i still wonder how i got through my first couple months in chromosome....oh, wait, nobody had the blacksuits until i had a gunlogi with 3 damage mods and a particle accelerator so it didnt matter. hahaha.

it really isnt fair. it's like throwing a new capsuleer into null sec with a civilian autocannon and saying: "good luck".

When I joined last year this game was just as unforgiving to new players as it is now . That being said most people who stareded playing a year ago stuck it out simply because we were beta testing. Now new players get the acadamy it puts them into a false sense of security and when they graduate lol they just get stomped. I acctivly order my mercs in the shadows not to proto stomp for many reasons.

1 it will improve their gun game if they run std or adv gear

2 I dont want my corp to be seen as a bunch of proto pub stomping gits that know full well how bad the match making is.

3 its cheeper and more sustainable.

The list goes on.

Im not hear telling folks not to run proto but when your stacking squads and fighting a bunch of randoms in your proto gear it makes you look like a pussssy . Iv heard many proto stompers claim they do just as well in mlt/std/adv gear so I say why dont you , I know its because their lack of skill is caried by their equpiment.

I love getti g hate mail from proto derps that iv dispatched with either my std toxin smg or std nova knives on a std minja scout suit. Calling me skill less for spray and praying and stabbing like a noob lol. I gues my point is save your proto gear for when you come up against proto stompers otherwise you look like a cowardly pussssssssy. Rant over.

Keep saying simples fix is lock gear by game mode instant battles. T1 fw t2 pc anything goes people can't mone about gear then

Once upon a time I believed this as well, but now I believe it would just create more problems. Dust 514 is New Eden, there is no segregation. Sure have a battle academy just long enough for players to learn the controls and mechanics, but after that they must be welcomed to the world. If you create more tiers of instant battles you simply create this loop where you feel you are at the top then a couple upgrades later you are back at the bottom because you moved to the next collection of players.

Though this comes from the guy who believes the disparity between new and old players is not as great as it seems.

Start new player's with 500k SP as it is now, possibly extend time in Academy to 25k WP. Also here's what will really help, upon graduation from academy player's would be awarded 1mill SP (by 25k WP player's should have a good idea of where they want to focus their build) this would help them be a bit more competitive right out of academy. Beyond that they should perhaps be allowed 2x weekly SP cap until 5mill SP. At which point they would drop to the normal cap and be given the option of a ONE TIME ONLY respec. To rectify any potential noob mistakes from the quickly incoming SP.

I personally think this would really help the New player experience and therefore player retention.

attention attention I need attention..........look look look .........prod poke ...look look .

With a few exceptions this is the norm for any fps that has more than amount under its belt. If I tried to play TLOU, Uncharted, COD Battlefield or any other shooter I would be slaughtered repeatedly. Top players dominate any play who isn't in the top 10%. That's why they are the best.

The new players need to understand that this isn't a normal shooter and team work is almost required. Practice with the weapons and suit fittings is very important and our "bitter vets" should be more active in new player training. I do agree that it is a tough uphill battle for new players, but only for about a month. This game isn't that hard I'd people stick with it.

With the amount of players regularly online match making will never work. We need battles that are segregated by sec status. Each level of security should limit the suits and gear allowed on the field. Mercs should be able to choose the difficulty of their fight by the security status of the system.

Great idea!
Make a thread about it.

Once upon a time I believed this as well, but now I believe it would just create more problems. Dust 514 is New Eden, there is no segregation. Sure have a battle academy just long enough for players to learn the controls and mechanics, but after that they must be welcomed to the world. If you create more tiers of instant battles you simply create this loop where you feel you are at the top then a couple upgrades later you are back at the bottom because you moved to the next collection of players.

Though this comes from the guy who believes the disparity between new and old players is not as great as it seems.

Tell me, if I only had advanced level gear and matchmaking put me only against those with advanced level gear, why would I want to get prototype? It would be the same exact thing several weeks of grinding later.

If you do extremely good in advanced gear you will be matched up against proto people.
If you do average then you will be with the rest of the advanced suits.
It all balances out.

The games you speak of don't unlock better weapons, they unlock different weapons (Example being High fire rate low damage vs low damage and High fire rate).
That's the difference.

