Skillback Booster (3 days) - Fits into Passive Booster slot. Returns ~300,000 sp and only one skill can have it on at a time, as long as there are no skills that depend on it. You can't use the skill and lose it's bonuses once its active. If the booster timer expires before the skill points are returned, you lose all remaining skill points for that skill. Passive SP gains are disabled while this booster is active.

[SUGGESTION] Skillback booster
Update: An intriguing idea that the dev team will discuss further.

Two things I noticed about those not supporting respecs

1. Played since at least beginning of open beta where they got the chance to make their mistakes and then were given two respecs upon release of Uprising to fix them.

2. All of the dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles they want are already in the game.

Two things I noticed about those not supporting respecs

1. Played since at least beginning of open beta where they got the chance to make their mistakes and then were given two respecs upon release of Uprising to fix them.

2. All of the dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles they want are already in the game.

3. Because EVE doesn't let you.

4. Your choices matter.

I've argued this plenty, I don't really give a flying **** about anything related to this game right now, sooo, have at it, oh forum warriors of righteous whine.

1. That's because CCP made some major screwups with the skill system and were forced to give one more final respec.

2. Not sure you're trolling here. But last I checked even the anti-respec folks acknowledge the lack of dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles.

1. Though that may be, it doesn't reflect the countless others who were not effected by any changes in the skill tree and still were given the opportunity to take advantage of a respec and now wave the "anti-respec" flag.

2. Not trolling. What do you say happens for the people who want to use the Combat Rifle, Gallente Heavy, or Amarr Dropship and have no option to? Are they supposed to just sit on their SP until who knows when?

@Dust Fiend
@Orin Issa

I don't want this thread to go out of control here. This thread is meant to point out what I have observed over the 12 months about pro-respec folks. I have also been kind enough to show alternatives that could appease the camp I referenced.

1. Though that may be, it doesn't reflect the countless others who were not effected by any changes in the skill tree and still were given the opportunity to take advantage of a respec and now wave the "anti-respec" flag.

2. Not trolling. What do you say happens for the people who want to use the Combat Rifle, Gallente Heavy, or Amarr Dropship and have no option to? Are they supposed to just sit on their SP until who knows when?

I am not taking anything out of hand, I am merely wishing to constructively argue. Your alternatives are not that great, however. The skill-back thing I never understood, why would anyone want to buy something to wait for a skill to partially respec while losing out on passive SP? The amount of wasted SP you are paying for with Aurum makes little sense.

As for your second point, I do not believe the majority of people asking for a respec feel that way. Sure there are some who want frequent respecs so they can keep trying out whatever they want, but they are in the minority. I am fairly confident that most people regardless of their position on respecs agree that your decisions should have long term consequences.

My counter suggestions would be to give all new players a one time offer for a respec that they can cash in whenever they want, and perhaps impose a limit whether it be a time frame from your character's creation date or an certain amount of lifetime SP in which you forfeit your one time offer. Also provide a respec for those who have skills into racial variants of newly released core content (core content being basic dropsuit frames, basic weapon archetypes, and vehicles).

Over the course of 12 calendar months I have been observing the folks around here on the forums to see why so many of them have posted constant requests for an optional respec system. During that time I have noticed that there are two sides of these supporters.

First Side: Misplaced SP

This is a very common one, but not as common as the other one. These people say that they have misspent their available SP into skills that didn't work out for them and thus feel that they should be allowed to rearrange the few SP they misplaced into other skills they are interested in. The opponents of this would say that choices need to have meaning and that requires accepting permanent consequences of those choices whether you failed to do your research or not. I am among those who against respeccing over the excuse of missplaced SP mainly because we are operating under the rules of New Eden that have been established for ten years already.

However, there is one compromise I found in regards to this. I thought about it and figured this may be a proper solution.

Source:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86041&find=unread



I find this to be completely fair and something that will suit those who misplaced their SP. Please note that this is not a typical respec primarily because it is slowly pulling away SP from a skill book and you are forced to lose precious time that you would have used gaining the passive SP. It also increases the risk of potentially losing some of the SP you already gain if you misuse it. The discussion is still going on. In addition to that, CCP Cmdr Wang noted that this is being looking into.

Source:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1009985#post1009985



Second Side: Respecs Make It More Fun

This is the most common excuse we see. To be honest with you, this will just make the game more boring much quicker in a game that is suppose to take 7-10 years to max out. Besides, there are better alternatives to this if these people are looking for more fun. Some of the alternatives can be implemented now or within the next 2 months (considering 1.3 is content locked).

