well if you die buy snipers the most its easy dont stand there or run in a line its very rare for me to die by red line snipers or get run over not saying it dont happen but i die mostly from mass fire from flay lock noobs that need to dump 2+ clips at my feet when that fails they stat tossing contact nades at me lol.

but when you know what most people are doing its not hard to foresee whats to come an stay out if its way, now if you are like most of the blue dots that seem to run around some times on the field like they are headless chickens which is rather funny to watch some times.

Same for LAV's.

Lai Dai's take 4 to kill me. 1 PC shot and 1 swarm and 2 nades would do me in too.

Lol hes talking about his tank duuu. Lol at thread. QQ I get killed by wepons designed to do just that. My AR cant solo everything waaaaaa waaaaaaaaa+á.

Wow I'm surprised anyone gets nearly half of their deaths from snipers - they're not that hard to avoid, especially after the first death from them so you know where to avoid.

The LAVs are a huge problem though and everyone knows it - CCP must be seeing the numbers but I'm astounded they haven't done anything about it yet.

The only thing these numbers tell me is that you spend WAY to much time out in the open playing with yourself. How about instead.. You train up your Shotgun skills get get into the middle of the battle. Then we would see different numbers.

Stop giving biased information, Playstyle affects these numbers alot more then anything being OP.

So.. trying to win the battle, and helping my team mates, is the WRONG playstyle ? THAT IS NEW

Great, you passed elementary statistics, that any kid in high school could've studied. Here's some things you didn't list:

Place and location (were you taking cover by a box/crate? what map are you on? were you in the open field?)

Weapon Type (some cocky guy coming around the corner with some real skill and a militia shotgun [the other weapons]? some sniper with any rifle between militia and proto?)

What was your action at the time? (what were you doing? capturing an objective? making suppresive fire in coverage?)

What class are you (are you a squishy medium suit perfect for sniping? Are you a slow heavy out in the open? are you quick like a scout and try to cover fields where you may face getting run over?)


The thing is this, (and I don't want to sound spiteful in any way) if we keep using data with just numbers, but not enough detail to understand dynamic changes in combat behavior, then we are going to have quite a crude balance. Trust me, every MMO from EVE Online to World of Warcraft realizes really fast why only relying on numbers for balancing is terrible; That's why they have testers, and they do damn well to observe whats happening in the environment, while the data collecting is simultaneously doing it's work.

I have this thing called a job, and a family and a life. I don't sit around all day playing video games. I'm glad you take pride in the fact you sit in a dark room playing playstation all day.

However I've been playing this game for a long time, and I do occasionally log in and play. And I still don't get killed by snipers very often. And I "Choose" to wear only milita gear, because its my playstyle. I choose to run headlong into the middle of battle. And as such my KD is low.

I remember shooting a guy called ice breaking like 20+ times over 3 games

I tend to remember the simple names, more so if they attempt to shoot me back.

probably not you, butj ust in case I figured I'd point out you might of just gotten matched up in sequence to teh same group of people.

it would help add some perspective to know what game types your were playing and what fits your run. Did you snipe? Did you run AV? Are you a heavy/Logi/Scout/Assault?

theres only more people in the hill cuz that ******** rocket you city slickers run around with, numbers like that are probably why CCP nerfed the snipers.
Even tho numbers miss huge factors. because they are just numbers. Next time list for every sniper kill what you were doing. most snipes now are on the braindead, due to terrible rendering, nerfs to damage versus shields, movement speed rendering at distance, and flaring(blue shield) when you fire the Kaaly it its r.o.f

Popularity of something =/= OP

300 deaths by every weapon sounds painful

So yesterday when you were stood on a hill top, spamming swarms at my tank, you wouldn't consider yourself, a sniper target and a tank target. Thats a self induced result. simple as

A better version of your test would be to not highlight yourself on hilltop, with swarm cloads/trails, and play as the infantry you are. Of course the majority of kills were snipers and tanks if you jumping around in an opening on a hill, with flares in your hands and nano hives everywhere

dumb becuase we actually look at these numbers, and before acknowledging them, want to know the circumstances behind them.
Anyone can post numbers, just like you "90% of the player base.." comment, source?

Theres that predictable pattern us snipers love.

I've been run over a total of 45 times in the last six months, and rarely am I sniped compared to ARed.
Also to people who've done other ones with actual posted public spreadsheets, they also don't have these obviously fictional numbers.

