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Paran Tadec Internal Error. League of Infamy 1168	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:43:00 - [1] - Quote about people going 20-0 with just a free LAV?
Sgt Buttscratch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 395	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:47:00 - [2] - Quote yes, CCP will buff LAV, 30-0 was intended.
Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 182	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:49:00 - [3] - Quote You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP!
Paran Tadec Internal Error. League of Infamy 1168	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:50:00 - [4] - Quote Alucard Fang wrote: You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! Or we can just remove the free LAV's altogether, forcing you to spend SP if you want to murder taxi.
ChromeBreaker Sver true blood Public Disorder. 728	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:52:00 - [5] - Quote Yes first my forge gun will make them go 15-5 Second i would expect them to be swapped for hover bikes and a price put on them
Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 182	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:55:00 - [6] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Alucard Fang wrote: You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! Or we can just remove the free LAV's altogether, forcing you to spend SP if you want to murder taxi. No. Murder Taxis shouldn't exist. They're intended for transport or logistic or assault with the turret, you should not be able to run over people. You do realize most murder taxi bleeps skilled into LAVs right? Remove the ability for the LAV to damage/kill.
Bob Teller Red STar. EoN. 31	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:56:00 - [7] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Alucard Fang wrote: You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! Or we can just remove the free LAV's altogether, forcing you to spend SP if you want to murder taxi. That's not solving anything.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3228	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:59:00 - [8] - Quote Welcome to New Eden. The galaxy in which anything goes. I'm surprised nobody asked for nerfing the rookie ships in Eve Online after people discovered years ago that a fleet of a thousand FREE SHIPS with FREE MODULES can destroy an exhumer in high-sec space in a suicide gank.
Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 182	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:06:00 - [9] - Quote We're not asking for nerfs. We want, or I want complete removal of damage.
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 480	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:08:00 - [10] - Quote Militia LAVs are poo poo. Just one militia swarm launcher keeps free LAVs from going 20-0. Logi LAVs are the real problem. Can't really take them down unless several AVs ambush it after it crashes or flips.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3228	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:10:00 - [11] - Quote Alucard Fang wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Alucard Fang wrote: You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! Or we can just remove the free LAV's altogether, forcing you to spend SP if you want to murder taxi. No. Murder Taxis shouldn't exist. They're intended for transport or logistics or assault with the turret, you should not be able to run over people. You do realize most murder taxi bleeps skilled into LAVs right? Remove the ability for the LAV to damage/kill. Sure, LAVs are primarily intended for transport and logistics, but players should be allowed free reign on how to use those things beyond their intended design. In Eve Online there was this one player who was able to destroy mission-running battleship with just a simple industrial hauler. There was also a time in which batttleships (before mining ships came into existence) were primarily used for mining. What about Chribba? He has a dreadnaught floating in Amarr and he only uses it for mining. Thus the term Veldnaught was coined. Again, another tool being used outside of its intended design yet CCP allowed them to continue.
Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 182	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:11:00 - [12] - Quote I love how I jumped up on the edge of a concrete walk by a building and the LAV user kept try to hit me still, he could have easily jumped out and killed me but he would not get out. That's ridiculous. Remove the damage, it's the only way. That doesn't really hurt the game, some can be annoying I guess though. People should be able to do what they want, but this is ridiculous. Either that or CCP gives us the option to go into battles that don't have LAVs.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3228	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:11:00 - [13] - Quote Alucard Fang wrote: We're not asking for nerfs. We want, or I want complete removal of damage. That's technically a nerf.
TEBOW BAGGINS Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 726	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:19:00 - [14] - Quote Alucard Fang wrote: I love how I jumped up on the edge of a concrete walk by a building and the LAV user kept try to hit me still, he could have easily jumped out and killed me but he would not get out. That's ridiculous. Remove the damage, it's the only way. That doesn't really hurt the game, some can be annoying I guess though. People should be able to do what they want, but this is ridiculous. Either that or CCP gives us the option to go into battles that don't have LAVs. it's the map design that is the problem. there is no where for infantry to fight that lav cannot go. lav should kill ppl running out in the open but not run everyone over directly next to the cap point., asking for no damage will make the game look stupid and crutchy
Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 182	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:25:00 - [15] - Quote Not really. Because then you won't have LAV users chasing people. I mean, that already makes the game look stupid when you're watching a video and see LAVs roaming around the map running people over.
Scheneighnay McBob Blueberry Gunners 2192	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:30:00 - [16] - Quote Yes. Someone with decide to run AV
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 837	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:34:00 - [17] - Quote A decked out LLAV stills costs a pretty penny. I feel a little better getting run over by a 400k isk LLAV. At least if I kill the LAV I hit his pocket. But this is crap when its starter fits getting into starter LAVs and the moment you blow them up there's an RDV across the map seconds later where that same idiot has called in another free LAV. We need to get rid of free LAVs... if you want a car to transport you around, buy a militia LAV and pay for it. Just like militia tanks, and militia dropsuits, militia LAVs should be a joke to organized people in proto gear. Then we need to get AV nades working properly against LLAVs... the fact that they have ~50% passive resistance to explosive damage is unacceptable.
