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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3229
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Posted - 2013.07.10 15:56:00 -
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Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you?
Why don't you ask Al-Qaeda how many cars they used as explosive devices in market places? What about people running into other people with bombs strapped to their chests? You are seriously not making any sense with your logic here. |
InsidiousN
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
119
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Posted - 2013.07.10 15:57:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you? (link removed)
Dude, no. That's bad taste even for a member of Internal Error. You should remove your link. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3230
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Posted - 2013.07.10 15:58:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGWjV0Q51w
Ouch. |
Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
189
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Posted - 2013.07.10 15:59:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGWjV0Q51w Or read the top comment? |
Soldiersaint
Reaper Galactic
91
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Posted - 2013.07.10 15:59:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! Or we can just remove the free LAV's altogether, forcing you to spend SP if you want to murder taxi. get rid of the free suits to. after all we cant let you infantry only players have your way. Actually would make this game so much better if you couldn't run militia gear outside of the academy or something. Just have to devise a way for people to make money if they run out of suits. The amount of people using starter fits in IB is staggering... and its kind of sad tbh.. kills any sort of competition when people are so worried about losing money they will go 0-15 in starter fits and go... herp derp look at all the money i made! the problem here is the competition....thats why i run free suits.....you wanna be hardcore thats fine.....dont drag me into it. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3230
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:01:00 -
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Alucard Fang wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGWjV0Q51w Or read the top comment?
Read the comments in the YouTube video. Those are videos from Blackwater. They are real-life mercenary company that worked with US government. Yes, there are real-world mercenary companies out there. |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
861
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:01:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Welcome to New Eden. The galaxy in which anything goes.
I'm surprised nobody asked for nerfing the rookie ships in Eve Online after people discovered years ago that a fleet of a thousand FREE SHIPS with FREE MODULES can destroy an exhumer in high-sec space in a suicide gank. If u failed to notice a fleet of rookie ships b-linging it towards u. U desiver to lose the ship lol |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1378
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:03:00 -
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Speed reduction on all LAVs. Or speed bumps and walls everywhere. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3230
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:04:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Welcome to New Eden. The galaxy in which anything goes.
I'm surprised nobody asked for nerfing the rookie ships in Eve Online after people discovered years ago that a fleet of a thousand FREE SHIPS with FREE MODULES can destroy an exhumer in high-sec space in a suicide gank. If u failed to notice a fleet of rookie ships b-linging it towards u. U desiver to lose the ship lol
Thankfully I'm among the smart miners out there that tank their mining ships. I have survived every suicide gank sent my way and every time that happens, I get a letter from the gankers telling me "nice job adapting". |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
183
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:06:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Militia LAVs are poo poo. Just one militia swarm launcher keeps free LAVs from going 20-0.
If you get lucky and the moron stays in one open area long enough for to get by multiple swarms from you. Unless something changed in the past few days militia swarm launchers don't even take out half the shields of a free lav with one hit. Even with my advanced swarm launcher & 3 enhanced damage mods; if one rocket misses the guy in the free lav will still survive and run off to the opposite side of the map to heal up or call in another one. |
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Operative 1174 Uuali
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
23
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:10:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you? Why don't you ask Al-Qaeda how many cars they used as explosive devices in market places? What about people running into other people with bombs strapped to their chests? You are seriously not making any sense with your logic here.
That's the difference between U.S. Marines and fucktarded Al-Qaeda. They are pussies and we are warriors. Just the same for LAV morons versus guys with guns.
Bring some combat back to this game CCP. Leave the mofo "urban" warfare gangsta crap for another game.
No reason why an LAV with no skills behind it couldn't do serious damage only when it's going full speed. Otherwise, it can just do some shield damage.
It's getting way out of hand when you have several people trying to insert their LAV into every little nook and cranny to get you rather than just get out and shoot. That's not the kind of combat game I had in mind when CCP made a big fuss about this game.
