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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:54:00 -
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I go Gallente for the philosophy alone. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
214
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Well to be fair as we were talking about yesterday a large part of Dusts player base is American so we can see why they would sympathise with the Gallentean and Matari ideals.
I know, it makes sense but I'd like to see some proof of it.
And look, the proof is already here!
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Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
55
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Well to be fair as we were talking about yesterday a large part of Dusts player base is American so we can see why they would sympathise with the Gallentean and Matari ideals.
I would say that it is mostly due to the fact that most of my generation's imagery is generated by Hollywood idealism in which "good guys" may make mistakes but deserve another go and "bad guys" never have good intentions. Buzz words like democracy and diversity have positive connotations associated with the idealistic who want to change the world, which the Gallante and Minmatar are practically stamped with.
Also for the fact I stated in regard to ideology, most teens and young adults are more liberally prone and rebellious against hierarchy, so the congruence is if anything expected. |
Beld Errmon
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ Orion Empire
689
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:19:00 -
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I picked amarr because its religious aspect is completely the opposite of my RL outlook, but also lasers and their ships look awesome, but its hard to go against your true nature and I ended up RPing as a rebel khanid mercenary, I've fought on both sides lol when they were losing, I was there when UK got pushed out of provi and I was on CVAs side when they got pushed out, fun times. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
367
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:22:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:I picked amarr because its religious aspect is completely the opposite of my RL outlook, but also lasers and their ships look awesome, but its hard to go against your true nature and I ended up RPing as a rebel khanid mercenary, I've fought on both sides lol when they were losing, I was there when UK got pushed out of provi and I was on CVAs side when they got pushed out, fun times. You ran with CVA? That's awesome Im told that it was PIE that helped set up CVA out in Providence, I'm really hoping we may get back out there some day. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
367
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:23:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Well to be fair as we were talking about yesterday a large part of Dusts player base is American so we can see why they would sympathise with the Gallentean and Matari ideals.
I would say that it is mostly due to the fact that most of my generation's imagery is generated by Hollywood idealism in which "good guys" may make mistakes but deserve another go and "bad guys" never have good intentions. Buzz words like democracy and diversity have positive connotations associated with the idealistic who want to change the world, which the Gallante and Minmatar are practically stamped with. Also for the fact I stated in regard to ideology, most teens and young adults are more liberally prone and rebellious against hierarchy, so the congruence is if anything expected. Whole heartedly agreed. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
150
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:24:00 -
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So Gallante are the weed smokers? LOL, do I have that correct? |
Beld Errmon
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ Orion Empire
689
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:27:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:So Gallante are the weed smokers? LOL, do I have that correct?
Hehe probably more the Intaki in syndicate for liberal use of drugs and everything else criminal. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
361
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:31:00 -
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i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
372
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:32:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith.
Those other guys are the real fanatics. |
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Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
361
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:35:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics.
the lore is where I got everything from. in the lore of the amarr when you listen to the audio version says:
"the amarr empire is the largest and oldest of the 4 empires, rules by a mighty empress the amarr are capable of great acts and great tyranny, all in the name of their god". |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
216
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:36:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. The Sani Sabik cults are not mentioned when picking one of the four selectable races. When you start Dust (and I assume EVE), the Amarr are the only ones mentioned to have faith, thus instantly the religious fanatics. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
361
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:37:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. The Sani Sabik cults are not mentioned when picking one of the four selectable races. When you start Dust (and I assume EVE), the Amarr are the only ones mentioned to have faith, thus instantly the religious fanatics.
basically yes, you got it. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
218
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:40:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. the lore is where I got everything from. in the lore of the amarr when you listen to the audio version says: "the Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the 4 empires, ruled by a mighty empress the Amarr are capable of great acts and great tyranny, all in the name of their god". Tyranny has also gotten a severely negative connotation when it simply means a society ruled by a single leader. It doesn't necessarily imply that the ruler is evil or doesn't think in the best interest of his or her people. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
58
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:46:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:So Gallante are the weed smokers? LOL, do I have that correct?
**** and the rest of it, that is correct
Edit:
R rated entertainment if that word isn't allowed |
Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
362
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:46:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. the lore is where I got everything from. in the lore of the amarr when you listen to the audio version says: "the Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the 4 empires, ruled by a mighty empress the Amarr are capable of great acts and great tyranny, all in the name of their god". Tyranny has also gotten a severely negative connotation when it simply means a society ruled by a single leader. It doesn't necessarily imply that the ruler is evil or doesn't think in the best interest of his or her people.
I imagine that the definition of tyranny in this case is stemmed towards the amarr's history of killing everyone who thinks differently and mercilessly destroying civilizations weaker than them because their god demands it. |
XANDER KAG
Red STar. EoN.
