people need to use strategy when facing different weapons if a flaylock user shoots at your feet hop around and shoot don't stand there like an idiot then complain on the forums

Show me a Heavy who can hop around to avoid 2.5 m blast radius on both sides of him

I have an alt with 5 million SP that I went straight into the core flay lock with. That char can be more fun than my 13.5 million SP main because with that gun he's a 1 man army. With a cheap as hell suit he can take out two proto suits solo, at the same time. Then to top it all off, the ragemails are hilarious. It's even more OP than the tac ar was. At least with the tac you had to have some aiming skill, this thing you just point in someone's general direction and they die. It *is* fun to use, but really bad for the game. If you're trying to be competitive there aren't many compelling reasons to use anything else.

While I agree that the Flaylock pistols do seem overpowered I would like to propose that rather that kill a good for killing with gun we consider an addition of a few modules to help us deal with damage better if we can fit them rather than a nerf.

Resistance Modules to increase damage type resistance to specific types of damage. This is taken straight from Eve and has a very real presence in new eden already for many mission runners. The wide variety of fits mean that there would not be an op button fix with these as generally they are damage type specific resistance and so would allow other damage types that were not that specific type to deal damage as if the resistance plates or shielding were not there. Please note an Adaptive Invulnerability field in Eve grants multiple resistance types at a lesser amount than the specific resistance modules. We would need both Shield and Armor resistance modules.

Reflective plating could reflect laser and splash damage away from the user allowing the user to be hit for full damage from a direct hit by a mass driver, forge gun or flaylock and still be killed through direct damage yet the plash damage wouldn't touch the user and allow them to jump or walk out of the way without adverse affect.

Both of these types of modules should be able to be used simultaneously and without movement penalties. This would allow an armor tanker or shield tanker to put an Adaptive invulnerability field and Reflective plating on a suit to resist some damage while adding an armor plate or shield extender to increase their armor or shield HP respectively and make it harder to one shot kill enemies and making another way of protecting yourself in a way that doesn't make you a slower moving target.

At lvl 5 Shield and Armor Upgrades the Amarr Heavy Basic Frame has 1012 base HP

Core Flayloc does 214.5 HP Splash damage with no damage mods

214.5 x 4 = 858

I stand corrected, it takes 5 shots to take down a heavy. With the movement speed of Medium and Light classes it is very easy task to evade a Heavy's HMG by Strafing and Bunny Hopping while reloading. I rarely ever see anyone run for cover once I begin firing at them. The HMG Heavy is simply not feared like it should be. Which isn't surprising considering anyone with a GEK AR can out gun a Heavy with a Boundless

My knives will take you out in one shot you saying my 250 hp, speed, an crappy hit detection knives a op?
Heavies Arent unbeatable if that's why you spec into them to go 32/0 an a guy finds a weapon that exposes your weaknesses I say no pity here

This would be fine, but with the current state of dropsuits, the Medium Class Suits would be the only suits capable of equipping them without a huge sacrifice unequal to the benefit gained by the resistance.

Light Frames and Scouts simply do not have the total HP to make them worth while.

Heavy Frames, Commandos, and Sentinels do not have enough slots to be able to equip them without a major sacrifice to tank. The Heavy Class Really needs to be given some TLC from CCP.

Regardless of any damage negation options, the Flaylock is still overpowered. It has nearly the same splash damage as a Proto Breach FG with a lot more blast radius. Considering the Flaylock is a sidearm and the FG is a heavy weapon, this is undeniably and ridiculously unbalanced.

This is about the dumbest thing I have heard so far.

I'm fat and slow yea? Deal with it huh?

I DO! I keep my fat ass inside complexes in CQC areas where I can catch guys in a choke point. After all that's where a Heavy should shine right? I don't go venturing out into open areas where I can be picked off by ARs SRs SCRs HAVs ran down by LAVs or the whole slew of other traps seemingly designed to catch Heavies in this game!

I guess you're right though I should go sit on top of a spire somewhere looking over the battle field like some majestic lord of war because as a heavy I am only here as a gimmick now right?

Or maybe I should just sit at a completely uncontested objective the entire battle waiting to duel it out with the lone ninja scout who might MIGHT come to try and steal the objective. Sadly unless I happen to spot him at 40 m away he's likely to win that battle because heavies cant track for **** in CQC and everyone knows it.