1. Better Matchmaking.
2. District owners to change the layout of the structures and installations of their districts for PC battles.
3. Trade window of sorts since we already have ISK transfers.
4. Bringing back Skirmish 1.0 - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=89032
5. Fighters and hover bikes.
6. The cloaking equipment module. This is mentioned in the Dev Blogs.
7. The bubble shield equipment module. This is mentioned in the Dev Blogs.
8. More racial variant suits, vehicles, and weapons.
9. Ability to commingle with other mercs without having to go into battle.
10. Better tutorials.
11. Basic frame suits with some minor bonuses so they won't be so useless.
12. Some basic form of PVE against rogue drones.
13. Remove the entire red zone that covers the entire terrain during factional warfare or during PC battles but keep the red zone for public matches.
14. Fix hit detection and aiming.
15. Resolve the issues of the constant disconnects.

These and more can do more than enough give players more content, more fun, and will likely help retain more players introduced to Dust 514. As you can see, the respec is not the end-all-be-all of game development. Halo doesn't have a respec system and that game is doing just fine because of the content alone.

In conclusion, there are better alternatives to those in both side of the pro-respec camp.

Neural Remaps.

Eve Online has a Neural Ramp system in place. It doesn't directly affect SP but it does affect how much SP becomes needed to train a skill book over time. This is done by giving each skill book at least two of the five attributes: willpower, perception, charisma, intelligence, and memory. Each player is given a set amount of attribute points per attribute.

Every year, an Eve player is given a chance to rearrange their attribute points to whichever attribute that they like. The more points given to willpower and perception will mean that skill books that share those attributes will require less skill books to train up. However, this also means that less points in intelligence, charisma, and memory will result in all other skill books that share those attributes to take much longer to train up. It's a trade off. Every choice must have a consequence.

I think we need 1 respec/year

I was once in the no-respecc side, till the commando come out.

I like the new suit, but after CCP drop it to the game i found that the suit need a particular set up, different from other suit.
So now im stuck with a Half commando.
yeah i have my Proto Amarr Logi ready to fight and have a better KDR with it, but i have more fun with the commando suit.

If we all have a "1 at year respec" people won't simply go to the FOTM but change when something fun for them come out.
For me, it's a good thing. More variety in the game.

Maken Tosch, I can't take much you say about respecs seriously considering you're dog in the hunt is you quitting both Dust and Eve Online and/or you trying to organize more Jita Riots.

I'm not in the mood to get into a heated discussion with you and I don't want this thread to get out of hand because of it. If you want to talk about my stance on the issue, do that elsewhere. Not here.

I'm not in the mood to get into a heated discussion with you and I don't want this thread to get out of hand because of it. If you want to talk about my stance on the issue, do that elsewhere. Not here.

I'm not in the mood to get into a heated discussion with you and I don't want this thread to get out of hand because of it. If you want to talk about my stance on the issue, do that elsewhere. Not here.

Players have a right to know your stake in respecs.

What is your stance on allowing respecs after the racial scouts, heavies, and vehicles are released?

Why can't we question you about your stance in all this respec-thing?

Players have a right to know your stake in respecs.

Fair enough.

I also summed #3 why there should be another respec.

CCP's word isn't worth much for DUST514 lately isn't? AAA Shooter? lol .... it's only a fool that thinks they should keep their word on the respecs.

No you don't. Not unless I'm running for the CPM or the CSM which I can't imagine myself doing... ever. I was just being nice enough to tell you my stake in this.

Overall, I look at it from an economic and data-gathering standpoint which are the principle reasons why I am mostly against respecs. Besides, I already explained in detail why I am against respecs in general. I am not obligated to repeat myself over and over again especially since you all have the search function available for you.

Or in other words: they should have taken their time to test a good SP-system (and the rest of the basics) before "releasing" the game.

When you could be motivated in part by not wanting to confront the internal moral conflict that respecs being introduced to the would induce, there exists a reasonable prospect that you have a conflict of interest in regards to respecs. That's what I feel players have a right now along with your opinions on respecs.

On more then one occasion you cited you'll quit both games if respec are introduced. That's a clear potential for you to have a personal stake in there no being respecs, considering how by your own admission you've played Eve Online for 10 years, and therefore has a great deal to lose from quitting.

If I had to hazard a guess I'd say Dust's development reached a point that it needed to be "released" in attempt to increase revenue potential so development could continue.

If that would be true then I hope they have learned a lesson from it...it makes sense with all the AUR-packages...aaaah we'll never know for sure.

On more then one occasion you cited you'll quit both games if respec are introduced. That's a clear potential for you to have a personal stake in there no being respecs, considering how by your own admission you've played Eve Online for 10 years, and therefore has a great deal to lose from quitting.