131
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:49:00 -
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Minmatar/Caldari support. I chose Minmatar initially because I read "The Empyrean age" book. The Minmatar, in that book seemed like righteous crusaders of freedom against oppression and were depicted as (somewhat stupid) victims to fate. They also lived by my usual tactics of "hit hard and get the F*** out!" Truth is, even if the lore is now making them look bad, they are still my favorite race.
The Gallente seemed just too American Idealist for my taste, (I figured they would get a lot of "Mericuh F*** Yeah" and I didn't want in on that.) even if I don't see them that way anymore.
The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
For the Caldari, the only reason I didn't like them was because of what I had read about Heth, but now that Heth has disapeared I support them. Their lore is my second favorite even if it depicts them as cold and calculating. |
Raizor Feddie
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
106
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:51:00 -
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Amarr. Even our gear is elegant, look like true weapons of what we represent. A faith mired in beauty and extravagance. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
219
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:52:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. the lore is where I got everything from. in the lore of the amarr when you listen to the audio version says: "the Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the 4 empires, ruled by a mighty empress the Amarr are capable of great acts and great tyranny, all in the name of their god". Tyranny has also gotten a severely negative connotation when it simply means a society ruled by a single leader. It doesn't necessarily imply that the ruler is evil or doesn't think in the best interest of his or her people. I imagine that the definition of tyranny in this case is stemmed towards the amarr's history of killing everyone who thinks differently and mercilessly destroying civilizations weaker than them because their god demands it. Where did you gather that bunch of lies? The Amarr only engage in war with those who threaten their way of life, as do the other empires. They don't destroy civilizations, they assimilate them. They are not the only race to partake in assimilation, look at your own Gellente with the Intaki and Jin-Mei. All the empires have expanded and taken over other civilizations to become as expansive as they are now. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
374
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:54:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. the lore is where I got everything from. in the lore of the amarr when you listen to the audio version says: "the Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the 4 empires, ruled by a mighty empress the Amarr are capable of great acts and great tyranny, all in the name of their god". Yet you choose to focus on the negative acts? |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
220
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:59:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote: The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
The thing about Ammarian slavery is it is different than the slavery that existed on Earth. Here we enslaved people because we needed the labor and viewed the slaves as inferior. There was never an intention to one day free them. With the Amarr, their slavery is more of a right of passage. Their ancestors dealt with hardships which formed the core beliefs their culture runs on, and in order to understand it they believe the other societies must too experience that. They do not look down upon the slaves though, in fact one of their past emperors made it law to treat the slaves with the utmost respect. They truly believe what they are doing is a good service to them, and they fully intend to free them after their passage is complete and welcome them as equals among their society. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
374
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:00:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Minmatar/Caldari support. I chose Minmatar initially because I read "The Empyrean age" book. The Minmatar, in that book seemed like righteous crusaders of freedom against oppression and were depicted as (somewhat stupid) victims to fate. They also lived by my usual tactics of "hit hard and get the F*** out!" Truth is, even if the lore is now making them look bad, they are still my favorite race.
The Gallente seemed just too American Idealist for my taste, (I figured they would get a lot of "Mericuh F*** Yeah" and I didn't want in on that.) even if I don't see them that way anymore.
The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
For the Caldari, the only reason I didn't like them was because of what I had read about Heth, but now that Heth has disapeared I support them. Their lore is my second favorite even if it depicts them as cold and calculating.
Fair call but the only thing you can say that is kind of negative about the amarr is the slavery and even that is idealistically explain by their progressive system of amalgamation into a single collective race.
This about the Gallenteans for me is that they are too Americanised for my taste (got nothing gainst the MURRICAN in fact i'm visiting your lovely country later this year) but lore wise they act the hero part too much that is makes me mistrust them inherently.
Minnies are okay in my books...don't take the the wrong way PIE, I just have no hate for them....however it do want to see them reclaimed by God.
Caldari However have the best lore to me. Cold and Harsh, loyal and determined, focused efforts internally, good business sense, minimalist philosophy in regards to warfare, long range, hard hitting. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
220
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Minnies are okay in my books...don't take the the wrong way PIE, I just have no hate for them....however it do want to see them reclaimed by God.
As I was telling you the other night, the Minmatar were tampered with by the Gallente Federation while the Amarr had their backs turned dealing with the loss to the Jovians. Had the Federation not meddled in our affairs, the Minmatar would have eventually become yet another bloodline of the Empire, and thus another foe to the Federation. I believe the Minmatar can be reclaimed, but it would have to come by defeating the source of their rebellion, the Gallente. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
59
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:12:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:
Where did you gather that bunch of lies? The Amarr only engage in war with those who threaten their way of life, as do the other empires. They don't destroy civilizations, they assimilate them. They are not the only race to partake in assimilation, look at your own Gellente with the Intaki and Jin-Mei. All the empires have expanded and taken over other civilizations to become as expansive as they are now.
