F2P model has shown to be more profitable overall. You don't pay up front for a game but are more willing to make lots of smaller transactions. One time fees drive off players up front as they expect more from a game they "purchased."

The fixes & content updates have little to do with money, CCP has plenty I assure you. More of a small team most likely.

I know for a fact that im not the only that thinks this way.

Worst. Idea. Ever.

personally I would say dust is not successful right now for a large number of factors, one of which is because we have no pro league with cash prizes to drive people into the game who want to win money. If we had 1000 dollar tournaments or prize pools this game could start development on competitive gaming that makes games like this popular.

Right now dust has no competitive gaming.

The current model needs tweaks but I feel long run its more sustainable then any other model. CCP has a ton of changes to make to their current model to maximize the player experience as well as earn profits.

but the nice thing about a F2P model like this is that it gives devs a reason every day to improve the game and maximize long term profitability and player base.

However can that be hybridized somehow with a optional sub base or a optional one time purchase? Sure I would not have a prob with that if it was done well.

Slightly bad idea. Ever played DCUO? The game quickly became F2P but P2W, as they continued to release expansions with new abilities and more powerful weapons/trinkets. People who didn't pay for it or become legendary had no hope to keep up regardless of skill or experience, causing the game to be hopelessly P2W and bringing decimating the non-subscribed playerbase.

Competitive gaming would mean removal of all SP.

So basically your argument is because someone did it wrong means it cannot be done right?

That's not true at all it just means tournaments have to be set up to accommodate such factors. Having competitive play in a MMO is not impossible.

That all depends on what these "Optionally Subscribed" players got for their money. If it was guns no one else has access to then HELL NO! But maybe a few active boosters a month, to insure they continued to play, and that they still have to work at their SP, then sure. I only said it was a slightly bad idea because the traditional cop-out is obvious and a quick road to P2W

Your right they do it on Planeside but the games sheer numbers make up for SP imbalances.
Dust has small vs groups so SP would be a huge factor and if you know anything about comp play, they are very picky on everything that shows the slightest imbalance.

The game has to stand on its 2 feet at some point. Whether you bracket tournaments like you would weight classes in boxing or have unrestricted leagues really comes down to getting out there and testing testing testing testing the features until it works like it should as long as the testing is done responsibly.

Hiding from it is not gonna make it any better nor is it going to help take the game anywhere your always going to have growing pains. And i would rather have growing pains then being stagnant.

Why is it so hard for you fan boys to understand that Sony gave CCP the biggest exposure to a willing gamer base on the friggin planet and CCP screwed it up.

60 million gamers....and CCP can't even get 5000 of them to play their game at the same time.

Yeah...

Their exposure was a tab on the top right and a tile on the PSN store.


Why is it so hard for you haters to understand that your arguments are stupid?

Why is it so hard for you fan boys to understand that Sony gave CCP the biggest exposure to a willing gamer base on the friggin planet and CCP screwed it up.

60 million gamers....and CCP can't even get 5000 of them to play their game at the same time.

im ********

Why is it so hard for you fan boys to understand that Sony gave CCP the biggest exposure to a willing gamer base on the friggin planet and CCP screwed it up.

60 million gamers....and CCP can't even get 5000 of them to play their game at the same time.

If we can ditch arumin exchange for a sub I would do that in a heart beat the free to play model just leads to sub par games end off iv not seen one good example where it worked well

all this thread was is a view at what could be a big part of the problem, seriously, to you guys that are insulting me for this thread, I don't see any of you coming up with ideas on how to get this game to be successful, seriously.

you call me stupid for this yet you don't have the balls to come up with something yourselves? at least im TRYING to figure out ways to help instead of trashing every thread that could lead to something.

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League of Legends
DoTA 2
Tera Online
Team Fortress 2
Planetside 2
Tribes Ascend
Neverwinter (The new PW one)
WarFrame

all this thread was is a view at what could be a big part of the problem, seriously, to you guys that are insulting me for this thread, I don't see any of you coming up with ideas on how to get this game to be successful, seriously.

you call me stupid for this yet you don't have the balls to come up with something yourselves? at least im TRYING to figure out ways to help instead of trashing every thread that could lead to something.

The problem is not the business model; it's the state of the game.

You mention how successful Eve Online is - did you know how tiny the playerbase was on that in the first year or so? Less than Dust right now. It was an absolute mess of a game and simply bad but the reason it is now so successful is that CCP kept at it for years, listened to their playerbase and made it better gradually.

Dust 514 is still in its infancy and has a long long way to go - you've got to think about the long-game with this one. It's not like your boxed games that you buy off the high street.

Making the game better will make it more successful - there is no problem with the business side of things - there is nothing I can add to this conversation to offer a solution to your problem because you've diagnosed the problem wrong.

If we can ditch arumin exchange for a sub I would do that in a heart beat the free to play model just leads to sub par games end off iv not seen one good example where it worked well

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1019133#post1019133


What was that?

then how is that eve online has a much larger player base yet it has a subscription fee?

im not really sure if its true that some of the eve online income has anything to do with dust 514 updates. but I do see your point

were you one of the people that were insulting me over this thread

EVE Online is a subscription game and look at how it is the most successful mmo on pc and has lasted for 10 years in the gamer universe, it has constant updates, ranging from adding new features to fixing the known bugs and problems of the game.