There's a distinct possibility of me doing the same, should this happen eve side or in other ways than skillback boosters or strictly limited for racial symmetry purposes dust side (search for the term and my name to get what i mean).

The reason is not blind vengeance for CCP not doing as i wish but because the SP system is one of the most important reasons why i play both games and a hallmark of New Eden. If this is gone, i might be gone as well. Simple as that.

Racial symmetry is something I can see as a valid excuse but only core suits like Amarr Heavy, Amarr Assault, Amarr Logi and Amarr Scout. I would not support respecs just because Amarr Covert Ops just came out soon after.

Two things I noticed about those not supporting respecs

1. Played since at least beginning of open beta where they got the chance to make their mistakes and then were given two respecs upon release of Uprising to fix them.

2. All of the dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles they want are already in the game.

I feel like people completely ignore the other side of the pro-respec crowd. The people who only want to use their respecs for the current Flavor of the Month. I highly doubt they are as few as people say they are and I'm convinces that's the major reason people want respecs.

I'd say anything that gets a racial variant allows a relocation of already spent SP from one variant to another, one time per char and limited only to the specific skills and their prerequisites.

Future generations of players won't care about what we'd view as "core" today so i can't see how we can justify denying them something that we already got for the very same reasons.

I'm not sure Maken Tosch if I understand your option completely, I'm a EVE noob and I still think DUST is better off with some more thinkering and testing, but ooh well...I'm actually starting to not care anymore...seems you feel that way too? Doesn't sound good eh?






That's if you won't limit the respecs in any way of the other, noone said it doesn't have to have any consquences.

I feel like people completely ignore the other side of the pro-respec crowd. The people who only want to use their respecs for the current Flavor of the Month. I highly doubt they are as few as people say they are and I'm convinces that's the major reason people want respecs.

I'll admit, I'm #1, but none of the dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles I want are in game yet.

Where's my pilot suit and minmatar fighter with autocannons?

For these, save your SP.

There are no variants of this content in game.

Any content that is added should be added only when all Racial Variants can be added as one package. This would eliminate the need to allow respecs for content added under these Expansions.

Current classes and Roles of Vehicles and Dropsuits, as well as some weapons do not have all Racial Variants, thus warranting a respec for at least the respective skill lines where missing Racial Variants are possibly effected. (Heavy Frames, Light Frames, LAVs, HAVs, and Dropships.)

I don't even know if I would include weapons in this. Possibly on a case by case basis. Respecs for weapons open the door to FOTM abuse which is prevalent mostly in Weaponry.

I like to remind everyone here that Eve Online has all the core racial ship classes it needs and those ships still get rebalanced every now and then along with their respective modules. Yet they haven't received a single respec. So far this has not caused any problems with Eve and very little (if any) players ever complained about it nor feel that they needed a respec. This is because the core content is already there and much of the game's core mechanics have been fixed.

One more thing I need to emphasize here is that respecs will not fix core issues. You can put unlimited respecs all you want but the game will still be crap because:

1. Hit Detection hasn't been resolved.
2. Disconnects are still prevalent.
3. Weapons are still unbalanced.
4. Glitches are all over the place.

Even with the respecs, the core issues alone will still drive most players away.

Eve is bad example the system they use is minutes,hours, days, weeks, and months. So its easy to skill into something in Eve not dust. We grind for SP with limited game modes with no PVE.

Even though technically the nova knives are Caldari, the server doesn't see the knives like that. Not yet at least until the racial variants come in.

does that mean we'll get our Nova Knife SP refunded when the other variants are introduced?

Here's what I came up with a few days ago...
All skills in dropsuits, weapons, and modules, vehicles, ect should get a respec. Nothing more. Like core skills. But only when a new thing comes out for them and you would like to try them out.

respecs are for games that last 3 months. this one is long term.

just say no to respecs.

Two things I noticed about those not supporting respecs

1. Played since at least beginning of open beta where they got the chance to make their mistakes and then were given two respecs upon release of Uprising to fix them.

2. All of the dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles they want are already in the game.

Probably not. If CCP does to Dust what they did with the Eve skills, it's more than likely that CCP would allocate the SP for you into other racial variants depending on which racial skills you have. That would also mean you would get extra SP without needing to grind anything at all.

Kind of dumb that it gets done without your choice, but it would well work in my case so I won't complain if that's how it goes down.
Still, not being sure how they plan to do this makes it hard to plan my skills. Really tempted to get those proto knives, but those kalamari knives are so smelly.