Correct, another part I was debating on adding in my first post was that the Amarr are expansionist as well as the Gallante. You need conflict in a war game. The Gallante can't stand the Caldari because of 1) insult for separating 2) they don't operate by their standards, and of course 3) Power play, which they wanted Caldari money and resources to support the rest of the lazy slobs.
I do love the gray nature that is Eve lore.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
872
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:13:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:XANDER KAG wrote: The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
The thing about Ammarian slavery is it is different than the slavery that existed on Earth. Here we enslaved people because we needed the labor and viewed the slaves as inferior. There was never an intention to one day free them. With the Amarr, their slavery is more of a right of passage. Their ancestors dealt with hardships which formed the core beliefs their culture runs on, and in order to understand it they believe the other societies must too experience that. They do not look down upon the slaves though, in fact one of their past emperors made it law to treat the slaves with the utmost respect. They truly believe what they are doing is a good service to them, and they fully intend to free them after their passage is complete and welcome them as equals among their society.
Kind of sounds like an abusive relationship "I only hit you because I love you" |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
374
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:18:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:XANDER KAG wrote: The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
The thing about Ammarian slavery is it is different than the slavery that existed on Earth. Here we enslaved people because we needed the labor and viewed the slaves as inferior. There was never an intention to one day free them. With the Amarr, their slavery is more of a right of passage. Their ancestors dealt with hardships which formed the core beliefs their culture runs on, and in order to understand it they believe the other societies must too experience that. They do not look down upon the slaves though, in fact one of their past emperors made it law to treat the slaves with the utmost respect. They truly believe what they are doing is a good service to them, and they fully intend to free them after their passage is complete and welcome them as equals among their society. Kind of sounds like an abusive relationship "I only hit you because I love you"
Expect we don't hit slaves..... as he said. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
872
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:XANDER KAG wrote: The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
The thing about Ammarian slavery is it is different than the slavery that existed on Earth. Here we enslaved people because we needed the labor and viewed the slaves as inferior. There was never an intention to one day free them. With the Amarr, their slavery is more of a right of passage. Their ancestors dealt with hardships which formed the core beliefs their culture runs on, and in order to understand it they believe the other societies must too experience that. They do not look down upon the slaves though, in fact one of their past emperors made it law to treat the slaves with the utmost respect. They truly believe what they are doing is a good service to them, and they fully intend to free them after their passage is complete and welcome them as equals among their society. Kind of sounds like an abusive relationship "I only hit you because I love you" Expect we don't hit slaves..... as he said.
Well I didnt mean that literally, just the sentiment behind certain types of abusive relationships and enslaving people for their betterment seems similar to me |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
247
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:25:00 -
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I'm Gallente because that's what I picked during closed beta and forgot I picked it until open beta when I picked it up again when the game was decently playable |
XANDER KAG
Red STar. EoN.
131
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:25:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Fair call but the only thing you can say that is kind of negative about the amarr is the slavery and even that is idealistically explain by their progressive system of amalgamation into a single collective race.
That's sort of what I was pointing out though, the only things I don't like about the Ammar is the slavery (and their titan), I never saw them as all evil but a few bad apples ruin the bunch. I know that sometimes the best intentions have terrible outcomes though, and now they are generally viewed as bad. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
220
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:27:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:XANDER KAG wrote: The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
The thing about Ammarian slavery is it is different than the slavery that existed on Earth. Here we enslaved people because we needed the labor and viewed the slaves as inferior. There was never an intention to one day free them. With the Amarr, their slavery is more of a right of passage. Their ancestors dealt with hardships which formed the core beliefs their culture runs on, and in order to understand it they believe the other societies must too experience that. They do not look down upon the slaves though, in fact one of their past emperors made it law to treat the slaves with the utmost respect. They truly believe what they are doing is a good service to them, and they fully intend to free them after their passage is complete and welcome them as equals among their society. Kind of sounds like an abusive relationship "I only hit you because I love you" Huh, of my knowledge though the Amarr don't hit their slaves or anything of that nature, simply give them labors. Still kind of an abusive relationship I suppose, but it has worked. Outside of the Gallente meddling with the Minmatar, all other races have gone through this right of passage and since have been able to live in peace within the Empire. You can't really say for the Federation, the other expansionists. Many Intaki wish to secede, and Caldari already have. You could say the same about the Minmatar, but again that wasn't on their own accord but from outside influences by the Federation who had their own agenda. |
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