You can say "HTFU" all you want but most players will just leave after playing 15 matches in a row against two proto squads who completely dominated them, and YOU DON'T want that for the game.
Even EVE isn't this bad as you can avoid PvP for a while.

There is no point removing the sp gap because older players by default will have more sp than new players. And I don't have a problem. My issue is unlike eve new players don't have a role to fill and can very damaging to the team where as in EvE they can help out in all areas and be a strength to a corp. THIS is the difference that needs to be addressed

There is no point removing the sp gap because older players by default will have more sp than new players. And I don't have a problem. My issue is unlike eve new players don't have a role to fill and can very damaging to the team where as in EvE they can help out in all areas and be a strength to a corp. THIS is the difference that needs to be addressed

Again, why doesn't anyone listen to me?

There is a point where you stop growing up and start growing sideways. (As in you maxed your specific specialization)
That point is around 12mil.
Giving them a bigger head start (3mil, 4mil) will go a long way.

With a few exceptions this is the norm for any fps that has more than amount under its belt. If I tried to play TLOU, Uncharted, COD Battlefield or any other shooter I would be slaughtered repeatedly. Top players dominate any play who isn't in the top 10%. That's why they are the best.

The new players need to understand that this isn't a normal shooter and team work is almost required. Practice with the weapons and suit fittings is very important and our "bitter vets" should be more active in new player training. I do agree that it is a tough uphill battle for new players, but only for about a month. This game isn't that hard I'd people stick with it.

With the amount of players regularly online match making will never work. We need battles that are segregated by sec status. Each level of security should limit the suits and gear allowed on the field. Mercs should be able to choose the difficulty of their fight by the security status of the system.

Tell me, if I only had advanced level gear and matchmaking put me only against those with advanced level gear, why would I want to get prototype? It would be the same exact thing several weeks of grinding later.

Once upon a time I believed this as well, but now I believe it would just create more problems. Dust 514 is New Eden, there is no segregation. Sure have a battle academy just long enough for players to learn the controls and mechanics, but after that they must be welcomed to the world. If you create more tiers of instant battles you simply create this loop where you feel you are at the top then a couple upgrades later you are back at the bottom because you moved to the next collection of players.

Though this comes from the guy who believes the disparity between new and old players is not as great as it seems.

Says the guy who claims that he knows it all

This is just so wrong.

Dust is NOT EVE. Dust is a 2 game-type lobby shooter where your options are purely limited to the situation on the map at hand. EVE is a gigantic sandbox, where yes there is danger, however, there are also almost unlimited choices to limit and control that danger. As hardcore as it is, even EVE has a graduated introduction from spawn new pilot --> null sec fleet combat.

If this was an open world MMO with whole planets to maneuver around and thousands of players to cooperate with then go for it, no problem, but its not.

Keep saying simples fix is lock gear by game mode instant battles. T1 fw t2 pc anything goes people can't mone about gear then

Its not just the match making its the brutal, secret handshake club'esk nature of the commuinty as well.

Its the same mentality bought over from EVE, not everyone will share their secrets.

Once upon a time I believed this as well, but now I believe it would just create more problems. Dust 514 is New Eden, there is no segregation. Sure have a battle academy just long enough for players to learn the controls and mechanics, but after that they must be welcomed to the world. If you create more tiers of instant battles you simply create this loop where you feel you are at the top then a couple upgrades later you are back at the bottom because you moved to the next collection of players.

Though this comes from the guy who believes the disparity between new and old players is not as great as it seems.

i still wonder how i got through my first couple months in chromosome....oh, wait, nobody had the blacksuits until i had a gunlogi with 3 damage mods and a particle accelerator so it didnt matter. hahaha.

it really isnt fair. it's like throwing a new capsuleer into null sec with a civilian autocannon and saying: "good luck".

Yeah, like giving some random dude a pocket knife and telling him to fight a samurai :/

I got rage mail after dominating a match.

Title:" THIS GAME SUX BALLS"
Message:"Y AM I ALWAYS V PPL WITH PROTO GEAR WHEN I HAVE 1M SP. THNX 2 PPL LIKE YOU I NEVER WANT TO PLAY THIS UNBALANCED **** OF A GAME AGAIN"

Although it made me laugh at first, but then I thought about it.
Imagine how many more players are there just like him that just quit?
This is a serious problem CCP, get that matchmaking going, and get it going fast, because the longer you delay that part the more players you will lose that will never look back.

