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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:35:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:XANDER KAG wrote: The Ammar were slavers and I'm just too much of a good guy at heart to ever condone it, even to digital avatars.
The thing about Ammarian slavery is it is different than the slavery that existed on Earth. Here we enslaved people because we needed the labor and viewed the slaves as inferior. There was never an intention to one day free them. With the Amarr, their slavery is more of a right of passage. Their ancestors dealt with hardships which formed the core beliefs their culture runs on, and in order to understand it they believe the other societies must too experience that. They do not look down upon the slaves though, in fact one of their past emperors made it law to treat the slaves with the utmost respect. They truly believe what they are doing is a good service to them, and they fully intend to free them after their passage is complete and welcome them as equals among their society. Kind of sounds like an abusive relationship "I only hit you because I love you" Huh, of my knowledge though the Amarr don't hit their slaves or anything of that nature, simply give them labors. Still kind of an abusive relationship I suppose, but it has worked. Outside of the Gallente meddling with the Minmatar, all other races have gone through this right of passage and since have been able to live in peace within the Empire. You can't really say for the Federation, the other expansionists. Many Intaki wish to secede, and Caldari already have. You could say the same about the Minmatar, but again that wasn't on their own accord but from outside influences by the Federation who had their own agenda.
Anywho this isn't secheduled preaching hour and were not here to pontificate to these poor folks, this thread is about why people do what they do.....and to some extent clearing up racial misconceptions..... |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
221
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:40:00 -
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But . . . but . . . that is part of explaining why I support the Amarr Empire
I suppose you are right however, we should try to keep our answers more brief and to the point here. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
161
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:45:00 -
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Hey can somebody send me a link to all this lore. I always find pieces of it everywhere but I want a full on book that I can read. I love the background stories. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
375
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:49:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Hey can somebody send me a link to all this lore. I always find pieces of it everywhere but I want a full on book that I can read. I love the background stories.
EVElopedia is the place to go it has all the general content on all of the factions as well as the chronicles/ short stories CCP puts out to support the lore.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page |
Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
363
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. the lore is where I got everything from. in the lore of the amarr when you listen to the audio version says: "the Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the 4 empires, ruled by a mighty empress the Amarr are capable of great acts and great tyranny, all in the name of their god". Yet you choose to focus on the negative acts?
I don't see any positive acts from the amarr |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
161
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Hey can somebody send me a link to all this lore. I always find pieces of it everywhere but I want a full on book that I can read. I love the background stories. EVElopedia is the place to go it has all the general content on all of the factions as well as the chronicles/ short stories CCP puts out to support the lore. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page
You the man! Or woman...thanks! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
375
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:11:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:i chose Gallente because of their ideology, sure there system is flawed, every empire or nation is flawed, the Caldari are flawed due to their ideology of profiteering, the Amarr are flawed because they are basically the religious fanatics of new eden, the Minmatar are flawed because they use emotions 90% of the time regardless of facts and proof, the Gallente are flawed because its easier for you to fall to the bottom than it to climb to the top. Dude if you bothered to ready up on lore you would know that Blood Raiders, and other Sani Sabik Cultists are fanatics, the Amarr simply have a faith. Those other guys are the real fanatics. the lore is where I got everything from. in the lore of the amarr when you listen to the audio version says: "the Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the 4 empires, ruled by a mighty empress the Amarr are capable of great acts and great tyranny, all in the name of their god". Yet you choose to focus on the negative acts? I don't see any positive acts from the amarr
Condemnation of Sansha's Nation, protection of foreign interests from Sani Sabik, aid in establishing concord alongside the other empires, the emancipation of all late generation slaves, the Caldari Amarr economic stimulus agreement benefiting both nations economies, need I say more |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
375
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:12:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Hey can somebody send me a link to all this lore. I always find pieces of it everywhere but I want a full on book that I can read. I love the background stories. EVElopedia is the place to go it has all the general content on all of the factions as well as the chronicles/ short stories CCP puts out to support the lore. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page You the man! Or woman...thanks! Thanks (Manhug!) |
Relyt R
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:44:00 -
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The Federation because we are the defenders of freedom, and we have the power to back it up. The Caldari had always been filled with traitorous blood, and the Amarr's slavery clashes with our sense of morality. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
162
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:53:00 -
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Okay I'm reading about the Acadmey of Aggressive Behavior. Are the jove still around? |
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force
23
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:17:00 -
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Gotta love how some people read a few things on the EVE wiki and suddenly think they know eve lore.
