I thought I would keep track of 300 deaths in game. These are the results.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.


Over 85% of these deaths were to 3 weapons. I think this says a lot about this game.

Make of it what you will CCP.

Raw numbers?

Taken with grains of salt

Actually they look very accurate ...Red-line snipers are swarming all over the place, LAV kills are as regular as re-spawning in the battle, Tanks with their HIGH resistances are every where.. specially in the red-line.

High Resists? You're a funny guy.

More info please, such as what game mode and what suit/weapon do you run?

well if you die buy snipers the most its easy dont stand there or run in a line its very rare for me to die by red line snipers or get run over not saying it dont happen but i die mostly from mass fire from flay lock noobs that need to dump 2+ clips at my feet when that fails they stat tossing contact nades at me lol.

but when you know what most people are doing its not hard to foresee whats to come an stay out if its way, now if you are like most of the blue dots that seem to run around some times on the field like they are headless chickens which is rather funny to watch some times.

Same for LAV's.

Yup, you're right too, I must get some of these vehicle grenades I've heard about, apparently it only takes 1 to take down one of those yellow jeeps.

Thanks for the help.

Lai Dai's take 4 to kill me. 1 PC shot and 1 swarm and 2 nades would do me in too.

OH !

So you're saying I need to use millions of skill points to go against your 300 thou SP jeep, and stand a chance

Also more millions to get a decent suit and side arm to protect myself against infantry at the same time you're trying to run me down.

Yup, sounds legit I'll do that in six months or so, thanks again.

@ J Pearson.

Almost exclusively skirmish. Mostly on American servers.

Cko. Either GEK 38 or GLU 5.

50% solo 50% in squad.

Lol hes talking about his tank duuu. Lol at thread. QQ I get killed by wepons designed to do just that. My AR cant solo everything waaaaaa waaaaaaaaa+á.

I somewhat agree.

I reckon about 70% of my deaths come from being run over by LAVs. They don't seem to need much speed to do so, and sometimes, well, a lot of times, they are quiet to the point where its already too late.

Its not that my REs or indeed my flux MD combo don't kill enough of them, its just that its not really any fun. I know HTFU go to fish and whatnot.

Say whatever you want, having a FPS game where getting run over by free LAVs is the biggest threat in a standard pub game is just in serious bad taste. All the "adapt or die" and HTFU people can be my guess and keep saying that until the rest of this puny playerbase takes their hats and leaves....

Perhaps its time for Dust to "adapt or die"?

Wow I'm surprised anyone gets nearly half of their deaths from snipers - they're not that hard to avoid, especially after the first death from them so you know where to avoid.

The LAVs are a huge problem though and everyone knows it - CCP must be seeing the numbers but I'm astounded they haven't done anything about it yet.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.

The only thing these numbers tell me is that you spend WAY to much time out in the open playing with yourself. How about instead.. You train up your Shotgun skills get get into the middle of the battle. Then we would see different numbers.

Stop giving biased information, Playstyle affects these numbers alot more then anything being OP.

The only thing these numbers tell me is that you spend WAY to much time out in the open playing with yourself. How about instead.. You train up your Shotgun skills get get into the middle of the battle. Then we would see different numbers.

Stop giving biased information, Playstyle affects these numbers alot more then anything being OP.

I always in the heat of the battle... which is why i get kill by snipers, road kill by LAV's, and ambush by tanks ...what you just said doesn't make any sense.

To the part I bolded, If you are mixing it up you won't die to snipers and LAVs. I rarely ever die to snipers and I play at AR range around central objectives. I do die alot to LAVs, but thats mostly because I'm ditzy and walk out into traffic before looking both ways. Thats a playstyle choice.

As for people shooting you from the redline.... Well.. Stop wearing all protogear, pubstomping and redlining them. Keep the fight in the middle of the map. Thats a playstyle choice.

So.. trying to win the battle, and helping my team mates, is the WRONG playstyle ? THAT IS NEW

So you admit it then, well then I say you are full of ****.

Oh wow look at me. I wore all protogear, pubstomped the other team and then once we redlined them, they got out their sniper rifles and sniper tanks and shot at me. But because I only use an AR and Flaylock, I didn't have the range to shoot them back.

I am so mad that CCP will not let me get into their spawn and base **** them all day

So.. trying to win the battle, and helping my team mates, is the WRONG playstyle ? THAT IS NEW

Lol hes talking about his tank duuu. Lol at thread. QQ I get killed by wepons designed to do just that. My AR cant solo everything waaaaaa waaaaaaaaa+á.