They should have just said, "Oh yeah, it's about running people over with cars". That would have saved me a lot of time. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3230
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:10:00 -
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The best idea that can really work is keep the damage, but only allow the damage to kick in if you are driving the LAV faster than say....... 3 to 5 mile per hour. Regardless of my stance in supporting LAVs as battering rams, I can't ignore the fact that it is silly that an LAV can kill me while moving at only 1 to 2 miles per hour. |
Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
189
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:20:00 -
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Well since you guys all want LAVs to kill people. CCP should do something to make it where driving an LAV to just to kill isn't viable, you will not want to do it, and it's not the safest thing to do. If they can make it to where people don't want to use them to kill then at least that's something. |
Aramis Madrigal
Sver true blood Public Disorder.
21
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:25:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! Or we can just remove the free LAV's altogether, forcing you to spend SP if you want to murder taxi. get rid of the free suits to. after all we cant let you infantry only players have your way. Actually would make this game so much better if you couldn't run militia gear outside of the academy or something. Just have to devise a way for people to make money if they run out of suits. The amount of people using starter fits in IB is staggering... and its kind of sad tbh.. kills any sort of competition when people are so worried about losing money they will go 0-15 in starter fits and go... herp derp look at all the money i made! the problem here is the competition....thats why i run free suits.....you wanna be hardcore thats fine.....dont drag me into it.
Not to put words into anyones mouth, but I think Zdubs point was that people should take the time to put together a decent fit. With a little bit of work, you can be effective without breaking the bank. For 10k-20k (with the help of a BPO or two) you can build a decent suit that will be able to adequately fill most roles and still make money. Regarding murder-taxis, I don't see it as a huge problem. Looking both ways before crossing the street applies in video games too. Anti-vehicle can be a place where a relatively low SP player can shine in public games. Swarm launchers do wonders to discourage players from riding around in free LAVs. |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
158
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:31:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:about people going 20-0 with just a free LAV?
Learn to look both ways before crossing the road. I don't know how many times I have to say this. Also, play with sound on, you know when they are coming. If you are part of the 20 side of 20-0 for the LAV, then you should be ashamed of yourself. |
Beld Errmon
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ Orion Empire
706
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:33:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGWjV0Q51w
Disgusting. what a douche bag thing to link. |
Kiro Justice
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
360
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:34:00 -
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I've never seen a free one go 20-0. Carry AV nades genius. |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
62
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:40:00 -
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This would be a simple fix if some things could be included.
LAVs tend to tear-ass around without regard to safety or common sense.
I say they need to model this more accurately.
When an LAV flips, make the driver take damage. Looking at the gunner, he sticks out way above the top of the vehicle. A flip should rightly decapitate him. Or at least damage him. The LAV should take damage, too.
When an LAV strikes an object that does not move (a wall, a turret, etc.) the driver, passengers and LAV should take damage.
Flipped over LAVs shouldn't auto flip. This wasn't in game when I started playing but may have been changed. I haven't checked for a while. Flipping an LAV back over should require action by the driver or passengers and shouldn't be fast. It should take 10 or 15 seconds.
Driving an LAV off a building should cause damage to the driver, passengers and LAV. Very tall buildings should kill them all or at least kill the LAV.
I have no problem with LAVs running over me but they should follow the laws of physics.
Munch |
Zelorian Dexter snr
DVC 514
6
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:48:00 -
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So let me get this right you want an LAV traveling fast to hit you and do no damage right................ |
Paran Tadec
Internal Error. League of Infamy
1177
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:53:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGWjV0Q51w Disgusting. what a douche bag thing to link.
still mad ? |
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Paran Tadec
Internal Error. League of Infamy
1177
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:54:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:I've never seen a free one go 20-0. Carry AV nades genius.
Except they dont work half the time? See LAV's run over AV nades all the time and survive. |
Paran Tadec
Internal Error. League of Infamy
1177
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:54:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:about people going 20-0 with just a free LAV?
Learn to look both ways before crossing the road. I don't know how many times I have to say this. Also, play with sound on, you know when they are coming. If you are part of the 20 side of 20-0 for the LAV, then you should be ashamed of yourself.
LAV can only be heard right before it runs you over. |
Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
189
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:02:00 -
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Zelorian Dexter snr wrote:So let me get this right you want an LAV traveling fast to hit you and do no damage right................ Yep, because they aren't there to kill, unless you're using the turret. |
Beld Errmon
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ Orion Empire
706
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:10:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGWjV0Q51w Disgusting. what a douche bag thing to link. still mad ?
