Heavies may have changed. I even went and looked at the heavy suits in the Market before I specced into Heavy weapons or dropsuits. Did it alter the fact that this is my favorite playstyle? No! Did it change my mind about speccing into what would be fun for me to play not because it was or is OP, but because it is the style I like? No!
I do just fine even with all of the explosive spam that has been happening lately. I deal with it. HTFU and all that other New Eden Adapt or Die business. The point is that when tryhards get together and spam the game with the FOTM OP gear, nobody has fun. I doubt even the tryhards have fun. They are only playing to pad stats instead of to have fun playing as a class and using a weapon which suits their gaming tastes. |
Arcturis Vanguard
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
48
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:07:00 -
[77] - Quote
Draco Cerberus wrote:... Resistance Modules to increase damage type resistance to specific types of damage. This is taken straight from Eve and has a very real presence in new eden already for many mission runners. The wide variety of fits mean that there would not be an op button fix with these as generally they are damage type specific resistance and so would allow other damage types that were not that specific type to deal damage as if the resistance plates or shielding were not there. Please note an Adaptive Invulnerability field in Eve grants multiple resistance types at a lesser amount than the specific resistance modules. We would need both Shield and Armor resistance modules...
These resistance modules should only be implemented for armor tanking classes first before anything is put out for shields. Shields tankers out class armor and I would hate to see a caldari logo running around with even more resistance. Unless modules are high slots which would force shield tankers to sacrifice extenders.
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OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
191
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:32:00 -
[78] - Quote
I agree yet personally I could care less too, if I get a game where dummy is running around shooting at my feet what am I gonna do die or whip one out too? Dude honestly I love all this nerd the faylock crap, mines at level 3 proficiency an I could care less if it's gets pulled from the game an I lose all the sp I put into it, why? Because I run a low CPU pg nerfed scout with knives that may one day be as usefull as it was but even with my skills really high I can barely fit a gun unless I use a faylock or run 270 total hp. But to get back to my point I run it because I finally can kill every jerk that ran every op weapon in the game an killed me with those for months! So for me it's payback time till they break the gun, honesty my knives are broke, md sorta broke, sg broke, scout endurance broke, all the sp dumped into a scout I could be one serious cal logi wit 14 million sp but I did what you did I played what I wanted but never expected ccp to wreak my suit an all the weapons I have proficiency in an mind you I just got a ar after playing for 6 month s because I used it to defend against the faylick an even got a assault suit during 3x sp week because that was expand your deffences week. I kno that guns broke everyone does but I planned against it, I prepared for it because I seen it coming, am I gonna cry bout it ? Hell no I'm taking full friggen advantage this time after every dummy with a tac Owned my a$$ for months, like I said bro this is no remorse payback! They will beat that gun into the cemetery but till they do it's a nova knife users best friend an I'm not gonna be upset when my sp spent on it is gone because to watch people cry everyday now that they kno how it feels is priceless and 100% worth it. Those are the breaks of war, stratigic preparation and the ability of foresight an I have no mercy or sympathy for those that ran tougher suits with 4x the hp mine has crying because they got flung into the air, it's happened to me since February so this time I was ready an for a 10 isk advanced gun that acts as the side arm to my knives an buys me some getaway time, I couldn't go wrong buy using it. An that's why I stand where I stand I could care about everyone else's reasoning but that's mine whether or not people like it or not. For my position an sp it was a tactical advantage for the range , CPU pg, cost an effectiveness . So think what you want about me but I seen it coming an I was prepared to fight fire with fire |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
191
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:44:00 -
[79] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:OZAROW wrote:Lol I'm older than you son! The fact that you never took into consideration that heavies may have changed or these new weapons could be op is YOUR FAULT! Everyone seen it coming before it even hit the game ,IT'S A FRIGGING HAND HELD ROCKET LAUNCHER DID YOU REALLY ASSUME IT WASN'T GONNA BE OP WHEN THERE WAS YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF BODIES FLYING? Man ur slow! Really it took you two months to notice its op? I'm not saying it isn't but hell if you still spec into the slowest fit in the game, an it took you till now to actually make a argument makes your logic a bit obtuse . Btw don't worry about grammar typing on a iPhone means the cursor lags screws up words an doesn't work on paragraph indentations even if I start a new paragraph with the space bar, but the fact that you CLUTCHED THAT STRAW, proves you got nothing an you know it. I been around here just as long as you an I've seen everything from ar, to re, to lasers , Md an shottys being op an everyone knows ccp does this then fixes it , so this entire argument makes you look weak Because YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS HAPPENS IN THIS GAME DEAL WIT IT AN FRIGGEN MAN UP TILL THEY FIX IT SUCK! Whats with all the caps homie? You seem like you might be about to have an aneurysm or something. Calm down. Yea I did figure the weapon would be OP. So what then? I should have specced into it just because it was OP. Even if I didn't see myself liking the function of the weapon? Did it take me two months to notice it was OP no! It took two months for all the FOTM users to accumulate enough SP to properly spec into the damn thing and begin running squads using almost nothing else. I never thought any specialty weapon in this game was OP except the Viziam (which it