While it's true that one would not normally think against the only kind of life a person has known that does not mean that style is automatically justified or morale.

I'm pretty open to what people think is wrong and right and the area that a person grew up in is a main factor in how you will think.
However, the enslavement of innocent because the Amarrians saw them as lesser beings in the name of their god is pretty universally seen as "uncool" (at least by a lot of Earths Inhabitants I would think so).
Just because you have faith doesn't justify morally corrupt acts because you believe them to be good.
Last time I checked Christians weren't really cool with the idea of slavery anymore.

I think one of the things that makes the faction dynamic in New Eden so interesting is that everyone has genuine reason to do the things that they do, and genuine reason to hate another faction.
It's never as simple as good guys and bad guys.

I support the Gallente, personally, but I look through the chronicles and understand the Caldari - While Nouvelle Rouvenor was an evil act, it wasn't carried out on behalf of all the Caldari people and bombing their planet was an evil act as well, though brought on by the chain of events. The chain of events continues with every side having real reason to do the things that they do but at the same time those events tend to be horrible.

The only person I think I really dislike is Tibus Heth. Initially I liked him, being a 'champion of the downtrodden', but threatening to glass billions trumps pretty much every other despicable act in the war so far.

Gallente - Their economy is held together by the drug market. A bunch of people trying to run a democracy without a clear head. Claim to be champions of freedom yet have a problem when a society peacefully exists with traditions not to their standard, even if everyone within that society is happy with their culture.

I would love to hear your argument as to why the Amarrians are the clear cut choice for the "bad guys" of New Eden. I will counter it and give reasons for the Gallente to be seen as the worst empire, and I am a proud American.

Nor is democracy a justified form of living.

But I see what you are saying.

But how can you say you honestly support a system that actively seeks to weed out the weakest members of society, and then establish a class systems while preaching against it.....

Congratulations, I believe I have already stated that I'm more in tuned with their ideals and not with their government or how things are ran and executed (as hinted several times within that post) I also put an IMO at the end as well.

I'm also aware of the Massacre of Cadarians (correct term?) at the hands of the Gallente (as I also hinted in the post).

I'd love to see your argument as to why you see the Amarr as your preferred empire/race/society what have you.

While it's true that one would not normally think against the only kind of life a person has known that does not mean that style is automatically justified or morale.

I'm pretty open to what people think is wrong and right and the area that a person grew up in is a main factor in how you will think.
However, the enslavement of innocent because the Amarrians saw them as lesser beings in the name of their god is pretty universally seen as "uncool" (at least by a lot of Earths Inhabitants I would think so).
Just because you have faith doesn't justify morally corrupt acts because you believe them to be good.
Last time I checked Christians weren't really cool with the idea of slavery anymore.

Congratulations, I believe I have already stated that I'm more in tuned with their ideals and not with their government or how things are ran and executed (as hinted several times within that post) I also put an IMO at the end as well.

I'm also aware of the Massacre of Cadarians (correct term?) at the hands of the Gallente (as I also hinted in the post).

I'd love to see your argument as to why you see the Amarr as your preferred empire/race/society what have you.

I wasn't claiming you fully supported the Gallente, I read your post and understand that you don't. I was merely stating a reason why I don't like them, which you told us to do.

As for why the Amarr are my preferred empire/race/society, I'll start with this a misunderstanding

You equated slavery in Amarr society to slavery on Earth, when they have very little in common. On Earth people enslaved others because they viewed them as inferior and needed the labor. They were often treated poorly and were never intended to be freed. In Amarr society, slavery is more of a right of passage. Amarrians don't view other races as inferior, they simply view them not to have an understanding of the truth. Through hardships they believe one becomes closer to God and understanding. They are told by imperial law to treat slaves with respect, and eventually each race will complete their passage and be welcomed among the Amarr society as equals. In short, they genuinely feel what they are doing a favor for them where as on Earth people just abused each other because they could.

Onto point though, the Amarr Empire is one of the more peaceful ones out there. Not much violence among their civilians (unlike a certain crazed Federation man who went on a rampage killing 59 Matari including the Ray of Matar). Everyone is working for a single goal, yet they do not limit individuality like Caldari State. They are very accepting of all people regardless of race, and contrary to what you may think the Amarr Empire is one of the most ethnically diverse in all of New Eden.

I certainly hope CCP plans to take Amarr further along the road to reform, its always seemed like CCP hates Amarr and considering the scifi crowds hatred of religion and its liberal leanings Amarr was never made to be popular.