Why would i be mad, Im not the one who will probably be posting from an alt tomorrow.
Chances are though you don't grasp the meaning of disgust, being a brain dead assburgers kid, so here i'll give you a link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgust |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
841
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:12:00 -
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Aramis Madrigal wrote:Not to put words into anyones mouth, but I think Zdubs point was that people should take the time to put together a decent fit. With a little bit of work, you can be effective without breaking the bank. For 10k-20k (with the help of a BPO or two) you can build a decent suit that will be able to adequately fill most roles and still make money. Regarding murder-taxis, I don't see it as a huge problem. Looking both ways before crossing the street applies in video games too. Anti-vehicle can be a place where a relatively low SP player can shine in public games. Swarm launchers do wonders to discourage players from riding around in free LAVs.
Thank you, that is exactly what I meant. Standard gear is miles better than militia and still quite cheap. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4931
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:20:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Welcome to New Eden. The galaxy in which anything goes.
You mean the Ocean in which anything goes, since we move like crabpeople, have vehicles that might as well be sharks, wide open areas that kill you if you stay in them too long.....come on man, this is 514 Leagues Under the Sea and you know it. |
Skipper Jones
ZionTCD
335
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:24:00 -
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Alucard Fang wrote:
Remove the ability for the LAV to damage/kill.
Terrible idea.
If a car runs you over it should kill you.
You guys are completely overreacting. Just nerf their resistance to AV. So people COULD you MLT LAVs, but the are just gonna be glass cannons.
That requires them to skill into vehicles if they want to be driving around more of a glass cannon. |
Skipper Jones
ZionTCD
336
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:30:00 -
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Alucard Fang wrote:No game has it as bad as this one. I've played Battlefield 3 for hours and hours and hours. And I hardly ever seen anyone get run over, because you know, you're supposed to shoot them. You don't see US Marines driving Humvee over Muslims in the Middle East do you?
You're lack of knowledge to REAL wars is insulating.
1) IRL Wars aren't fought on a map where people respawn 2) IRL There are soo many AV weapons that trying to drive through an enemy base trying to run people over is insane 3) IRL Vehicles cost money so you won't see vehicles galore. If it gets destroyed that money, and people won't just keep sending in vehicles to get destroyed. 4) Enemies aren't usually out in the open so even if there happened to be a vehicle, it would be very hard to run someone over.
It insults me when people say in FPS " DO U THINK THEY DO THAT IN REAL LIFE? DIS GAME IS SO UNREALISTIC"
If you are looking for realism, don't play an FPS |
howard sanchez
DUST University Ivy League
603
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:40:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:You know the solution? Think of this. LAVs can no longer cause damage, so running into people will not kill them or damage them. It's the only way. DO IT CCP! Or we can just remove the free LAV's altogether, forcing you to spend SP if you want to murder taxi. No. Murder Taxis shouldn't exist. They're intended for transport or logistics or assault with the turret, you should not be able to run over people. You do realize most murder taxi *bleeps* skilled into LAVs right? Remove the ability for the LAV to damage/kill. Sure, LAVs are primarily intended for transport and logistics, but players should be allowed free reign on how to use those things beyond their intended design. In Eve Online there was this one player who was able to destroy mission-running battleship with just a simple industrial hauler. There was also a time in which batttleships (before mining ships came into existence) were primarily used for mining. What about Chribba? He has a dreadnaught floating in Amarr and he only uses it for mining. Thus the term Veldnaught was coined. Again, another tool being used outside of its intended design yet CCP allowed them to continue. Maken, none of those examples alter the very nature of gameplay for the majority of players. The use of LAVs as a primary weapon does, in fact, alter the gameplay in DUST for everyone. All the time.
That is why this situation goes beyond 'sandbox choices' and well into game balance issues. |
loumanchew
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:47:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:
I'd also like for LAV's to actually show uo on radar further than 10 meters away. We can travel across the universe in seconds, but a suit cant detect a car driving towards you at 30m.
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