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Malkai Inos
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Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:55:00 -
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Orin Issa wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Orin Issa wrote:Two things I noticed about those not supporting respecs
1. Played since at least beginning of open beta where they got the chance to make their mistakes and then were given two respecs upon release of Uprising to fix them.
2. All of the dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles they want are already in the game. 1. That's because CCP made some major screwups with the skill system and were forced to give one more final respec. 2. Not sure you're trolling here. But last I checked even the anti-respec folks acknowledge the lack of dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles. 1. Though that may be, it doesn't reflect the countless others who were not effected by any changes in the skill tree and still were given the opportunity to take advantage of a respec and now wave the "anti-respec" flag. 2. Not trolling. What do you say happens for the people who want to use the Combat Rifle, Gallente Heavy, or Amarr Dropship and have no option to? Are they supposed to just sit on their SP until who knows when? 1. Just so happened to have skilled in a way that has saved them from repercussions due to the faulty skill tree and thus also had no immediate benefit from respecs.
2. As long as respcs are an option every future player will face the same situation as we do. This includes not just the combat rifle but also MTACS, jets and whatever might get released at any point in the future. This is also the reason why limiting respecs for racial symmetry of variants that are currently missing can not be justified, leaving us with the choice between an indefinite amount of respecs or none.
To answer your question. Yes. Alternatively they can reasonably spec into what they can work with right now and reserve only part of their gain for their desired content. The difference between IV and V in most skills is insignificant, yet the latter costs twice as much. Save the fith level and you can spec another variant to IV the instant it is released. That's how i do it and i'm doing just fine with just over 5m SP.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:19:00 -
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dday3six wrote:On more then one occasion you cited you'll quit both games if respec are introduced. That's a clear potential for you to have a personal stake in there no being respecs, considering how by your own admission you've played Eve Online for 10 years, and therefore has a great deal to lose from quitting. There's a distinct possibility of me doing the same, should this happen eve side or in other ways than skillback boosters or strictly limited for racial symmetry purposes dust side (search for the term and my name to get what i mean).
The reason is not blind vengeance for CCP not doing as i wish but because the SP system is one of the most important reasons why i play both games and a hallmark of New Eden. If this is gone, i might be gone as well. Simple as that.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:31:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:dday3six wrote:On more then one occasion you cited you'll quit both games if respec are introduced. That's a clear potential for you to have a personal stake in there no being respecs, considering how by your own admission you've played Eve Online for 10 years, and therefore has a great deal to lose from quitting. There's a distinct possibility of me doing the same, should this happen eve side or in other ways than skillback boosters or strictly limited for racial symmetry purposes dust side (search for the term and my name to get what i mean). The reason is not blind vengeance for CCP not doing as i wish but because the SP system is one of the most important reasons why i play both games and a hallmark of New Eden. If this is gone, i might be gone as well. Simple as that. Racial symmetry is something I can see as a valid excuse but only core suits like Amarr Heavy, Amarr Assault, Amarr Logi and Amarr Scout. I would not support respecs just because Amarr Covert Ops just came out soon after. I'd say anything that gets a racial variant allows a relocation of already spent SP from one variant to another, one time per char and limited only to the specific skills and their prerequisites.
Future generations of players won't care about what we'd view as "core" today so i can't see how we can justify denying them something that we already got for the very same reasons. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:12:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:I feel like people completely ignore the other side of the pro-respec crowd. The people who only want to use their respecs for the current Flavor of the Month. I highly doubt they are as few as people say they are and I'm convinces that's the major reason people want respecs. Could very well be...or not.
Anyway, i'm not going to pass judgement upon a whole swath of the player base just because some of them might or might not be entirely honest about their motivation.
What counts is if they have objectively good arguments in favor of their position and sound replies to arguments against it. The person behind the argument and his motivation should not be relevant in the first place. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:35:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:For these, save your SP.
There are no variants of this content in game.
Any content that is added should be added only when all Racial Variants can be added as one package. This would eliminate the need to allow respecs for content added under these Expansions.
Current classes and Roles of Vehicles and Dropsuits, as well as some weapons do not have all Racial Variants, thus warranting a respec for at least the respective skill lines where missing Racial Variants are possibly effected. (Heavy Frames, Light Frames, LAVs, HAVs, and Dropships.)
I don't even know if I would include weapons in this. Possibly on a case by case basis. Respecs for weapons open the door to FOTM abuse which is prevalent mostly in Weaponry. This. "fix the issue instead of adding respec"
We shouldn't ask for respecs to abandon whatever is perceived as "hit with the nerf bat" but demand better balancing strategies instead so that items don't get hit too hard in the first place.
We shouldn't ask for respecs to get into our preferred racial variant but instead demand fully symmetric content releases so that no one is left out in the first place. |
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