Or maybe make a temporary game mode for Militia only while you do it.
Or maybe keep them in academy longer, but instead of random matches let them choose different academy game modes.

You can say "HTFU" all you want but most players will just leave after playing 15 matches in a row against two proto squads who completely dominated them, and YOU DON'T want that for the game.
Even EVE isn't this bad as you can avoid PvP for a while.

I feel bad for them.
I invited that guy to my help channel, offering to squad up with him.
I will see if I can change his mind.

To preface, I've had a bit of a struggle really finding a niche in this game I wanted to pursue and ended up going through a good chunk of characters. The most I've ever had was around 6 million SP, and if I stuck with a single toon from the start I'd have around 11 million SP now, but instead I roll with this guy who is just about to hit 3 million SP.

You're right, good sir.
Please take this like, as an appreciation about your post.

Things that work in EVE, won't work in Dust.
Hell, even some things that get implemented in EVE, doesn't work there either.

I got rage mail after dominating a match.

Title:" THIS GAME SUX BALLS"
Message:"Y AM I ALWAYS V PPL WITH PROTO GEAR WHEN I HAVE 1M SP. THNX 2 PPL LIKE YOU I NEVER WANT TO PLAY THIS UNBALANCED **** OF A GAME AGAIN"

Although it made me laugh at first, but then I thought about it.
Imagine how many more players are there just like him that just quit?
This is a serious problem CCP, get that matchmaking going, and get it going fast, because the longer you delay that part the more players you will lose that will never look back.

Or maybe make a temporary game mode for Militia only while you do it.
Or maybe keep them in academy longer, but instead of random matches let them choose different academy game modes.

You can say "HTFU" all you want but most players will just leave after playing 15 matches in a row against two proto squads who completely dominated them, and YOU DON'T want that for the game.
Even EVE isn't this bad as you can avoid PvP for a while.

I feel bad for them.
I invited that guy to my help channel, offering to squad up with him.
I will see if I can change his mind.

I got rage mail after dominating a match.

Title:" THIS GAME SUX BALLS"
Message:"Y AM I ALWAYS V PPL WITH PROTO GEAR WHEN I HAVE 1M SP. THNX 2 PPL LIKE YOU I NEVER WANT TO PLAY THIS UNBALANCED **** OF A GAME AGAIN"

Although it made me laugh at first, but then I thought about it.
Imagine how many more players are there just like him that just quit?
This is a serious problem CCP, get that matchmaking going, and get it going fast, because the longer you delay that part the more players you will lose that will never look back.

Or maybe make a temporary game mode for Militia only while you do it.
Or maybe keep them in academy longer, but instead of random matches let them choose different academy game modes.

You can say "HTFU" all you want but most players will just leave after playing 15 matches in a row against two proto squads who completely dominated them, and YOU DON'T want that for the game.
Even EVE isn't this bad as you can avoid PvP for a while.

I feel bad for them.
I invited that guy to my help channel, offering to squad up with him.
I will see if I can change his mind.

Broke game is broke game.

Matchmaking will never get fixed.

I got rage mail after dominating a match.

Title:" THIS GAME SUX BALLS"
Message:"Y AM I ALWAYS V PPL WITH PROTO GEAR WHEN I HAVE 1M SP. THNX 2 PPL LIKE YOU I NEVER WANT TO PLAY THIS UNBALANCED **** OF A GAME AGAIN"

Although it made me laugh at first, but then I thought about it.
Imagine how many more players are there just like him that just quit?
This is a serious problem CCP, get that matchmaking going, and get it going fast, because the longer you delay that part the more players you will lose that will never look back.

Or maybe make a temporary game mode for Militia only while you do it.
Or maybe keep them in academy longer, but instead of random matches let them choose different academy game modes.

You can say "HTFU" all you want but most players will just leave after playing 15 matches in a row against two proto squads who completely dominated them, and YOU DON'T want that for the game.
Even EVE isn't this bad as you can avoid PvP for a while.

I feel bad for them.
I invited that guy to my help channel, offering to squad up with him.
I will see if I can change his mind.

I feel like talking about MAG again... but i'm actually, genially, scare of the Banning Hammer...