Something tells me your numbers were pulled out of your ass, or you like to park your butt in the middle of roads waiting for snipers and LAVs.

This type of attitude is often just a disguised way of saying that Dust needs to play like Call of Duty, despite the two games being vastly different. Dust is a tactical shooter and CoD is an arcade shooter.

People approach Dust with expectations based on what they're accustomed to and play this game as if it should be CoD. They do things in Dust that are apparently common in CoD like zerging the other team and standing around like idiots without making use of cover. They play the game they expect, not the game they have. When that gets them dead in Dust, they blame the game, not their game-play.

As an example, I was playing in a game recently where my side had lost all four objectives. What followed is what I've seen repeatedly; the enemy team pushed all the way to our redline, where our players were responding with sniper fire and tanks. The opposing team kept this up despite taking significantly more casualties than our team. This continued up until they ran out of clones and they lost the match, despite having locked the objectives down.

That's bad game-play, not a bad game. People need to stop playing with old (and bad) habits and instead play with smart tactics.

Yeah? terrible relative to what game, exactly? Call of Duty? The maps and modes are fine if played properly. Where they feel "terrible", it's because people keep tryng to force a round CoD peg into a square hole. How exactly is the team losing the game in the example I provided terrible design and not terrible players?

OP seems to not understand this. Post something in general discussions then calls anyone who questions his methods "stupid" or "dumb".
Don't get upset we question stuff, as I said in prior post, throwing numbers around on the internet is a very common and usually faulty process.
My advice would be not for CCP to look at this, but for the OP to look at it, and focus on how he can improve his play, 1st priority seems to be not becomming an easy target

Step one: Call in an LAV
Step two, drive to your destination.
Step three, hold and keep playing in cover at destination at city with a team, learn where you can cross to other parts without becoming roadkill.
Step four: profit.


Oh, and never stop moving no matter what no matter where and never run or do anything in a predictable pattern, always assume there are snipers pointing at you at all times.

There, I just increased your survivability three-fold that way. When I get home later today I'll look up your KDR as well as WP/D ratio out of insane curiosity.

EDIT: If you really want to learn something, watch a real corp team run skirmish, like for example Quickgloves and his boys, none of those fools get sniped or run over and they all hit the ground as infantryman in the thick of things. They survive because they don't act like total tactic-less tards

Too many alts and got burned out after a year of beta, you're still the guy who keeps getting sniped an absurd amount.
*shrugs*

EDIT: Also given your WP/Death ratio is half of mine, I'm not going to take anything you say too seriously, especially seeing your adorable behavior in-game of going to the same killzone after dying and magically expecting different results.

I was kinda thinking he dog fights snipers with a GLU way to much, and possibly gets him self run over not paying attention..

just tellin it like it looks, no troll here..

Lol, I very rarely die to snipers. Why? Because I THINK

To die from any of these you must stand still the entire match. It takes 3 rounds from most sniper rifles to kill anyone other than another scout. I can probably count on one hand how many times I've been killed by them this build. They are virtually useless. Tanks are the slowest thing in the game and they are basically made of glass. There is also a lot more cover now than in previous builds. Lav,s are annoying and I hate them, but generally the only time they can run you over is if you're distracted. So this list is one of two things. 1. You suck hard or 2 you are a complete liar and have just listed things that annoy you in hopes that ccp will further gimp them. Probably a little if both. Posting lies will not help balance the game. Choke yourself dbag

I rarely kill anyone I'm a generally a full time logi. I've said it in other posts I rarely have my weapon out. If you get killed by snipers and lav's all the time maybe you are the scrub. If you play all the time and are still getting killed by snipers and lav's you are a super scrub.

Even more hilarious that you constantly die from sniper fire, tanks, and lav. You think you would be getting better. Maybe you should just quite. You obviously are not improving at the game.

As hilarious as his deaths are, these numbers do not mean much or anything about this game.

(Btw, this is the same as some other post)

To make any standpoint with data, you need alot more scope, with more matches/numbers. The list goes on and on about how meaningless just 300 kills is. The kills are also limited to your (ahem, bad) playstyle.

If you really wanna make any point to CCP or anyone else, please treat it more seriously and with more effort.

He plays the game and has just as much right to share his opinion as you do. You might have a ton of kills and a lot of play time but you can't manage to avoid 3 of the easiest things to dodge. If anyone's opinion should be ignored its yours.

You should seriously consider getting a job or get crazy and at least go outside.