You act like a little child and smash your fist down on the chess board wrecking the game (flaylock user) because you have no strategical skills and nobody has fun playing the game!

No, I'm not going to complain about a shotgun being able to take down a heavy. If a shotgunner manages to get in close to a heavy, he should be able to rip him apart. Nor am I going to complain about MD. They seem just fine to me (I'm not using them, so I might be wrong here).

Could you please clarify how am I able to outrun flaylock's blast radius? What the hell does that even mean? You're talking about militia shotguns/scrambler pistols taking down heavies as if that somehow makes some kind of an argument. Sure, if you're a FPS god, and I'm completely incompetent at FPS games, you'll kill me with a toothpick. No militia shotgun needed. However, if all other things are equal, a medium suit using a freakin' sidearm shouldn't be able to regularly kill a heavy suit armed with a human-sized gatling gun supposedly designed for ripping apart infantry at close-mid range!

My point is two-fold. First, flaylock is OP. I'm not saying it should be nerfed to oblivion, but it should be nerfed. Second, HMG is failing to fulfill a niche it's supposed to fulfill. Either give HMG more range and make it a medium-long range weapon, or buff it's short range DPS (which would probably initiate a new "HMG is OP" forum campaign). IMHO, a heavy suit isn't supposed to be a CQC brawler, and attempting to make it one is futile. It's just like trying to make logistics suits be good at killing infantry. Oh, wait...

I would say that knowing your fat but is gonna stay in a cqc area, letting you trap yourself in a bottle neck because you assume I'm scared of that hmg, fluxing you, faylocking you, running away an flanking you a comming up behind you with full hp is strategy enough!
That's your weakness of your decision of being a heavy for easy kill should I cry when theirs a weapon designed to beat you?
Should you really make a big fuss now that you die easier?
Sound like a girl much , dude everybody got a re spec in may some people got 2 an everyone knew faylock , plasma cannon an scrambler rifle were on their way so if you eagerly went right into heavy thinking it was gonna be like chromosonne an had no patience , never asked anyone if heavies were crap or just speced into it anyway, or never applied for second respec , the fact that you STILL chose heavy shows that your either dedicated even tho everyone knows their not what they used to be, means YOU CAN'T STILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR WEAKNESSES.!
Or it shows that your cocky wanted easy kills an high scores, have a one track mind, fall for the same trik everytime an cry when things don't go your way!
My class got nerfed too but I never complained till 1.2 but they ll fix it same as they will fix all the crap your crying about so quit posting your sounding weak minded an hasty

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5 shots on a heavy with over a 1000 hp = dead
Heavy vrs shotgun to the face 3 times = dead
I fail to see solidarity in your aurgument
If shotguns hit detection actually worked everyone would cry op
An because they don't I still fail to see your argument , everyone knew that uprising killed the heavy, people still chose heavy, never applied for optional respec after test driving for a month, WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?
Still
Fail to understand argument

Lol I'm older than you son! The fact that you never took into consideration that heavies may have changed or these new weapons could be op is YOUR FAULT!
Everyone seen it coming before it even hit the game ,IT'S A FRIGGING HAND HELD ROCKET LAUNCHER DID YOU REALLY ASSUME IT WASN'T GONNA BE OP WHEN THERE WAS YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF BODIES FLYING?
Man ur slow! Really it took you two months to notice its op? I'm not saying it isn't but hell if you still spec into the slowest fit in the game, an it took you till now to actually make a argument makes your logic a bit obtuse .
Btw don't worry about grammar typing on a iPhone means the cursor lags screws up words an doesn't work on paragraph indentations even if I start a new paragraph with the space bar, but the fact that you CLUTCHED THAT STRAW, proves you got nothing an you know it.
I been around here just as long as you an I've seen everything from ar, to re, to lasers , Md an shottys being op an everyone knows ccp does this then fixes it , so this entire argument makes you look weak
Because YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS HAPPENS IN THIS GAME DEAL WIT IT AN FRIGGEN MAN UP TILL THEY FIX IT SUCK!

