They can decrease my range when they give me drones.

I honestly wouldn't expect remnant to balance anything until combat and rail rifle are out.

At which point I suspect we'll see a whirlwind of changes occuring.

And then he'll release more racial variants, and then more FOTM, rebalancing, etc.

I don't envy his job lol.

The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS.
Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's.
But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)

So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.

Don't care which, just make them behave as should.

One thing i've learned so far: Don't **** off the AR community or go against the AR Community...

This is a lesson many FPS Devs learn

Assault rifles arent easy mode and to me the AR range is not that great IMO. I've used AR's since the game came out its just what i prefer to use. I will not spec into the random OP weapons that come out once a month because everything gets nerfed eventualy.

Also, There was a silent nerf to AR's with 1.2 I'm not sure exactly what the hell they did to it but it dosent feel right to me

Who said anything about EZ mode?
I'm asking for the weapons to work as intended, nothing else.

But ARs, especially being hitscan, are EZ mode. Sorry, but true.

Bud, most of the weapons are hit scan.
Only stuff like the godlock, the mass driver, the forge gun, etc', are not hit scan.

Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.

Don't care which, just make them behave as should.

Bud, most of the weapons are hit scan.
Only stuff like the godlock, the mass driver, the forge gun, etc', are not hit scan.

If the breach AR was a little better, it would be my go to rifle.

Assault rifles are rifles, not SMGs. I don't know where you get this idea anything Gallente must be shortrange by definition.

It should have more DPS than a standard rifle.
It has less range after a.....
Wait a second...
Was this supposed to be the Gallente Plasma Rifle?
Holy ballz the Gallente are screwed, CCP as usual favor Caldari.

Assault rifles are rifles, not SMGs. I don't know where you get this idea anything Gallente must be shortrange by definition.



Also, this. I can't imagine how aiming at the thing you're trying to kill is Cheesier than aiming in the general area and relying on splash damage.

If the breach AR was a little better, it would be my go to rifle.

Like?

XD

It is a bit sad. Its not terrible, it just needs a little more dmg or a larger mag.

Breach AR is fine.

Overheating? As one example.

Overheating? As one example.

Assault rifles are rifles, not SMGs. I don't know where you get this idea anything Gallente must be shortrange by definition.



Also, this. I can't imagine how aiming at the thing you're trying to kill is Cheesier than aiming in the general area and relying on splash damage.

Breach AR is fine.

SMG has overheating?
Shotgun has overheating?
HMG and Assault SCR, while yes have overheating, the former takes a whole clip to overheat, the latter takes 2 clips.

It's a blaster.
From EVE, blasters are short range but extremely high DPS.

And I wasn't talking SMG range, more like Breach AR.

Overheating? As one example.

SMG and Shotgun both have shorter ranges. Shotgun has a tiny magazine, SMG has worse spread.

You can read right? Where I said - as one example?

So ? The tiniest blasters you can find in Eve still have a 500m optimal using the shortest range ammo with no skill bonuses.



and those are awful. I guess if it was a light-weapon sized gun that outclassed the SMG at both midrange and CQC hipfiring then that would be cool. In this case they should just be called plasma rifles or blaster rifles and get a new sound. Then the minmatar rifles can be called combat rifles, and the word "assault" can be fully reserved for weapon variants instead of being its own thing for the gallente rifles.

You were saying how EZ mode hit scan weapons are.
What the hell does range have to do with it?
What about the rail rifle coming Soon(TM)?
It will be a long range low fire rate high damage.

We're talking about hand held weaponry, not spaceships with blasters larger than a tank.

And the breach being awful has to do with CCP nerfing the crap out of this weapon.
It was OP once, and never recovered from the nerf bat.
It has 100 less DPS and a smaller clip.

Yes, hitscan weapons are the easiest type of weapon. EZ mode. I stated that most of the hitscan weapons in Dust have negatives to counteract their EZ mode, but ARs not so much.

I think I have made my case.

Not arguing, just commenting. However the frigate sized light electron blasters are probably smaller than the main gun on a tank.

Of course they don't.
AR's are all around weapons.
They don't do anything spectacular, they're just mediocre at anything, so they're adaptable.
Fun fact: SMG has more DPS than an AR >_>

Case still open.

Except, they aren't mediocre. That's the issue I have with them. If they were mediocre in the generalist role, that would be balanced. They're not though, they're really good at their generalist role.

Fun fact: SMG has more dps in it's shorter range. That's called a niche. The ARs niche should be wide, but it should also not be dominant across such a wide niche. Simple logic really, deep vs wide. The AR has both.

Take a look:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678&find=unread

The data shows the most used weapons.
They're the most used BECAUSE they're mediocre at everything, instead of terrible at one thing but excellent at another.
People like to be ready for everything.

Besides, why do people always complain about the Gallente AR when the Amarr scrambler rifle pretty much does the same thing?
The assault scrambler rifle, the one that takes 2 clips to overheat.
So don't pull that on me.

Because the Gallente AR is OP, and the SR isn't? Hint: It's used so much because it's EZ mode.

The Gallente AR and the ASCR are almost the exact same gun, except the ASCR is a little bit slower and does more damage to shields. The Gallente AR has 0.36% more DPS than the ASCR, but the ASCR has more accuracy. The ranges I do agree are messed up, but in reality the ASCR should have higher range and lower DPS, while the Gallente AR should have lower range and higher DPS.

