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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Cat Merc wrote:The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS.
Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's.
But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)
So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.
Don't care which, just make them behave as should. Assault rifles arent easy mode and to me the AR range is not that great IMO. I've used AR's since the game came out its just what i prefer to use. I will not spec into the random OP weapons that come out once a month because everything gets nerfed eventualy. Also, There was a silent nerf to AR's with 1.2 I'm not sure exactly what the hell they did to it but it dosent feel right to me  Who said anything about EZ mode? I'm asking for the weapons to work as intended, nothing else.
But ARs, especially being hitscan, are EZ mode. Sorry, but true. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:49:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Cat Merc wrote:The Gallente Assault rifle is supposed to be short range high DPS.
Now, when I'm saying short range, I'm not talking about shotgun range (I saw some people expecting it to have shotgun range, which is silly), I'm saying shortest of all racial AR's.
But currently, the Amarr scrambler rifle, both the auto and semi fire versions have either the same or less range than the Gal AR, and the DPS difference is tiny at best. (Comparing to the full auto scram rifle, 2 DPS difference lol)
So either increase SCR range and reduce DPS, or reduce Gal AR range and increase DPS.
Don't care which, just make them behave as should. Assault rifles arent easy mode and to me the AR range is not that great IMO. I've used AR's since the game came out its just what i prefer to use. I will not spec into the random OP weapons that come out once a month because everything gets nerfed eventualy. Also, There was a silent nerf to AR's with 1.2 I'm not sure exactly what the hell they did to it but it dosent feel right to me Who said anything about EZ mode? I'm asking for the weapons to work as intended, nothing else. But ARs, especially being hitscan, are EZ mode. Sorry, but true. Bud, most of the weapons are hit scan. Only stuff like the godlock, the mass driver, the forge gun, etc', are not hit scan.
Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:03:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.
Like?
Overheating? As one example. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:06:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
Don't care which, just make them behave as should.
Assault rifles are rifles, not SMGs. I don't know where you get this idea anything Gallente must be shortrange by definition. Cat Merc wrote:
Bud, most of the weapons are hit scan.
Only stuff like the godlock, the mass driver, the forge gun, etc', are not hit scan.
Also, this. I can't imagine how aiming at the thing you're trying to kill is Cheesier than aiming in the general area and relying on splash damage.
Think, hitscan. Point and click. Projectile travel requires prediction, and thus, is inherently less accurate, thus less EZ.
Actually, Cat Merc is right on about ARs, they are actually blasters in Eve lore. The fact that they're called rifles means nothing. They fire plasma, and are supposed to be the shortest range type of weapon in New Eden. In Dust, this would translate to being the shortest range guns in the AR type, meaning ARs, SR, and the upcoming rifles.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:07:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Hitscan weapons are cheeze. The AR is EZ mode partially because of this. Most of the weapons are hitscan, which makes them easier, but most of the hitscan weapons have drawbacks that help. ARs don't really.
Like? Overheating? As one example. SMG has overheating? Shotgun has overheating? HMG and Assault SCR, while yes have overheating, the former takes a whole clip to overheat, the latter takes 2 clips.
SMG and Shotgun both have shorter ranges. You can read right? Where I said - as one example?
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:13:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Overheating? As one example. SMG has overheating? Shotgun has overheating? HMG and Assault SCR, while yes have overheating, the former takes a whole clip to overheat, the latter takes 2 clips. SMG and Shotgun both have shorter ranges. Shotgun has a tiny magazine, SMG has worse spread. You can read right? Where I said - as one example? You were saying how EZ mode hit scan weapons are. What the hell does range have to do with it? What about the rail rifle coming Soon(TM)? It will be a long range low fire rate high damage.
Yes, hitscan weapons are the easiest type of weapon. EZ mode. I stated that most of the hitscan weapons in Dust have negatives to counteract their EZ mode, but ARs not so much.
I think I have made my case.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:19:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Yes, hitscan weapons are the easiest type of weapon. EZ mode. I stated that most of the hitscan weapons in Dust have negatives to counteract their EZ mode, but ARs not so much.
I think I have made my case.
Of course they don't. AR's are all around weapons. They don't do anything spectacular, they're just mediocre at anything, so they're adaptable. Fun fact: SMG has more DPS than an AR >_> Case still open.
Except, they aren't mediocre. That's the issue I have with them. If they were mediocre in the generalist role, that would be balanced. They're not though, they're really good at their generalist role.
Fun fact: SMG has more dps in it's shorter range. That's called a niche. The ARs niche should be wide, but it should also not be dominant across such a wide niche. Simple logic really, deep vs wide. The AR has both.
Take a look:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678&find=unread |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:28:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Yes, hitscan weapons are the easiest type of weapon. EZ mode. I stated that most of the hitscan weapons in Dust have negatives to counteract their EZ mode, but ARs not so much.
I think I have made my case.
Of course they don't. AR's are all around weapons. They don't do anything spectacular, they're just mediocre at anything, so they're adaptable. Fun fact: SMG has more DPS than an AR >_> Case still open. Except, they aren't mediocre. That's the issue I have with them. If they were mediocre in the generalist role, that would be balanced. They're not though, they're really good at their generalist role. Fun fact: SMG has more dps in it's shorter range. That's called a niche. The ARs niche should be wide, but it should also not be dominant across such a wide niche. Simple logic really, deep vs wide. The AR has both. Take a look: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678&find=unread The data shows the most used weapons. They're the most used BECAUSE they're mediocre at everything, instead of terrible at one thing but excellent at another. People like to be ready for everything. Besides, why do people always complain about the Gallente AR when the Amarr scrambler rifle pretty much does the same thing? The assault scrambler rifle, the one that takes 2 clips to overheat. So don't pull that on me.
Because the Gallente AR is OP, and the SR isn't? Hint: It's used so much because it's EZ mode. |
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