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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:44:00 -
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I support Amarr because they are the only faction that has a clear cut purpose in life. Their goal is to conquer all of the stars to unite humanity in faith and peace. The other factions on the other hand don't really come off as having a greater purpose, they exist merely to survive.
Also all our ships, armor, gadgets, and weaponry look like pure class and for a science fiction game its a bit surprising they are the only ones to use lasers.
Vermaak Doe wrote:Freedom and fireworks, why else.
The Robot Devil wrote:Gallente because heroes don't look back at explosions. The ships look good. We win. Real men armor tank. Freedom.
"Float like a Floatbot; sting like an automatic stinging machine." Bender
john gratn wrote:Gallante because FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOM
I'm curious, all you who picked Gallente for freedom - did you actually research how their democracy works and events which transpired in the Federation, or simply saw the in-game description of "the only true democracy in New Eden" and went with it? I'm not saying there is no reason to support the Gallente, but I'm a little curious. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Well to be fair as we were talking about yesterday a large part of Dusts player base is American so we can see why they would sympathise with the Gallentean and Matari ideals.
I know, it makes sense but I'd like to see some proof of it.
And look, the proof is already here!
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:36:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. The Sani Sabik cults are not mentioned when picking one of the four selectable races. When you start Dust (and I assume EVE), the Amarr are the only ones mentioned to have faith, thus instantly the religious fanatics. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:40:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. the lore is where I got everything from. in the lore of the amarr when you listen to the audio version says: "the Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the 4 empires, ruled by a mighty empress the Amarr are capable of great acts and great tyranny, all in the name of their god". Tyranny has also gotten a severely negative connotation when it simply means a society ruled by a single leader. It doesn't necessarily imply that the ruler is evil or doesn't think in the best interest of his or her people. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:52:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. the lore is where I got everything from. in the lore of the amarr when you listen to the audio version says: "the Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the 4 empires, ruled by a mighty empress the Amarr are capable of great acts and great tyranny, all in the name of their god". Tyranny has also gotten a severely negative connotation when it simply means a society ruled by a single leader. It doesn't necessarily imply that the ruler is evil or doesn't think in the best interest of his or her people. I imagine that the definition of tyranny in this case is stemmed towards the amarr's history of killing everyone who thinks differently and mercilessly destroying civilizations weaker than them because their god demands it. Where did you gather that bunch of lies? The Amarr only engage in war with those who threaten their way of life, as do the other empires. They don't destroy civilizations, they assimilate them. They are not the only race to partake in assimilation, look at your own Gellente with the Intaki and Jin-Mei. All the empires have expanded and taken over other civilizations to become as expansive as they are now. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:59:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote: The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
The thing about Ammarian slavery is it is different than the slavery that existed on Earth. Here we enslaved people because we needed the labor and viewed the slaves as inferior. There was never an intention to one day free them. With the Amarr, their slavery is more of a right of passage. Their ancestors dealt with hardships which formed the core beliefs their culture runs on, and in order to understand it they believe the other societies must too experience that. They do not look down upon the slaves though, in fact one of their past emperors made it law to treat the slaves with the utmost respect. They truly believe what they are doing is a good service to them, and they fully intend to free them after their passage is complete and welcome them as equals among their society. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Minnies are okay in my books...don't take the the wrong way PIE, I just have no hate for them....however it do want to see them reclaimed by God.
As I was telling you the other night, the Minmatar were tampered with by the Gallente Federation while the Amarr had their backs turned dealing with the loss to the Jovians. Had the Federation not meddled in our affairs, the Minmatar would have eventually become yet another bloodline of the Empire, and thus another foe to the Federation. I believe the Minmatar can be reclaimed, but it would have to come by defeating the source of their rebellion, the Gallente. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:27:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:XANDER KAG wrote: The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
The thing about Ammarian slavery is it is different than the slavery that existed on Earth. Here we enslaved people because we needed the labor and viewed the slaves as inferior. There was never an intention to one day free them. With the Amarr, their slavery is more of a right of passage. Their ancestors dealt with hardships which formed the core beliefs their culture runs on, and in order to understand it they believe the other societies must too experience that. They do not look down upon the slaves though, in fact one of their past emperors made it law to treat the slaves with the utmost respect. They truly believe what they are doing is a good service to them, and they fully intend to free them after their passage is complete and welcome them as equals among their society. Kind of sounds like an abusive relationship "I only hit you because I love you" Huh, of my knowledge though the Amarr don't hit their slaves or anything of that nature, simply give them labors. Still kind of an abusive relationship I suppose, but it has worked. Outside of the Gallente meddling with the Minmatar, all other races have gone through this right of passage and since have been able to live in peace within the Empire. You can't really say for the Federation, the other expansionists. Many Intaki wish to secede, and Caldari already have. You could say the same about the Minmatar, but again that wasn't on their own accord but from outside influences by the Federation who had their own agenda. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:40:00 -
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But . . . but . . . that is part of explaining why I support the Amarr Empire
I suppose you are right however, we should try to keep our answers more brief and to the point here. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.08 12:28:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Im not trying to **** on their parade you over reacting toss bag, what i am doing is pointing out that they will turn ppl off role play before it even starts if they RP at ppl in a general forum. Except I wasn't RPing there, I was merely pointing out my thoughts and reasoning behind why I support the Amarr. |
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.15 02:20:00 -
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Amarr tech always looks the best. As soon as the Amarr pilot and dropship are released my advanced Assault and advanced Commando won't be seeing much light. Don't even care if dropships aren't fixed by then, the Amarr dropship just looks so good.