Just curious to see if any of you know what plasma (what the Gallente AR fires) is composed of? Plasma is composed of subatomic particles traveling a near light speeds. Light travels at roughly 186,000 mil/sec. Now with the distances involved in combat in Dust, the time to target, for anything fired from an AR would be imperceivable. Not to mention other weapons, such as the scrambler rifle and laser rifle, which fire munitions bases on laser technology: photons traveling inside a wave, taveling at literaly the speed of light.

I imagine that the Caldari rail rifle will not be a hit scan weapon, just as the rail turret has projectile flight time. But then again I could be wrong; the SMG fires a projectile as well and I believe it is also hit scan (which makes no sence). But I am not entirely sure about the SMG (such short distances involved) I could be wrong.

Just curious to see if any of you know what plasma (what the Gallente AR fires) is composed of? Plasma is composed of subatomic particles traveling a near light speeds. Light travels at roughly 186,000 mil/sec. Now with the distances involved in combat in Dust, the time to target, for anything fired from an AR would be imperceivable. Not to mention other weapons, such as the scrambler rifle and laser rifle, which fire munitions bases on laser technology: photons traveling inside a wave, taveling at literaly the speed of light.

I imagine that the Caldari rail rifle will not be a hit scan weapon, just as the rail turret has projectile flight time. But then again I could be wrong; the SMG fires a projectile as well and I believe it is also hit scan (which makes no sence). But I am not entirely sure about the SMG (such short distances involved) I could be wrong.

Maby the AR is exactly where its supposed to be and u just have unrealistic expectations ?

So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.

Don't care which, just make them behave as should.

Plasma also disperses rapidly in the atmosphere so a short range plasma weapon makes sense.

On the DPS side it could be a projectile that generates plasma on impact, but that would mean it would have some sort of splash damage and DOT effects because plasma is extremely hot and would probably melt armor since our armor is made of steel . And depending how many volts are being discharged it could completely fry anything that is electronic or at least disrupt it.

Actually Amarr heavy armor is made from steel.
Gallente use some kind of organic material.
Think carbon nanotubes.

I very much doubt any of the suits are made from anything as boring as steel

Plasma also disperses rapidly in the atmosphere so a short range plasma weapon makes sense.

On the DPS side it could be a projectile that generates plasma on impact, but that would mean it would have some sort of splash damage and DOT effects because plasma is extremely hot and would probably melt armor since our armor is made of steel . And depending how many volts are being discharged it could completely fry anything that is electronic or at least disrupt it.

Well right now in 2013 we know of certain carbon chains that are lighter but have chemical bonds stronger than that of steel. Thus if this applied to this game, a armor suit would actually be faster and stronger than a shield suit that would probably have to carry bulky electronics to generate the shield.

Actually, if you read thedescription for the AR I do believe that it says that the AR fires a projectile that guides the plasma (via some kind of magnetic containment I would imagine). However this projectile would have to be traveling exceedingly fast, or the plasma would simply bottleneck and disperse in atmosphere.

Sic-fi, not so convincing when you know a good deal about physics

The Gallente suit armor is made out of an organic compound.
The plates aren't.

The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS.
Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's.
But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)

So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.

Don't care which, just make them behave as should.

True that, although if it wasnt for Sci-fi we wouldn't think of a lot of the crazy technology we have now.

:I that's just silly now, its like using a proto compressed rail gun, but as a caveat it shoots rocks.

Well.
The plates are also made to work with Amarr suits.
Which are made out of stuff that slows them down.
Which is why they are slower :X

Typical CCP hating the Gallente.

Sir Arthur C. Clarke is my hero.

There should be plates exclusive to Gallente that don't reduce your speed but still give you the same HP.
jk

Honestly, that's what I see reactive plates as, but they need some work to actually be viable for that role.

Look at the most recent dev post, I wish we got that type of dev post when it comes to infantry balance.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

As far as the Reactive Plates, you'll see in the balance suggestion thread that Cat Merc and I put together that he suggests doubling the HP of Reactive Plates.

That would mean you would get 90 hp per plate at the Proto level, 25 less than the Proto standard plates, but you get the repair function in exchange.

If I recall correctly, and I may be wrong on the number, Reactive Plates rep 2 hp/s at the Proto level.

That would mean that with no other changes made, a Gallente Assault suit with 4 Reactive Plates would have 360 hp, and rep that hp at 8 hp/s.

Aaaaaaand now we're off-topic.

On the original topic, I think that giving the AR-type weapons similar absolute ranges but differing amounts of damage falloff over range would probably work best to differentiate them, but still make them all viable such that you aren't forced to spec into other races to be competitive.

So, for instance, the Gallente AR-type weapons would have the lowest damage output at Absolute range, but the highest damage up close, and a more dramatic drop-off to damage output as you get further from your target.

Look at the most recent dev post, I wish we got that type of dev post when it comes to infantry balance.

I think once all the weapons are released they will fall into place, but all the weapons need a slight damage buff and some balancing nerfs/buffs with ranges. Also strafing speeds while ADS need to be toned down because it really defeats the purpose of some weapons.

I think what we really need is an increased to dispersion build-rate while in ADS using a fully-automatic weapon. Right now, you can nearly empty your magazine before the dispersion starts to kick in.

I think you should really start having to think about letting go of the trigger for a second by the time you get to the 15th round at the very least.

That would make strafe fights last longer :(

Make everything OP.
If everything is OP, it's all balanced.