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Resistance Modules to increase damage type resistance to specific types of damage. This is taken straight from Eve and has a very real presence in new eden already for many mission runners. The wide variety of fits mean that there would not be an op button fix with these as generally they are damage type specific resistance and so would allow other damage types that were not that specific type to deal damage as if the resistance plates or shielding were not there. Please note an Adaptive Invulnerability field in Eve grants multiple resistance types at a lesser amount than the specific resistance modules. We would need both Shield and Armor resistance modules...

Whats with all the caps homie? You seem like you might be about to have an aneurysm or something. Calm down.

Yea I did figure the weapon would be OP. So what then? I should have specced into it just because it was OP. Even if I didn't see myself liking the function of the weapon?

Did it take me two months to notice it was OP no! It took two months for all the FOTM users to accumulate enough SP to properly spec into the damn thing and begin running squads using almost nothing else.

I never thought any specialty weapon in this game was OP except the Viziam (which it was, but was nerfed too hard) and now the Flaylock (everyone knows it is).

Why are you getting all butthurt over me pointing out a particular case where someone went 52/2 with the Flaylock and contact grenades unless you are obviously one of the tryhards using this easy win FOTM crap. Why are you arguing

If you don't want to hear what I have to say then why are you in my post?

How do I have no argument, when you just admitted yourself that the Flaylock is OP after all the time you spent defending it? I specced into Heavy before the flaylock was even added to the game.

Is it my fault that when all of the tryhards got the respec they cried for so hard on the forms that they all specced into a weapon that everyone knew is OP, now everyone is running around pubstomping with it two months later? Didn't think so!

I did take into consideration that Heavies may have changed. I even went and looked at the heavy suits in the Market before I specced into Heavy weapons or dropsuits. Did it alter the fact that this is my favorite playstyle? No! Did it change my mind about speccing into what would be fun for me to play not because it was or is OP, but because it is the style I like? No!

I do just fine even with all of the explosive spam that has been happening lately. I deal with it. HTFU and all that other New Eden Adapt or Die business. The point is that when tryhards get together and spam the game with the FOTM OP gear, nobody has fun. I doubt even the tryhards have fun. They are only playing to pad stats instead of to have fun playing as a class and using a weapon which suits their gaming tastes.

I agree yet personally I could care less too, if I get a game where dummy is running around shooting at my feet what am I gonna do die or whip one out too?
Dude honestly I love all this nerd the faylock crap, mines at level 3 proficiency an I could care less if it's gets pulled from the game an I lose all the sp I put into it, why?
Because I run a low CPU pg nerfed scout with knives that may one day be as usefull as it was but even with my skills really high I can barely fit a gun unless I use a faylock or run 270 total hp.
But to get back to my point I run it because I finally can kill every jerk that ran every op weapon in the game an killed me with those for months!
So for me it's payback time till they break the gun, honesty my knives are broke, md sorta broke, sg broke, scout endurance broke, all the sp dumped into a scout I could be one serious cal logi wit 14 million sp but I did what you did I played what I wanted but never expected ccp to wreak my suit an all the weapons I have proficiency in an mind you I just got a ar after playing for 6 month s because I used it to defend against the faylick an even got a assault suit during 3x sp week because that was expand your deffences week.
I kno that guns broke everyone does but I planned against it, I prepared for it because I seen it coming, am I gonna cry bout it ?
Hell no I'm taking full friggen advantage this time after every dummy with a tac Owned my a$$ for months, like I said bro this is no remorse payback!
They will beat that gun into the cemetery but till they do it's a nova knife users best friend an I'm not gonna be upset when my sp spent on it is gone because to watch people cry everyday now that they kno how it feels is priceless and 100% worth it.
Those are the breaks of war, stratigic preparation and the ability of foresight an I have no mercy or sympathy for those that ran tougher suits with 4x the hp mine has crying because they got flung into the air, it's happened to me since February so this time I was ready an for a 10 isk advanced gun that acts as the side arm to my knives an buys me some getaway time, I couldn't go wrong buy using it.
An that's why I stand where I stand I could care about everyone else's reasoning but that's mine whether or not people like it or not.
For my position an sp it was a tactical advantage for the range , CPU pg, cost an effectiveness .
So think what you want about me but I seen it coming an I was prepared to fight fire with fire

it's a good SUPRISE for the guy that thinks I'm easy.
Ya bro biotics is where it's at