OwnD07 From BetaMax went 52/4 using almost exclusively Thukker Contact Grenades and a Core Flaylock Pistol. He was in a Proto Caldari ASSault Suit.

These weapons are ridiculous!

He is the ONLY person on his team that killed me the entire match. The second he pulled out an actual gun I destroyed him.

I run Amarr Heavy Frame A1-Series with a Boundless 1028 total HP

While I agree that the Flaylock pistols do seem overpowered I would like to propose that rather that kill a good for killing with gun we consider an addition of a few modules to help us deal with damage better if we can fit them rather than a nerf.

Resistance Modules to increase damage type resistance to specific types of damage. This is taken straight from Eve and has a very real presence in new eden already for many mission runners. The wide variety of fits mean that there would not be an op button fix with these as generally they are damage type specific resistance and so would allow other damage types that were not that specific type to deal damage as if the resistance plates or shielding were not there. Please note an Adaptive Invulnerability field in Eve grants multiple resistance types at a lesser amount than the specific resistance modules. We would need both Shield and Armor resistance modules.

Reflective plating could reflect laser and splash damage away from the user allowing the user to be hit for full damage from a direct hit by a mass driver, forge gun or flaylock and still be killed through direct damage yet the plash damage wouldn't touch the user and allow them to jump or walk out of the way without adverse affect.

Both of these types of modules should be able to be used simultaneously and without movement penalties. This would allow an armor tanker or shield tanker to put an Adaptive invulnerability field and Reflective plating on a suit to resist some damage while adding an armor plate or shield extender to increase their armor or shield HP respectively and make it harder to one shot kill enemies and making another way of protecting yourself in a way that doesn't make you a slower moving target.

At lvl 5 Shield and Armor Upgrades the Amarr Heavy Basic Frame has 1012 base HP

Core Flayloc does 214.5 HP Splash damage with no damage mods

214.5 x 4 = 858

I stand corrected, it takes 5 shots to take down a heavy. With the movement speed of Medium and Light classes it is very easy task to evade a Heavy's HMG by Strafing and Bunny Hopping while reloading. I rarely ever see anyone run for cover once I begin firing at them. The HMG Heavy is simply not feared like it should be. Which isn't surprising considering anyone with a GEK AR can out gun a Heavy with a Boundless

This is about the dumbest thing I have heard so far.

I'm fat and slow yea? Deal with it huh?

I DO! I keep my fat ass inside complexes in CQC areas where I can catch guys in a choke point. After all that's where a Heavy should shine right? I don't go venturing out into open areas where I can be picked off by ARs SRs SCRs HAVs ran down by LAVs or the whole slew of other traps seemingly designed to catch Heavies in this game!

I guess you're right though I should go sit on top of a spire somewhere looking over the battle field like some majestic lord of war because as a heavy I am only here as a gimmick now right?

Or maybe I should just sit at a completely uncontested objective the entire battle waiting to duel it out with the lone ninja scout who might MIGHT come to try and steal the objective. Sadly unless I happen to spot him at 40 m away he's likely to win that battle because heavies cant track for **** in CQC and everyone knows it.

You act like a little child and smash your fist down on the chess board wrecking the game (flaylock user) because you have no strategical skills and nobody has fun playing the game!

No, I'm not going to complain about a shotgun being able to take down a heavy. If a shotgunner manages to get in close to a heavy, he should be able to rip him apart. Nor am I going to complain about MD. They seem just fine to me (I'm not using them, so I might be wrong here).

Could you please clarify how am I able to outrun flaylock's blast radius? What the hell does that even mean? You're talking about militia shotguns/scrambler pistols taking down heavies as if that somehow makes some kind of an argument. Sure, if you're a FPS god, and I'm completely incompetent at FPS games, you'll kill me with a toothpick. No militia shotgun needed. However, if all other things are equal, a medium suit using a freakin' sidearm shouldn't be able to regularly kill a heavy suit armed with a human-sized gatling gun supposedly designed for ripping apart infantry at close-mid range!

My point is two-fold. First, flaylock is OP. I'm not saying it should be nerfed to oblivion, but it should be nerfed. Second, HMG is failing to fulfill a niche it's supposed to fulfill. Either give HMG more range and make it a medium-long range weapon, or buff it's short range DPS (which would probably initiate a new "HMG is OP" forum campaign). IMHO, a heavy suit isn't supposed to be a CQC brawler, and attempting to make it one is futile. It's just like trying to make logistics suits be good at killing infantry. Oh, wait...

Whats with all the caps homie? You seem like you might be about to have an aneurysm or something. Calm down.

Yea I did figure the weapon would be OP. So what then? I should have specced into it just because it was OP. Even if I didn't see myself liking the function of the weapon?

Did it take me two months to notice it was OP no! It took two months for all the FOTM users to accumulate enough SP to properly spec into the damn thing and begin running squads using almost nothing else.

I never thought any specialty weapon in this game was OP except the Viziam (which it was, but was nerfed too hard) and now the Flaylock (everyone knows it is).

Why are you getting all butthurt over me pointing out a particular case where someone went 52/2 with the Flaylock and contact grenades unless you are obviously one of the tryhards using this easy win FOTM crap. Why are you arguing

If you don't want to hear what I have to say then why are you in my post?

How do I have no argument, when you just admitted yourself that the Flaylock is OP after all the time you spent defending it? I specced into Heavy before the flaylock was even added to the game.

Is it my fault that when all of the tryhards got the respec they cried for so hard on the forms that they all specced into a weapon that everyone knew is OP, now everyone is running around pubstomping with it two months later? Didn't think so!

I did take into consideration that Heavies may have changed. I even went and looked at the heavy suits in the Market before I specced into Heavy weapons or dropsuits. Did it alter the fact that this is my favorite playstyle? No! Did it change my mind about speccing into what would be fun for me to play not because it was or is OP, but because it is the style I like? No!

I do just fine even with all of the explosive spam that has been happening lately. I deal with it. HTFU and all that other New Eden Adapt or Die business. The point is that when tryhards get together and spam the game with the FOTM OP gear, nobody has fun. I doubt even the tryhards have fun. They are only playing to pad stats instead of to have fun playing as a class and using a weapon which suits their gaming tastes.