I thought I would keep track of 300 deaths in game. These are the results.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.


Over 85% of these deaths were to 3 weapons. I think this says a lot about this game.

Make of it what you will CCP.

Great, you passed elementary statistics, that any kid in high school could've studied. Here's some things you didn't list:

Place and location (were you taking cover by a box/crate? what map are you on? were you in the open field?)

Weapon Type (some cocky guy coming around the corner with some real skill and a militia shotgun [the other weapons]? some sniper with any rifle between militia and proto?)

What was your action at the time? (what were you doing? capturing an objective? making suppresive fire in coverage?)

What class are you (are you a squishy medium suit perfect for sniping? Are you a slow heavy out in the open? are you quick like a scout and try to cover fields where you may face getting run over?)


The thing is this, (and I don't want to sound spiteful in any way) if we keep using data with just numbers, but not enough detail to understand dynamic changes in combat behavior, then we are going to have quite a crude balance. Trust me, every MMO from EVE Online to World of Warcraft realizes really fast why only relying on numbers for balancing is terrible; That's why they have testers, and they do damn well to observe whats happening in the environment, while the data collecting is simultaneously doing it's work.

YOU, pal are full of it.

Your 429 kills, your 0.83 kd tell me all I need to know.

Your opinion is invalid, as is anyone's who has more likes on the forum than kills in game.

Now please stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself.


My ALT char has twice your kills and kdr, and the only reason I have it is for CEO of the corp. You are talking rubbish.

I have this thing called a job, and a family and a life. I don't sit around all day playing video games. I'm glad you take pride in the fact you sit in a dark room playing playstation all day.

However I've been playing this game for a long time, and I do occasionally log in and play. And I still don't get killed by snipers very often. And I "Choose" to wear only milita gear, because its my playstyle. I choose to run headlong into the middle of battle. And as such my KD is low.

Red lines snipers are the majority of my deaths as well. I speed tank with my LR, the only problem is my giant beam of light really gives away my position making me sniper bait.

Well, instead of trolling the forums, maybe you could put that time into playing instead.

I can get your total kill tally in just one days play.

Lol, I wish. I'm at work and I'll be stuck here for another 11 hours. Then I gotta go home and take my kids to the park, then take my wife out to a nice dinner, then come home and do adult things, then pick up the kids and read to them and put them to bed. and maybe, just maybe... I might get in 1 match before I pass out.

I mostly play Dust 514ums.

How can you possibly give feedback about a game that you never play ? Maybe THIS is what is wrong with this game....People like you.

Maybe.. Maybe indeed.

I look at myself as the most interesting man in the world.

I don't always play Dust 514, but when I do, I offer my feedback.

Stay frosty my friends

Yeah... I can't wait to read you constructive feedback... ;

Remember that the game is call " Dust 514 " ... just in case you forgot which game we talking about, you welcome ..

I somewhat agree.

I reckon about 70% of my deaths come from being run over by LAVs. They don't seem to need much speed to do so, and sometimes, well, a lot of times, they are quiet to the point where its already too late.

Its not that my REs or indeed my flux MD combo don't kill enough of them, its just that its not really any fun. I know HTFU go to fish and whatnot.

Say whatever you want, having a FPS game where getting run over by free LAVs is the biggest threat in a standard pub game is just in serious bad taste. All the "adapt or die" and HTFU people can be my guess and keep saying that until the rest of this puny playerbase takes their hats and leaves....

Perhaps its time for Dust to "adapt or die"?

I write constructive feedback all the time. I gave this thread somewhat constructive feedback.

I related my own experience that I didn't die very often to snipers, and that when I talk to corpmates, they never complain about snipers. They do complain about clown cars though. And I found my experience differed from yours, I mostly die to ARs and grenades, then after that LAVs.

Looking at the differences, the only conclusion I had was that we had different playstyles.

Therefore I told you that your numbers are biased on playstyle and if you changed your playstyle you would see different numbers.

Trying to win the battle and helping you team mates, IS NOT A PLAYSTYLE... It is actually ; PLAYING THE GAME. Maybe you should try that more often....

Pubstomping people isn't fun. I don't enjoy ROFLstomping everyone. Redlining the enemy team and forcing them to just give up and switch to sniper rifles and clown cars isn't fun. It isn't fun for them either, so they quit.

For me, I like a close match against a tough opponent. In many different games, when you sit down to play, you can select a difficulty setting, easy, normal or hard. I always choose Hard. I enjoy games like Dark Souls. And as such, I choose Milita gear beacuse I consider it hardmode. This is my playstyle.