First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:So, the majority chose Gallente because -- 'Fleeeeeeeedooooooommmm'? Somewhat expected yet sad Yeah its like most of the player base puts no thought into this.....and in a game with such an expansive universe.....its kind of important.... It's not like its their fault. Typically you learn about a game's story by playing it. No one would know about Evelopedia before downloading the game, and it doesn't really make sense to expect players to spend time reading pages about races in a game they haven't even played yet. There's also nothing in Dust so far that would suggest it has a deep backstory, and the racial description never mentions anything about Gallentean freedom not always being what you think it would be. Or that it might sometimes have a downside. To be quite honest, I'm surprised people even bothered to read the descriptions instead of choosing their favorite color or flipping a coin. This is definitely a problem. It would be nice if there was some intro cutscenes all first time players had to watch that helped portray the races, and I'm not talking about those 30 second clips from the Home space that barely tell you anything. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.15 02:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Agreed.... when the Amarr tanks come out Adamance won't be seeing the loving beam of that laser rifle..... he'll be madly cackling as be burn entire platoons away with a laser turret.
Speaking of which, imagine this
Amarr Warbarge Amarr MCC Amarr Laser Turret Installations Amarr CRUs Amarr Supply Depots Amarr Orbital Artillery Outpost Amarr Biomass Outpost Amarr Communications Outpost and all the Amarr Vehicles
Not gonna lie, the future battlefields are going to be sexy. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:10:00 -
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Exardor wrote:Gallente, because... they are streamlined. For the ladies. (; And am i the only one, who thinks that (with an eye on the concept art on Minmatar and Amarr vehicles) the current Gal und Cal vehicles are to similar? Well considering that the Gallente and Caldari originate from the same star, it is not surprising. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:36:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Well it would be easier to say the main reason for not liking the other races.
Amarr- Religious zealot, slavers, I don't give a flying flip for people trying to be apologetic for the Amarr either.
Caldari- Even though I sympathize with them that is simply not the way I would want a society to work. I do admire their loyalty though.
Minmatar- I really don't have much of a complaint about the Minmatar besides that they base a lot of their actions based on emmotion rather than logic.
So I went with Gallente because of why everyone else went with them. I know that their citizens at least have a choice how to live their life...for the most part... They are they second largest empire but their military is voluntary, you aren't even forced to go to a military school with the Gallente. I'm aware of the ****** up **** Gallente have done (example, the Caldari incident) and the flaws in their society but I still see their society as decent and more in tune with my view.
None of these empires are the good guys but I believe it's safe to say that Amarr take the cake as general bad guys IMO.
It is also noteworthy to say that I'm not very Pro Federation but I'm more in tuned with Gallente Society and their ideals. Gallente - Their economy is held together by the drug market. A bunch of people trying to run a democracy without a clear head. Claim to be champions of freedom yet have a problem when a society peacefully exists with traditions not to their standard, even if everyone within that society is happy with their culture.
I would love to hear your argument as to why the Amarrians are the clear cut choice for the "bad guys" of New Eden. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:33:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote: Congratulations, I believe I have already stated that I'm more in tuned with their ideals and not with their government or how things are ran and executed (as hinted several times within that post) I also put an IMO at the end as well.
I'm also aware of the Massacre of Cadarians (correct term?) at the hands of the Gallente (as I also hinted in the post).
I'd love to see your argument as to why you see the Amarr as your preferred empire/race/society what have you.
I wasn't claiming you fully supported the Gallente, I read your post and understand that you don't. I was merely stating a reason why I don't like them, which you told us to do.
As for why the Amarr are my preferred empire/race/society, I'll start with this a misunderstanding
Sgt Kirk wrote: While it's true that one would not normally think against the only kind of life a person has known that does not mean that style is automatically justified or morale.
I'm pretty open to what people think is wrong and right and the area that a person grew up in is a main factor in how you will think. However, the enslavement of innocent because the Amarrians saw them as lesser beings in the name of their god is pretty universally seen as "uncool" (at least by a lot of Earths Inhabitants I would think so). Just because you have faith doesn't justify morally corrupt acts because you believe them to be good. Last time I checked Christians weren't really cool with the idea of slavery anymore.
You equated slavery in Amarr society to slavery on Earth, when they have very little in common. On Earth people enslaved others because they viewed them as inferior and needed the labor. They were often treated poorly and were never intended to be freed. In Amarr society, slavery is more of a right of passage. Amarrians don't view other races as inferior, they simply view them not to have an understanding of the truth. Through hardships they believe one becomes closer to God and understanding. They are told by imperial law to treat slaves with respect, and eventually each race will complete their passage and be welcomed among the Amarr society as equals. In short, they genuinely feel what they are doing a favor for them where as on Earth people just abused each other because they could.