InsidiousN KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:35:00 - [18] - Quote There's an incredibly easy fix- just put LAV HP back to where it was before it was buffed. CCP created this entire problem out of thin air. LAVs, especially free LAV were not broken, of course they should be paper thin- they're FREE and INFINITE! CCPs special ability to not see 1 step in front of their face created this problem by trying to fix something that was not broken, while leaving so very many broken things untouched.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 766	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:36:00 - [19] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yes. Someone with decide to run AV I'm with McBob. All the LAVs provide a target rich environment. I actually get a little sad when I switch to AV and run out of things to explode. Something changed recently too. AV grenades are killing drivers before they kill the LAVs which is fun. Oooh, more hacking points for Mordu's Challenge!
Paran Tadec Internal Error. League of Infamy 1169	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:37:00 - [20] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: A decked out LLAV stills costs a pretty penny. I feel a little better getting run over by a 400k isk LLAV. At least if I kill the LAV I hit his pocket. But this is crap when its starter fits getting into starter LAVs and the moment you blow them up there's an RDV across the map seconds later where that same idiot has called in another free LAV. We need to get rid of free LAVs... if you want a car to transport you around, buy a militia LAV and pay for it. Just like militia tanks, and militia dropsuits, militia LAVs should be a joke to organized people in proto gear. Then we need to get AV nades working properly against LLAVs... the fact that they have ~50% passive resistance to explosive damage is unacceptable. I'd also like for LAV's to actually show uo on radar further than 10 meters away. We can travel across the universe in seconds, but a suit cant detect a car driving towards you at 30m.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 837	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:39:00 - [21] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: I'd also like for LAV's to actually show uo on radar further than 10 meters away. We can travel across the universe in seconds, but a suit cant detect a car driving towards you at 30m. 100% agree with you there. I've LAVs run me over and still never show up on the map.
Soldiersaint Reaper Galactic 89	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:39:00 - [22] - Quote Alucard Fang wrote: You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! lol so make this game stupid for the sake of balance? cars kill people guy. and they always will.
Nightbird Aeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 223	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:39:00 - [23] - Quote I don't really believe that CCP designed the LAV to be the primary weapon of a player. Quick transport, or a gunner, or logi support.... portable CRU... or a portal nano-hive, sure.... but not a rolling death machine. I think that part of the reason that the murder-taxi LAV play hasn't been nerfed is that CCP doesn't know what to replace it with.
Soldiersaint Reaper Galactic 89	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:40:00 - [24] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Alucard Fang wrote: You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! Or we can just remove the free LAV's altogether, forcing you to spend SP if you want to murder taxi. get rid of the free suits to. after all we cant let you infantry only players have your way.
Nightbird Aeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 223	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:41:00 - [25] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: I'd also like for LAV's to actually show uo on radar further than 10 meters away. We can travel across the universe in seconds, but a suit cant detect a car driving towards you at 30m. 100% agree with you there. I've LAVs run me over and still never show up on the map. Yeah.... 100% agree here. How does a LAV not show up on radar until it hits you. Its a kitten vehicle. People in suits (except for super-stealthy) show up... so a LAV should too.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 837	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:43:00 - [26] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Alucard Fang wrote: You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! Or we can just remove the free LAV's altogether, forcing you to spend SP if you want to murder taxi. get rid of the free suits to. after all we cant let you infantry only players have your way. Actually would make this game so much better if you couldn't run militia gear outside of the academy or something. Just have to devise a way for people to make money if they run out of suits. The amount of people using starter fits in IB is staggering... and its kind of sad tbh.. kills any sort of competition when people are so worried about losing money they will go 0-15 in starter fits and go... herp derp look at all the money i made!
Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 182	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:45:00 - [27] - Quote You're such a waste of life Soldiersaint. LAVs weren't made to kill people. They shouldn't be used to kill people, removing it's ability to damage/kill the player wouldn't make the game dumb, it shouldn't change anything, because people shouldn't use LAVs to run over others to begin with. But of course you're one of those cowards that stay in it so it would be dumb for you, just leave the game.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3229	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:47:00 - [28] - Quote Alucard Fang wrote: Not really. Because then you won't have LAV users chasing people. I mean, that already makes the game look stupid when you're watching a video and see LAVs roaming around the map running people over. Wrong. I'm going to challenge that mentality of yours. Vehicles always have the capacity to become battering rams. What you are asking is a nerf to that capability by removing damage dealt hitting someone with the vehicle. In Battlefield, I'm pretty sure players have always used vehicles to run people over. Halo has the same thing. Then there is Microsoft's Combat Flight Simulator and Maddox Games' IL-2 Sturmovik in which players would sometimes ram their planes into other players when they run out of bullets. Many people saw that as a lame tactic, but it was a valid tactic none the less. The same thing was said about snipers in early first person shooters. Everyone complained about the snipers camping here and there yet you still see them to this day in modern FPS games. Just because you forget to look both ways before crossing the street it doesn't mean every car in the world has to have giant pillows strapped onto their front bumper.
Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 189	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:50:00 - [29] - Quote No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you?
Paran Tadec Internal Error. League of Infamy 1174	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:54:00 - [30] - Quote Alucard Fang wrote: No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGWjV0Q51w

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