The problem you are encoutering is not that snipers are OP. It is that you are OP compared to who you are fighting, which shows there are matchmaking issues. If you adopt your playstyle you may find more enjoyment from closer matches. Unless of course you do just like bending people over and base raping them

What ? ...seriously dude... go and play Dust 514 for a bit, because you really have not idea what you talking about...Pub Storming have nothing to do with red-line snipers and tanks, or LAV's. Yes Pub storming is bad.. but that is a DIFFERENT problem..

I played a half dozen matches last week. didn't notice a problem with redline snipers or sniper tanks until after we redlined them. Sometimes I may catch a stray bullet every once and again, but I typically never stand still, even to shoot. LAVs are always a issue, but it becomes a crazy issue once the enemy is redlined and they just want to drive around and have fun.

I'll check it out if your telling me this is some new crazy thing.

I thought I would keep track of 300 deaths in game. These are the results.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.


Over 85% of these deaths were to 3 weapons. I think this says a lot about this game.

Make of it what you will CCP.

Why a Tank will sit in the red-line if they can potentially change the full battle ? Why LAV's will just run around looking for Road kills, if they could try to hack an undefended objective ? Why snipers don't try to drop up-links behind the other team lines ?

Think about that....and ffs... try to play the game more often.

it would help add some perspective to know what game types your were playing and what fits your run. Did you snipe? Did you run AV? Are you a heavy/Logi/Scout/Assault?

I remember shooting a guy called ice breaking like 20+ times over 3 games

I tend to remember the simple names, more so if they attempt to shoot me back.

probably not you, butj ust in case I figured I'd point out you might of just gotten matched up in sequence to teh same group of people.

it would help add some perspective to know what game types your were playing and what fits your run. Did you snipe? Did you run AV? Are you a heavy/Logi/Scout/Assault?

Yup, you're right, thanks.

I have only been playing a month or so.
I will stop standing still in the middle of the map and learn to take cover and zig zag.
Thanks for this insight I will try to put it into practice next time I play.

theres only more people in the hill cuz that ******** rocket you city slickers run around with, numbers like that are probably why CCP nerfed the snipers.
Even tho numbers miss huge factors. because they are just numbers. Next time list for every sniper kill what you were doing. most snipes now are on the braindead, due to terrible rendering, nerfs to damage versus shields, movement speed rendering at distance, and flaring(blue shield) when you fire the Kaaly it its r.o.f

Popularity of something =/= OP

300 deaths by every weapon sounds painful

I have at least two snipers in my corp on Thales now.

You are on crack, or just one of the braindead you talk of.

It was bad enough bothering to keep track of what I did. If you think I'm recording details that you and others want, think again.

Why don't you try it if you want to be more an al about it.

So yesterday when you were stood on a hill top, spamming swarms at my tank, you wouldn't consider yourself, a sniper target and a tank target. Thats a self induced result. simple as

A better version of your test would be to not highlight yourself on hilltop, with swarm cloads/trails, and play as the infantry you are. Of course the majority of kills were snipers and tanks if you jumping around in an opening on a hill, with flares in your hands and nano hives everywhere

So yesterday when you were stood on a hill top, spamming swarms at my tank, you wouldn't consider yourself, a sniper target and a tank target. Thats a self induced result. simple as

A better version of your test would be to not highlight yourself on hilltop, with swarm cloads/trails, and play as the infantry you are. Of course the majority of kills were snipers and tanks if you jumping around in an opening on a hill, with flares in your hands and nano hives everywhere



I take it you did not here about the event running this week then.

Try moar.
EDIT. LMAO.

I bet if I had said you killed me when I was infantry, you woulda said '' get a swarm launcher '' Try again.

dumb becuase we actually look at these numbers, and before acknowledging them, want to know the circumstances behind them.
Anyone can post numbers, just like you "90% of the player base.." comment, source?

Your name............Yup perfect.

Theres that predictable pattern us snipers love.

I thought I would keep track of 300 deaths in game. These are the results.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.


Over 85% of these deaths were to 3 weapons. I think this says a lot about this game.

Make of it what you will CCP.

I've been run over a total of 45 times in the last six months, and rarely am I sniped compared to ARed.
Also to people who've done other ones with actual posted public spreadsheets, they also don't have these obviously fictional numbers.

Something tells me your numbers were pulled out of your ass, or you like to park your butt in the middle of roads waiting for snipers and LAVs.

And something tells me.