Onto point though, the Amarr Empire is one of the more peaceful ones out there. Not much violence among their civilians (unlike a certain crazed Federation man who went on a rampage killing 59 Matari including the Ray of Matar). Everyone is working for a single goal, yet they do not limit individuality like Caldari State. They are very accepting of all people regardless of race, and contrary to what you may think the Amarr Empire is one of the most ethnically diverse in all of New Eden.
For sure not the best society to ever exist, but I do not find them evil or resembling "bad guys." |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: This.
However it must be said we have had a history of aggression, the more reformist supporters in the empire are gaining power and this looks set to change.
Also the Amarr do not spoil for combat like the Minmatar do. The general amarrian is relatively sad when they would consider the prospect of war and violence however they do understand it as a means to an end, and would only engage in it because they believe they have the divine right to unite this galaxy.
Of course, the Amarr Empire has had some faulty leadership in the past, but which society hasn't?
Beld Errmon wrote:I certainly hope CCP plans to take Amarr further along the road to reform, its always seemed like CCP hates Amarr and considering the scifi crowds hatred of religion and its liberal leanings Amarr was never made to be popular.
I would love to see the amarrian faction do a backflip on slavery and become more about enlightenment and religion, atleast then it would be only half as abhorrent in the eyes of the average scifi loving gamer :D I would quit Dust if this happened. There is nothing in the lore to believe such a reform is even a remote possibility, but to do it anyways simply because a few fans have a problem with them would be ridiculous.
Also you say Amarr isn't popular, yet I always see them everywhere in the warbarge and in game, plus at the Intergalactic Summit here I see tons of Amarr on these forums. I would love to see some graphs regarding to what percent of the player base is what race. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: I think she means that the Amarr themselves aren't generally liked as a people, their equipment is one thing but liking them as a faction is much harder.
Well I'd like to see some data backing that up as well, because I'm not seeing it. Like you said, the people who support Amarr tend to be very dedicated about it. I go to the IGS and see a good bunch of supporters, not just from PIE. When I was looking for a role playing corp before joining PIE I found more for Amarr than any other.
Not necessarily saying Amarr is the most popular, but they're not in such danger that something as drastic as changing their entire culture is needed. It's more like Amarr is the most polarizing faction when it comes to whether you support them or not. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.16 01:22:00 -
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Phantom Vaxer wrote:Caldari...because I support the dictatorship!!! Well then, you will be saddened to hear that Caldari State recently removed the role that was analogous with dictator. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.16 05:15:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Gigatron Prime wrote:Why even have FW mode out if it doesn't do ANYTHING!? It does do something, don't ever believe it doesn't. But not for us. Whether the 24th Imperial Crusade owns 100% or 0% it doesn't affect anything for any Dust players. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 01:27:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:[quote=Aero Yassavi] My assessment that they aren't popular is based on my experience with the faction in Eve not dust, I don't care if the lore makes it hard for the faction to change and I certainly don't care if you quit, the problem with the Amarr faction is it provides an outlet for RL racists to waffle on about owning slaves and praise space jesus. Don't you think that's going a bit too far? And by a bit I mean a lot. |
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:48:00 -
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da GAND wrote:Minmatar because they're fighting those religious zombies (Amarr) to keep their freedom, I don't care about how their ships look like. It's actually quite surprising that anyone could make ships out of rusted parts, and duct tape. The Minmatar ships are probably more realistic looking than most ships. This is what I mean by that., http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UsedFuture
I actually like the look quite a bit, but I'm far more intrigued by the Amarr. |
Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:da GAND wrote:True Adamance wrote:da GAND wrote:Minmatar because they're fighting those religious zombies (Amarr) to keep their freedom, I don't care about how their ships look like. It's actually quite surprising that anyone could make ships out of rusted parts, and duct tape. Why do you assume the Amarr are zombies... just asking. I know the Amarr are religious but religion doesn't imply manipulations or coercion of the people too believe. They just do. A whole empire fought for by people that have believed since the start of their empire that everything they do ( enslaving entire civilizations, forcing people to convert to their religion) is their gods will, and every order that their empress gives was given by their god. You're right they aren't zombies they are actually slaves to their Empress just without the chains. This belief that they have in their Empress and their god will let the Empress do anything that she wants with them. Not true the don't do what they do simply because she tells them to, they do it because they believe her to be the embodiment of his will, and therefore what she says is the right path. Nor does an emperor consider his or herself the sole controller of the Empire, they are as subject to God's will as any member of the Empire. Not to mention that the Amarr empire does embrace a sense of individuality among it's citizens despite their uniform belief in religion.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.07.18 04:32:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:In the end we're just mercenaries, no nation, no philosophy, no ideology, we go where we're needed, fighting not for Government but for money, keeping the individual beliefs you have at bay.
Holding on to your faction and being loyal to it may hinder you from making money.
In the end we all speak for ourselves. You may choose the life of a mercenary seeking happiness through ISK, but money is an empty pleasure. I choose to fight for a much greater purpose. And that doesn't just apply to me and Amarr, but also to anyone else who chooses to supports their faction. |
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