Aero Yassavi wrote: Huh, of my knowledge though the Amarr don't hit their slaves or anything of that nature, simply give them labors. Still kind of an abusive relationship I suppose, but it has worked. Outside of the Gallente meddling with the Minmatar, all other races have gone through this right of passage and since have been able to live in peace within the Empire. You can't really say for the Federation, the other expansionists. Many Intaki wish to secede, and Caldari already have. You could say the same about the Minmatar, but again that wasn't on their own accord but from outside influences by the Federation who had their own agenda.
About hitting slaves:
"The guard wound his arm back and struck again. Sparks exploded from the slaveGÇÖs back, and this time he crumpled to the ground in a heap. The cauterized wounds intersected the previous marks, creating an approximate visage of the Sign. The beauty of the Faith, the guard thought, is that it offers a path for the unborn. Paradise was the exclusive birthright of pureblooded Amarrians, but for all othersGÇöincluding the Matari wretch lying at his feetGÇösalvation had to be earned. Only through suffering can the unborn rise from the shadow of death to gain the blessing of immortality. I might yet walk in heaven with this one, the guard thought. His subservience speaks mountains of his quest for forgiveness."
About the Intaki: Currently, even with the turmoil in past years regarding seperatist movements, most Intaki still wish to remain federation citizens. Much of the anti-federation sentiment comes from security matters long ago that unfortunately forced the creation of the Intaki Syndicate, which then became heavily tied into illegal practices.
About the Federation and the Minmatar: The Gallente aided the Minmatar rebellion by providing them with weapons, which the Jove actually delivered. The entire rebellion was a convergence of agendas: the Minmatar breaking their bonds, the Gallente aiding their rebellion partly for the cause of freedom, and partly to weaken the Amarrians who were on the verge of more 'reclaiming', and the Jove who needed to fight the Enheiduanni, but also found great compassion for the Minmatar and the horrors they were enduring. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
385
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:24:00 -
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Relyt R wrote:The Federation because we are the defenders of freedom, and we have the power to back it up. The Caldari had always been filled with traitorous blood, and the Amarr's slavery clashes with our sense of morality.
The Caldari are not a traitorous people, they express great emphasis on loyalty, dignity, and family bonds. Where are you getting the notion that the Caldari are like what you say? |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
521
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:24:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Gallente because heroes don't look back at explosions. The ships look good. We win. Real men armor tank. Freedom.
"Float like a Floatbot; sting like an automatic stinging machine." Bender Firstly, ships do not look good..... they look terribly but not as bad as the Minmatar ships, secondly win, sure you do comparatively more players support the Gallente over the other races so winning through numbers while commendable is not admirable, thirdly yes REAL MEN armour tank!
I love the look of the Gallente ships; they are sleek, sexy and look futuristic. I don't like rust so Minmatar ships are not for me. I do like some of the Caldari ships and the Amarr.....well they're Amarr.
Why do you think that more people are Gallente? Is it because they are first in line. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
385
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:25:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Okay I'm reading about the Acadmey of Aggressive Behavior. Are the jove still around?
A much discussed topic. I believe they are not having been subjugated and destroyed by Sansha Kuvakei and his filth. Hence how Sansha's nation ships enter empire space through wormholes. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
385
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:28:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Gallente because heroes don't look back at explosions. The ships look good. We win. Real men armor tank. Freedom.