A. you don't play.

B. you hide in the red line.

C. you don't play.

D. you hide in the redline.

Adv Commando / Adv Plasma Cannon / Adv Swarm Launcher ... AV specialist class.. so trust me, i know everything about SNIPERS and TANKS in the red-line.

I thought I would keep track of 300 deaths in game. These are the results.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.


Over 85% of these deaths were to 3 weapons. I think this says a lot about this game.

Make of it what you will CCP.

@ ladwar.

I didn't answer your post. It's way too stupid and does not deserve a reply.

This ^ ... People are "adapting" by leaving the game, so people "adapting" = Dust death.

This type of attitude is often just a disguised way of saying that Dust needs to play like Call of Duty, despite the two games being vastly different. Dust is a tactical shooter and CoD is an arcade shooter.

People approach Dust with expectations based on what they're accustomed to and play this game as if it should be CoD. They do things in Dust that are apparently common in CoD like zerging the other team and standing around like idiots without making use of cover. They play the game they expect, not the game they have. When that gets them dead in Dust, they blame the game, not their game-play.

As an example, I was playing in a game recently where my side had lost all four objectives. What followed is what I've seen repeatedly; the enemy team pushed all the way to our redline, where our players were responding with sniper fire and tanks. The opposing team kept this up despite taking significantly more casualties than our team. This continued up until they ran out of clones and they lost the match, despite having locked the objectives down.

That's bad game-play, not a bad game. People need to stop playing with old (and bad) habits and instead play with smart tactics.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The maps are terrible.

The game modes and design are awful.

These are two of the main things that promote this type of game, after game after game.

Yeah? terrible relative to what game, exactly? Call of Duty? The maps and modes are fine if played properly. Where they feel "terrible", it's because people keep tryng to force a round CoD peg into a square hole. How exactly is the team losing the game in the example I provided terrible design and not terrible players?

OP seems to not understand this. Post something in general discussions then calls anyone who questions his methods "stupid" or "dumb".
Don't get upset we question stuff, as I said in prior post, throwing numbers around on the internet is a very common and usually faulty process.
My advice would be not for CCP to look at this, but for the OP to look at it, and focus on how he can improve his play, 1st priority seems to be not becomming an easy target

This type of attitude is often just a disguised way of saying that Dust needs to play like Call of Duty, despite the two games being vastly different. Dust is a tactical shooter and CoD is an arcade shooter.

People approach Dust with expectations based on what they're accustomed to and play this game as if it should be CoD. They do things in Dust that are apparently common in CoD like zerging the other team and standing around like idiots without making use of cover. They play the game they expect, not the game they have. When that gets them dead in Dust, they blame the game, not their game-play.

As an example, I was playing in a game recently where my side had lost all four objectives. What followed is what I've seen repeatedly; the enemy team pushed all the way to our redline, where our players were responding with sniper fire and tanks. The opposing team kept this up despite taking significantly more casualties than our team. This continued up until they ran out of clones and they lost the match, despite having locked the objectives down.

That's bad game-play, not a bad game. People need to stop playing with old (and bad) habits and instead play with smart tactics.

Step one: Call in an LAV
Step two, drive to your destination.
Step three, hold and keep playing in cover at destination at city with a team, learn where you can cross to other parts without becoming roadkill.
Step four: profit.


Oh, and never stop moving no matter what no matter where and never run or do anything in a predictable pattern, always assume there are snipers pointing at you at all times.

There, I just increased your survivability three-fold that way. When I get home later today I'll look up your KDR as well as WP/D ratio out of insane curiosity.

EDIT: If you really want to learn something, watch a real corp team run skirmish, like for example Quickgloves and his boys, none of those fools get sniped or run over and they all hit the ground as infantryman in the thick of things. They survive because they don't act like total tactic-less tards

Says the guy with 1,400 kills.

STFU and play the game, then I might listen.

I love people like you that post on here and don't even play.

Too many alts and got burned out after a year of beta, you're still the guy who keeps getting sniped an absurd amount.
*shrugs*

EDIT: Also given your WP/Death ratio is half of mine, I'm not going to take anything you say too seriously, especially seeing your adorable behavior in-game of going to the same killzone after dying and magically expecting different results.

My WP are from kills, yours from hacking. Well done. At least this game caters for those of you that cant FPS eh.

My WP are from kills, yours from hacking. Well done. At least this game caters for those of you that cant FPS eh.