I would love to see the amarrian faction do a backflip on slavery and become more about enlightenment and religion, atleast then it would be only half as abhorrent in the eyes of the average scifi loving gamer :D

This.

However it must be said we have had a history of aggression, the more reformist supporters in the empire are gaining power and this looks set to change.

Also the Amarr do not spoil for combat like the Minmatar do. The general amarrian is relatively sad when they would consider the prospect of war and violence however they do understand it as a means to an end, and would only engage in it because they believe they have the divine right to unite this galaxy.

I certainly hope CCP plans to take Amarr further along the road to reform, its always seemed like CCP hates Amarr and considering the scifi crowds hatred of religion and its liberal leanings Amarr was never made to be popular.

I would love to see the amarrian faction do a backflip on slavery and become more about enlightenment and religion, atleast then it would be only half as abhorrent in the eyes of the average scifi loving gamer :D

Of course, the Amarr Empire has had some faulty leadership in the past, but which society hasn't?


I would quit Dust if this happened. There is nothing in the lore to believe such a reform is even a remote possibility, but to do it anyways simply because a few fans have a problem with them would be ridiculous.

Also you say Amarr isn't popular, yet I always see them everywhere in the warbarge and in game, plus at the Intergalactic Summit here I see tons of Amarr on these forums. I would love to see some graphs regarding to what percent of the player base is what race.

I think she means that the Amarr themselves aren't generally liked as a people, their equipment is one thing but liking them as a faction is much harder.

Well I'd like to see some data backing that up as well, because I'm not seeing it. Like you said, the people who support Amarr tend to be very dedicated about it. I go to the IGS and see a good bunch of supporters, not just from PIE. When I was looking for a role playing corp before joining PIE I found more for Amarr than any other.

Not necessarily saying Amarr is the most popular, but they're not in such danger that something as drastic as changing their entire culture is needed. It's more like Amarr is the most polarizing faction when it comes to whether you support them or not.

You equated slavery in Amarr society to slavery on Earth, when they have very little in common. On Earth people enslaved others because they viewed them as inferior and needed the labor. They were often treated poorly and were never intended to be freed. In Amarr society, slavery is more of a right of passage. Amarrians don't view other races as inferior, they simply view them not to have an understanding of the truth. Through hardships they believe one becomes closer to God and understanding. They are told by imperial law to treat slaves with respect, and eventually each race will complete their passage and be welcomed among the Amarr society as equals. In short, they genuinely feel they are doing a favor for them where as on Earth people just abused each other because they could.

Onto point though, the Amarr Empire is one of the more peaceful ones out there. Not much violence among their civilians (unlike a certain crazed Federation man who went on a rampage killing 59 Matari including the Ray of Matar). Everyone is working for a single goal, yet they do not limit individuality like Caldari State. They are very accepting of all people regardless of race, and contrary to what you may think the Amarr Empire is one of the most ethnically diverse in all of New Eden.

For sure not the best society to ever exist, but I do not find them evil or resembling "bad guys."

We fight for the Amarr cause space isk, and friendship and all. I personally support my brothers of the Minmatar. Rise up and defeat all the other races cause slavery sucks.

Nor is democracy a justified form of living.

But I see what you are saying.

But how can you say you honestly support a system that actively seeks to weed out the weakest members of society, and then establish a class systems while preaching against it.....

Isn't that basically what the Amarrians have done?

Take it to the RP forum you nerds.

PIE kind of is the RP forum.... not to sound too arrogant.....

The pie is a spy.
This is GD. Only Doomsaying and QQ go here.

Stay Classy!

Either way my question to you guys is if you have a preferred Faction in Dust/EVE/ New Eden what is it and why do you support it?

ILF's interests are to protect the Intaki Assembly territory, mainly the Placid region in New Eden and provide support for the Intaki planets in terms of food, supplies and medicine. ILF has no interest in FW battles, so your Caldari alts should be safe unless they decide to attack Placid region planets, when they get opened up for PC.

Caldari...because I support the dictatorship!!!

My avatar has to wear the default Gallente "face" but my preference is specifically to Intaki. The character is the Intaki bloodline. I'm with ILF, so I support Intaki specifically and not the Gallente because, you know, that whole secession RP thing.


This, but we do have to deal with FW every day seeing as we live smack in the middle of FW space.

Our mercs can freely take on FW contracts from any empire. If the empires want to throw money at non-enlisted mercs, why not take them up on it? The funds will go toward supporting Intaki secession, heh heh.

PS: In-game I prefer Amarr gear.