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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:08:00 -
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The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS. Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's. But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)
So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.
Don't care which, just make them behave as should. |
Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:11:00 -
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They can decrease my range when they give me drones. |
ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:14:00 -
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I honestly wouldn't expect remnant to balance anything until combat and rail rifle are out.
At which point I suspect we'll see a whirlwind of changes occuring.
And then he'll release more racial variants, and then more FOTM, rebalancing, etc.
I don't envy his job lol. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:14:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:They can decrease my range when they give me drones. I want my drones too :( |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:15:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I honestly wouldn't expect remnant to balance anything until combat and rail rifle are out.
At which point I suspect we'll see a whirlwind of changes occuring.
And then he'll release more racial variants, and then more FOTM, rebalancing, etc.
I don't envy his job lol. Make everything OP. If everything is OP, it's all balanced. |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:15:00 -
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One thing i've learned so far: Don't **** off the AR community or go against the AR Community... |
STABBEY
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:30:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS. Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's. But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)
So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.
Don't care which, just make them behave as should.
Assault rifles arent easy mode and to me the AR range is not that great IMO. I've used AR's since the game came out its just what i prefer to use. I will not spec into the random OP weapons that come out once a month because everything gets nerfed eventualy.
Also, There was a silent nerf to AR's with 1.2 I'm not sure exactly what the hell they did to it but it dosent feel right to me |
ReGnYuM
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:31:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:One thing i've learned so far: Don't **** off the AR community or go against the AR Community...
This is a lesson many FPS Devs learn |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:43:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:NAV HIV wrote:One thing i've learned so far: Don't **** off the AR community or go against the AR Community... This is a lesson many FPS Devs learn Oh hai reg. What is your twitch channel name? |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:44:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Cat Merc wrote:The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS. Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's. But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)
So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.
Don't care which, just make them behave as should. Assault rifles arent easy mode and to me the AR range is not that great IMO. I've used AR's since the game came out its just what i prefer to use. I will not spec into the random OP weapons that come out once a month because everything gets nerfed eventualy. Also, There was a silent nerf to AR's with 1.2 I'm not sure exactly what the hell they did to it but it dosent feel right to me Who said anything about EZ mode? I'm asking for the weapons to work as intended, nothing else. |
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Cat Merc wrote:The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS. Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's. But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)
So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.
Don't care which, just make them behave as should. Assault rifles arent easy mode and to me the AR range is not that great IMO. I've used AR's since the game came out its just what i prefer to use. I will not spec into the random OP weapons that come out once a month because everything gets nerfed eventualy. Also, There was a silent nerf to AR's with 1.2 I'm not sure exactly what the hell they did to it but it dosent feel right to me Who said anything about EZ mode? I'm asking for the weapons to work as intended, nothing else.
But ARs, especially being hitscan, are EZ mode. Sorry, but true. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:47:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Cat Merc wrote:The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS. Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's. But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)
So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.
Don't care which, just make them behave as should. Assault rifles arent easy mode and to me the AR range is not that great IMO. I've used AR's since the game came out its just what i prefer to use. I will not spec into the random OP weapons that come out once a month because everything gets nerfed eventualy. Also, There was a silent nerf to AR's with 1.2 I'm not sure exactly what the hell they did to it but it dosent feel right to me Who said anything about EZ mode? I'm asking for the weapons to work as intended, nothing else. But ARs, especially being hitscan, are EZ mode. Sorry, but true. Bud, most of the weapons are hit scan. Only stuff like the godlock, the mass driver, the forge gun, etc', are not hit scan. |
ChromeBreaker
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:49:00 -
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When we get rail rifles, and compact rifles.... |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:49:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Cat Merc wrote:The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS. Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's. But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)
So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.
Don't care which, just make them behave as should. Assault rifles arent easy mode and to me the AR range is not that great IMO. I've used AR's since the game came out its just what i prefer to use. I will not spec into the random OP weapons that come out once a month because everything gets nerfed eventualy. Also, There was a silent nerf to AR's with 1.2 I'm not sure exactly what the hell they did to it but it dosent feel right to me Who said anything about EZ mode? I'm asking for the weapons to work as intended, nothing else. But ARs, especially being hitscan, are EZ mode. Sorry, but true. Bud, most of the weapons are hit scan. Only stuff like the godlock, the mass driver, the forge gun, etc', are not hit scan.
Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:52:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote: Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.