My WP are from kills, yours from hacking. Well done. At least this game caters for those of you that cant FPS eh.

noob attack number 32!!! *vooom*(LAV smash yo face in) *voom vooooooooooom*

noob attack number 83!!!! *click.....* hey he fell over! *BANG!*

rich noob attack number 2!!! *insert blaster noise* lol... nub in road ME KILL *vvvvooo.....oooo....om...mm...mmmm*

I thought I would keep track of 300 deaths in game. These are the results.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.


Over 85% of these deaths were to 3 weapons. I think this says a lot about this game.

Make of it what you will CCP.

33,000 kills make it feel better.

I thought I would keep track of 300 deaths in game. These are the results.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.


Over 85% of these deaths were to 3 weapons. I think this says a lot about this game.

Make of it what you will CCP.

And so you play a sniper

*shrugs*

Looks right to me.

I was kinda thinking he dog fights snipers with a GLU way to much, and possibly gets him self run over not paying attention..

just tellin it like it looks, no troll here..

I was kinda thinking he dog fights snipers with a GLU way to much, and possibly gets him self run over not paying attention..

just tellin it like it looks, no troll here..

Lol, I very rarely die to snipers. Why? Because I THINK

I thought I would keep track of 300 deaths in game. These are the results.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.


Over 85% of these deaths were to 3 weapons. I think this says a lot about this game.

Make of it what you will CCP.

This game is ment to be a fps not sniper elite or death race 2000

To die from any of these you must stand still the entire match. It takes 3 rounds from most sniper rifles to kill anyone other than another scout. I can probably count on one hand how many times I've been killed by them this build. They are virtually useless. Tanks are the slowest thing in the game and they are basically made of glass. There is also a lot more cover now than in previous builds. Lav,s are annoying and I hate them, but generally the only time they can run you over is if you're distracted. So this list is one of two things. 1. You suck hard or 2 you are a complete liar and have just listed things that annoy you in hopes that ccp will further gimp them. Probably a little if both. Posting lies will not help balance the game. Choke yourself dbag

To die from any of these you must stand still the entire match. It takes 3 rounds from most sniper rifles to kill anyone other than another scout. I can probably count on one hand how many times I've been killed by them this build. They are virtually useless. Tanks are the slowest thing in the game and they are basically made of glass. There is also a lot more cover now than in previous builds. Lav,s are annoying and I hate them, but generally the only time they can run you over is if you're distracted. So this list is one of two things. 1. You suck hard or 2 you are a complete liar and have just listed things that annoy you in hopes that ccp will further gimp them. Probably a little if both. Posting lies will not help balance the game. Choke yourself dbag

I rarely kill anyone I'm a generally a full time logi. I've said it in other posts I rarely have my weapon out. If you get killed by snipers and lav's all the time maybe you are the scrub. If you play all the time and are still getting killed by snipers and lav's you are a super scrub.

I rarely kill anyone I'm a generally a full time logi. I've said it in other posts I rarely have my weapon out. If you get killed by snipers and lav's all the time maybe you are the scrub. If you play all the time and are still getting killed by snipers and lav's you are a super scrub.

Even more hilarious that you constantly die from sniper fire, tanks, and lav. You think you would be getting better. Maybe you should just quite. You obviously are not improving at the game.

Yeah........... I'm a logi too.............difference is I have 33,000 kills.

what happens after 30k kills?

Almost as hilarious as your name.............. Ballsack.

Almost as hilarious as your name.............. Ballsack.

STFU ice ^^^^^^^^^ this guy know's it all DON'T YOU KNOW

I thought I would keep track of 300 deaths in game. These are the results.

132. By sniper.

87. Run over.

38. By tank.

43. By every other weapon in game, from grenades to knives.


Over 85% of these deaths were to 3 weapons. I think this says a lot about this game.

Make of it what you will CCP.

You don't have to be good player to spot a bs thread

As hilarious as his deaths are, these numbers do not mean much or anything about this game.

(Btw, this is the same as some other post)

To make any standpoint with data, you need alot more scope, with more matches/numbers. The list goes on and on about how meaningless just 300 kills is. The kills are also limited to your (ahem, bad) playstyle.

If you really wanna make any point to CCP or anyone else, please treat it more seriously and with more effort.

He plays the game and has just as much right to share his opinion as you do. You might have a ton of kills and a lot of play time but you can't manage to avoid 3 of the easiest things to dodge. If anyone's opinion should be ignored its yours.

You should seriously consider getting a job or get crazy and at least go outside.

He plays the game and has just as much right to share his opinion as you do. You might have a ton of kills and a lot of play time but you can't manage to avoid 3 of the easiest things to dodge. If anyone's opinion should be ignored its yours.