was, but was nerfed too hard) and now the Flaylock (everyone knows it is). Why are you getting all butthurt over me pointing out a particular case where someone went 52/2 with the Flaylock and contact grenades unless you are obviously one of the tryhards using this easy win FOTM crap. Why are you arguing If you don't want to hear what I have to say then why are you in my post? How do I have no argument, when you just admitted yourself that the Flaylock is OP after all the time you spent defending it? I specced into Heavy before the flaylock was even added to the game. Is it my fault that when all of the tryhards got the respec they cried for so hard on the forms that they all specced into a weapon that everyone knew is OP, now everyone is running around pubstomping with it two months later? Didn't think so! I did take into consideration that Heavies may have changed. I even went and looked at the heavy suits in the Market before I specced into Heavy weapons or dropsuits. Did it alter the fact that this is my favorite playstyle? No! Did it change my mind about speccing into what would be fun for me to play not because it was or is OP, but because it is the style I like? No! I do just fine even with all of the explosive spam that has been happening lately. I deal with it. HTFU and all that other New Eden Adapt or Die business. The point is that when tryhards get together and spam the game with the FOTM OP gear, nobody has fun. I doubt even the tryhards have fun. They are only playing to pad stats instead of to have fun playing as a class and using a weapon which suits their gaming tastes. I use CAPS as a way to highlight that sentence so nobody misses that part lol not yelling. Funny to me tho but no harm no foul |
WeapondigitX V7
Planetary Response Organization
32
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:04:00 -
[80] - Quote
thukker contact locus grenades and M1 cavity locus grenades are not OP.
the blast radius is small and throw speed of those grenades are slow enough to make it hard to hit a experienced player that is dodging bullets at ranges greater than 10m. thus a lot of skill and experience is needed to land a hit multiple times on a target aware that you are equipped with those grenades.
(fused locus grenade is a bit OP though and needs a nerf. same for Core flaylock pistol and aurum version of Core flaylock). |
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
454
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:15:00 -
[81] - Quote
OZAROW wrote:I agree yet personally I could care less too, if I get a game where dummy is running around shooting at my feet what am I gonna do die or whip one out too? Dude honestly I love all this nerd the faylock crap, mines at level 3 proficiency an I could care less if it's gets pulled from the game an I lose all the sp I put into it, why? Because I run a low CPU pg nerfed scout with knives that may one day be as usefull as it was but even with my skills really high I can barely fit a gun unless I use a faylock or run 270 total hp. But to get back to my point I run it because I finally can kill every jerk that ran every op weapon in the game an killed me with those for months! So for me it's payback time till they break the gun, honesty my knives are broke, md sorta broke, sg broke, scout endurance broke, all the sp dumped into a scout I could be one serious cal logi wit 14 million sp but I did what you did I played what I wanted but never expected ccp to wreak my suit an all the weapons I have proficiency in an mind you I just got a ar after playing for 6 month s because I used it to defend against the faylick an even got a assault suit during 3x sp week because that was expand your deffences week. I kno that guns broke everyone does but I planned against it, I prepared for it because I seen it coming, am I gonna cry bout it ? Hell no I'm taking full friggen advantage this time after every dummy with a tac Owned my a$$ for months, like I said bro this is no remorse payback! They will beat that gun into the cemetery but till they do it's a nova knife users best friend an I'm not gonna be upset when my sp spent on it is gone because to watch people cry everyday now that they kno how it feels is priceless and 100% worth it. Those are the breaks of war, stratigic preparation and the ability of foresight an I have no mercy or sympathy for those that ran tougher suits with 4x the hp mine has crying because they got flung into the air, it's happened to me since February so this time I was ready an for a 10 isk advanced gun that acts as the side arm to my knives an buys me some getaway time, I couldn't go wrong buy using it. An that's why I stand where I stand I could care about everyone else's reasoning but that's mine whether or not people like it or not. For my position an sp it was a tactical advantage for the range , CPU pg, cost an effectiveness . So think what you want about me but I seen it coming an I was prepared to fight fire with fire
I feel ya feelers on the scout thing bro. You guys certainly don't have it easy. I also seen it coming, which is why I built my heavy the way I did when I got my respec. Ill just say I moved away from being a slow ass armor tanker.
That still I also understand your motivation for using the thing, and cant really say I blame you for it. We are gonna have gallons of tears when this thing gets nerfed and rightly so. That should teach the tryhards a lesson to stop simply speccing into what they know to be OP and spec into what they actually like to use. Then they should be happy either way. CCP is good in that after they nerf something into the ground, they bring it back up slowly until it is where it should be.
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OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
191
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:54:00 -
[82] - Quote
True, ya basically the think I learned about this game is they ll let something ride for a while so don't crutch on it but be prepared to counter it. An ur right wit a low hp suit like mine you need everything you can fit on it an that's not much, but for now it's a good SUPRISE for the guy that thinks I'm easy. Ya bro biotics is where it's at |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
459
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:01:00 -
[83] - Quote
OZAROW wrote:it's a good SUPRISE for the guy that thinks I'm easy. Ya bro biotics is where it's at
Move along, nothing to see here folks! |
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