Like? |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:54:00 -
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If the breach AR was a little better, it would be my go to rifle. |
Oso Peresoso
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:54:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
Don't care which, just make them behave as should.
Assault rifles are rifles, not SMGs. I don't know where you get this idea anything Gallente must be shortrange by definition.
Cat Merc wrote: Bud, most of the weapons are hit scan. Only stuff like the godlock, the mass driver, the forge gun, etc', are not hit scan.
Also, this. I can't imagine how aiming at the thing you're trying to kill is Cheesier than aiming in the general area and relying on splash damage. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:55:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:If the breach AR was a little better, it would be my go to rifle. It should have more DPS than a standard rifle. It has less range after a..... Wait a second... Was this supposed to be the Gallente Plasma Launcher? Holy ballz the Gallente are screwed, CCP as usual favor Caldari. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:56:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
Don't care which, just make them behave as should.
Assault rifles are rifles, not SMGs. I don't know where you get this idea anything Gallente must be shortrange by definition. It's a blaster. From EVE, blasters are short range but extremely high DPS. Also, the devs said it themselves. And I wasn't talking SMG range, more like Breach AR. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:58:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:If the breach AR was a little better, it would be my go to rifle. It should have more DPS than a standard rifle. It has less range after a..... Wait a second... Was this supposed to be the Gallente Plasma Rifle? Holy ballz the Gallente are screwed, CCP as usual favor Caldari. XD
It is a bit sad. Its not terrible, it just needs a little more dmg or a larger mag. |
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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:59:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
Don't care which, just make them behave as should.
Assault rifles are rifles, not SMGs. I don't know where you get this idea anything Gallente must be shortrange by definition. Cat Merc wrote: Bud, most of the weapons are hit scan. Only stuff like the godlock, the mass driver, the forge gun, etc', are not hit scan.
Also, this. I can't imagine how aiming at the thing you're trying to kill is Cheesier than aiming in the general area and relying on splash damage.
Short range for rifles is a lot different than short range for SMGs. |
DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:01:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:If the breach AR was a little better, it would be my go to rifle. Breach AR is fine. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:03:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote: Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.
Like? Overheating? As one example. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:04:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:If the breach AR was a little better, it would be my go to rifle. It should have more DPS than a standard rifle. It has less range after a..... Wait a second... Was this supposed to be the Gallente Plasma Rifle? Holy ballz the Gallente are screwed, CCP as usual favor Caldari. XD It is a bit sad. Its not terrible, it just needs a little more dmg or a larger mag. It has 100 less DPS than a normal AR. It should be the opposite. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:05:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:If the breach AR was a little better, it would be my go to rifle. Breach AR is fine. At higher levels, with a complex dmg mod or 2...yes it is...or you can just use a exile and save the extra 25k per suit (thats what I do anyway) |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:05:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote: Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.
Like? Overheating? As one example. SMG has overheating? Shotgun has overheating? HMG and Assault SCR, while yes have overheating, the former takes a whole clip to overheat, the latter takes 2 clips. |
BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:06:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote: Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.
Like? Overheating? As one example.
Well the Gallente gotta have something that isn't a POS right? |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:06:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
Don't care which, just make them behave as should.
Assault rifles are rifles, not SMGs. I don't know where you get this idea anything Gallente must be shortrange by definition. Cat Merc wrote: Bud, most of the weapons are hit scan. Only stuff like the godlock, the mass driver, the forge gun, etc', are not hit scan.
Also, this. I can't imagine how aiming at the thing you're trying to kill is Cheesier than aiming in the general area and relying on splash damage.
Think, hitscan. Point and click. Projectile travel requires prediction, and thus, is inherently less accurate, thus less EZ.
Actually, Cat Merc is right on about ARs, they are actually blasters in Eve lore. The fact that they're called rifles means nothing. They fire plasma, and are supposed to be the shortest range type of weapon in New Eden. In Dust, this would translate to being the shortest range guns in the AR type, meaning ARs, SR, and the upcoming rifles.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:06:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:If the breach AR was a little better, it would be my go to rifle. Breach AR is fine. Not at all. Less range. Less DPS. Less clip size. It was OP once, never recovered from the nerf bat. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:07:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote: Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.
Like? Overheating? As one example. SMG has overheating? Shotgun has overheating? HMG and Assault SCR, while yes have overheating, the former takes a whole clip to overheat, the latter takes 2 clips.
SMG and Shotgun both have shorter ranges. You can read right? Where I said - as one example?
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