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First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:05:00 -
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There's a lot I can say about respecs but I'll just say this:
I'm a pretty dedicated Minmatar player, my plan to build this character was to go strictly with Minmatar gear. Now I've stayed focused on that for the most part. Specialized into Minmatar light/scout with Mass Driver and SMGs. It's a decent setup. But there's a few problems.
There are no minmatar AV weapons. I tried to get by with just AV grenades but I was forced to be at the mercy of every vehicle from LAVs to even dropships until I gave in and skilled into Swarm Launchers. Now I realize this is a somewhat self inflicted problem, but it points out a flaw in the "Save your SP" argument. The game gets really bad really fast when you're not able to spend your SP. Now I'd like to be able to put my SP from my SL into whatever the minmatar AV weapon is when it gets released. I'm not sure it will happen, I doubt it will sometimes, but it reflects very bad on CCP when players are punished because they released an incomplete game.
The minmatar scout racial bonus gives a damage bonus to nova knives. While that sounds nice and all to most of you, the nova knife is CALDARI. The MINMATAR scout gives a damage bonus to a CALDARI weapon. CCP showed off a slide of all the racial knives during Fanfest, which was cool, now we know racial knives are coming. But they released the Minmatar Scout before they released the minmatar knife variant, so they couldn't give the scout a minmatar knife bonus, so they gave it a caldari knife bonus. Meaning we minmatar scouts are FORCED to specialize into the Caldari knife, or not use our racial bonus. Which again, BAD CCP.
No Minmatar vehicle variants, or even minmatar turret variants.
These are issues that go on for almost ALL suits, vehicles, weapons. I get that people are concerned about the issues that respecs might cause in the future, but what about all the issues that not getting a respec will cause/are causing right now? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3291
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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:09:00 -
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Even though technically the nova knives are Caldari, the server doesn't see the knives like that. Not yet at least until the racial variants come in. |
First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
525
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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:12:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Even though technically the nova knives are Caldari, the server doesn't see the knives like that. Not yet at least until the racial variants come in.
does that mean we'll get our Nova Knife SP refunded when the other variants are introduced? |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
198
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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:16:00 -
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respecs are for games that last 3 months. this one is long term.
just say no to respecs. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
31
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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:29:00 -
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Here's what I came up with a few days ago...
All skills in dropsuits, weapons, and modules, vehicles, ect should get a respec. Nothing more. Like core skills. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3291
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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:15:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Even though technically the nova knives are Caldari, the server doesn't see the knives like that. Not yet at least until the racial variants come in. does that mean we'll get our Nova Knife SP refunded when the other variants are introduced?
Probably not. If CCP does to Dust what they did with the Eve skills, it's more than likely that CCP would allocate the SP for you into other racial variants depending on which racial skills you have. That would also mean you would get extra SP without needing to grind anything at all. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3291
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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:19:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Here's what I came up with a few days ago...
All skills in dropsuits, weapons, and modules, vehicles, ect should get a respec. Nothing more. Like core skills. But only when a new thing comes out for them and you would like to try them out.
No. Only for racial symmetry as pointed out earlier in the previous page would an extra respec be recommended.
Let's say CCP releases all racial variants of all classes.
Amarr Heavy
Amarr Assault
Amarr Scout
Amarr Logistics
Gallente Heavy
Gallente Assault
Gallente Scout
Gallente Logistics
Caldari.... you get what I mean.
At that point, I might understand an extra respec just because of the symmetry.
But if CCP later on, after the symmetry, deploys Gallente Covert Ops (a powerful form of a Gallente Scout) then no, they shouldn't give out respecs. |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
119
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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:52:00 -
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low genius wrote:respecs are for games that last 3 months. this one is long term.
just say no to respecs.
Low genius more like loq IQ, this game isn't long term if the players get bored with it. Enjoy flaylock 514 most everyone thats on these forums dont even play anymore, We stick around just to see what the unskilled and ididotic will say next. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
1411
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Posted - 2013.07.14 03:03:00 -
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Orin Issa wrote:Two things I noticed about those not supporting respecs
1. Played since at least beginning of open beta where they got the chance to make their mistakes and then were given two respecs upon release of Uprising to fix them.
2. All of the dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles they want are already in the game.
2. I do not support a full respec system, I want heavy Minmatar. So... thats half your point(?) |
First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
525
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Posted - 2013.07.14 03:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:First Prophet wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Even though technically the nova knives are Caldari, the server doesn't see the knives like that. Not yet at least until the racial variants come in. does that mean we'll get our Nova Knife SP refunded when the other variants are introduced? Probably not. If CCP does to Dust what they did with the Eve skills, it's more than likely that CCP would allocate the SP for you into other racial variants depending on which racial skills you have. That would also mean you would get extra SP without needing to grind anything at all.
Kind of dumb that it gets done without your choice, but it would well work in my case so I won't complain if that's how it goes down.
Still, not being sure how they plan to do this makes it hard to plan my skills. Really tempted to get those proto knives, but those kalamari knives are so smelly. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3300
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:29:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:First Prophet wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Even though technically the nova knives are Caldari, the server doesn't see the knives like that. Not yet at least until the racial variants come in. does that mean we'll get our Nova Knife SP refunded when the other variants are introduced? Probably not. If CCP does to Dust what they did with the Eve skills, it's more than likely that CCP would allocate the SP for you into other racial variants depending on which racial skills you have. That would also mean you would get extra SP without needing to grind anything at all. Kind of dumb that it gets done without your choice, but it would well work in my case so I won't complain if that's how it goes down. Still, not being sure how they plan to do this makes it hard to plan my skills. Really tempted to get those proto knives, but those kalamari knives are so smelly.
You could always opt for the Minmatar knives which (according to the Fanfest pics) look like a piece of metal with duck tape for a handle. Then again, the Gallente seem to have watched one too many Star Trek films to make a Klingon hook knife. |
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