Dust 514 is NOT a subscription game and therefore has no steady income of money to be used for improvements, all it has is aurum and that's not really worth the pennies unless your getting passive and active boosters.

I am NOT saying that Dust 514 has to be a subscription game, that would make things worse for the player base, the best thing to happen would be a one time fee to play the game. Like buying a cd game your going to play on the playstation 3 or whatever console you have, those companies make profit from selling their games at $60 for the 1st few months then lowering the price to keep revenue coming in and thus having the funds to create the next game that will be better than their previous production.

If there was a one time fee to play Dust 514 at $29.99-$49.99 and the current player base size of a little over 4000, CCP would be making a little over $200,000 every 4000 players, thus giving them the funds they need to improve gameplay, mechanics, bug fixed, glitch patches, add new items to the game, and so on.

I understand that this is free to play, but look at what has resulted in that choice, im not saying to make this game subscription based, just put in a ONE TIME payment to play this game and CCP will have the funds they NEED to make this game better.

The price for it would be up to CCP because it is their game, but it will not work if its over $60.

this would be the 1s step towards making Dust 514 the game it is meant to be.

Bro STFU

Im starting to think you work for CCP

with Chrome's hit detection

EVE Online is a subscription game and look at how it is the most successful mmo on pc and has lasted for 10 years in the gamer universe, it has constant updates, ranging from adding new features to fixing the known bugs and problems of the game.

Dust 514 is NOT a subscription game and therefore has no steady income of money to be used for improvements, all it has is aurum and that's not really worth the pennies unless your getting passive and active boosters.

I am NOT saying that Dust 514 has to be a subscription game, that would make things worse for the player base, the best thing to happen would be a one time fee to play the game. Like buying a cd game your going to play on the playstation 3 or whatever console you have, those companies make profit from selling their games at $60 for the 1st few months then lowering the price to keep revenue coming in and thus having the funds to create the next game that will be better than their previous production.

If there was a one time fee to play Dust 514 at $29.99-$49.99 and the current player base size of a little over 4000, CCP would be making a little over $200,000 every 4000 players, thus giving them the funds they need to improve gameplay, mechanics, bug fixed, glitch patches, add new items to the game, and so on.

I understand that this is free to play, but look at what has resulted in that choice, im not saying to make this game subscription based, just put in a ONE TIME payment to play this game and CCP will have the funds they NEED to make this game better.

The price for it would be up to CCP because it is their game, but it will not work if its over $60.

this would be the 1s step towards making Dust 514 the game it is meant to be.

I honestly don't see a problem with hitting things. Like ever. I only see a few people still complaining about it since 1.2 hit.

then how is that eve online has a much larger player base yet it has a subscription fee?

im not really sure if its true that some of the eve online income has anything to do with dust 514 updates. but I do see your point

Dude, GFY, idiot. if I worked for CCP, then vehicles wouldn't be in the position they are now dumbass

then how is that eve online has a much larger player base yet it has a subscription fee?

im not really sure if its true that some of the eve online income has anything to do with dust 514 updates. but I do see your point

EVE Online is a subscription game and look at how it is the most successful mmo on pc and has lasted for 10 years in the gamer universe, it has constant updates, ranging from adding new features to fixing the known bugs and problems of the game.

Dust 514 is NOT a subscription game and therefore has no steady income of money to be used for improvements, all it has is aurum and that's not really worth the pennies unless your getting passive and active boosters.

I am NOT saying that Dust 514 has to be a subscription game, that would make things worse for the player base, the best thing to happen would be a one time fee to play the game. Like buying a cd game your going to play on the playstation 3 or whatever console you have, those companies make profit from selling their games at $60 for the 1st few months then lowering the price to keep revenue coming in and thus having the funds to create the next game that will be better than their previous production.

If there was a one time fee to play Dust 514 at $29.99-$49.99 and the current player base size of a little over 4000, CCP would be making a little over $200,000 every 4000 players, thus giving them the funds they need to improve gameplay, mechanics, bug fixed, glitch patches, add new items to the game, and so on.

I understand that this is free to play, but look at what has resulted in that choice, im not saying to make this game subscription based, just put in a ONE TIME payment to play this game and CCP will have the funds they NEED to make this game better.

The price for it would be up to CCP because it is their game, but it will not work if its over $60.

this would be the 1s step towards making Dust 514 the game it is meant to be.

then how is that eve online has a much larger player base yet it has a subscription fee?

im not really sure if its true that some of the eve online income has anything to do with dust 514 updates. but I do see your point

The major reason DUST isn't successful atm is passive sp for time-in-match.

It's an amaturish mechanic and that wrecks the new player experience and telegraphs very quickly to reviewers.

then how is that eve online has a much larger player base yet it has a subscription fee?

im not really sure if its true that some of the eve online income has anything to do with dust 514 updates. but I do see your point

personally I would say dust is not successful right now for a large number of factors, one of which is because we have no pro league with cash prizes to drive people into the game who want to win money. If we had 1000 dollar tournaments or prize pools this game could start development on competitive gaming that makes games like this popular.

Right now dust has no competitive gaming.

then how is that eve online has a much larger player base yet it has a subscription fee?

im not really sure if its true that some of the eve online income has anything to do with dust 514 updates. but I do see your point

Honestly, I would not be opposed at all to paying a fee of around $30-$40 dollars as long as that means it allows the developers of dust to get things done faster, and more efficiently.

I know for a fact that im not the only that thinks this way.