"Float like a Floatbot; sting like an automatic stinging machine." Bender Firstly, ships do not look good..... they look terribly but not as bad as the Minmatar ships, secondly win, sure you do comparatively more players support the Gallente over the other races so winning through numbers while commendable is not admirable, thirdly yes REAL MEN armour tank! I love the look of the Gallente ships; they are sleek, sexy and look futuristic. I don't like rust so Minmatar ships are not for me. I do like some of the Caldari ships and the Amarr.....well they're Amarr. Why do you think that more people are Gallente? Is it because they are first in line.
Again I think its because they are American and current historiographical trends show a great shift in the developmental direction of modern countries towards western trends, also because America has a huge media base and generally tends to dictate what is shown around the world in terms of film and television genres, also emphasising general American systems of belief and such associated ideals.
Also a lot of Dust players seem to be military men, or so claim to be, and would naturally associate with what they believe and stand for.
Perhaps even a sense of political correctness permeates Dust as well. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
167
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:29:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Gallente because heroes don't look back at explosions. The ships look good. We win. Real men armor tank. Freedom.
"Float like a Floatbot; sting like an automatic stinging machine." Bender Firstly, ships do not look good..... they look terribly but not as bad as the Minmatar ships, secondly win, sure you do comparatively more players support the Gallente over the other races so winning through numbers while commendable is not admirable, thirdly yes REAL MEN armour tank! I love the look of the Gallente ships; they are sleek, sexy and look futuristic. I don't like rust so Minmatar ships are not for me. I do like some of the Caldari ships and the Amarr.....well they're Amarr. Why do you think that more people are Gallente? Is it because they are first in line.
That is the problem with the Gallente. Always dreaming of the "beautiful" and proposed "democracy" instead of building fortitude, tradition and pride. What are exactly are they first in line for? Hopefully its for a gruesome death... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
386
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:30:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Gotta love how some people read a few things on the EVE wiki and suddenly think they know eve lore. Aero Yassavi wrote: Huh, of my knowledge though the Amarr don't hit their slaves or anything of that nature, simply give them labors. Still kind of an abusive relationship I suppose, but it has worked. Outside of the Gallente meddling with the Minmatar, all other races have gone through this right of passage and since have been able to live in peace within the Empire. You can't really say for the Federation, the other expansionists. Many Intaki wish to secede, and Caldari already have. You could say the same about the Minmatar, but again that wasn't on their own accord but from outside influences by the Federation who had their own agenda.
About hitting slaves: "The guard wound his arm back and struck again. Sparks exploded from the slaveGÇÖs back, and this time he crumpled to the ground in a heap. The cauterized wounds intersected the previous marks, creating an approximate visage of the Sign. The beauty of the Faith, the guard thought, is that it offers a path for the unborn. Paradise was the exclusive birthright of pureblooded Amarrians, but for all othersGÇöincluding the Matari wretch lying at his feetGÇösalvation had to be earned. Only through suffering can the unborn rise from the shadow of death to gain the blessing of immortality. I might yet walk in heaven with this one, the guard thought. His subservience speaks mountains of his quest for forgiveness." About the Intaki: Currently, even with the turmoil in past years regarding seperatist movements, most Intaki still wish to remain federation citizens. Much of the anti-federation sentiment comes from security matters long ago that unfortunately forced the creation of the Intaki Syndicate, which then became heavily tied into illegal practices. About the Federation and the Minmatar: The Gallente aided the Minmatar rebellion by providing them with weapons, which the Jove actually delivered. The entire rebellion was a convergence of agendas: the Minmatar breaking their bonds, the Gallente aiding their rebellion partly for the cause of freedom, and partly to weaken the Amarrians who were on the verge of more 'reclaiming', and the Jove who needed to fight the Enheiduanni, but also found great compassion for the Minmatar and the horrors they were enduring.
As much as I would like to refute that this sort of think never happens I cannot. Like in all races there are the good and the bad, as so in the amarr.
Emperor Heideran commanded his people to treat the Slave with dignity and respect for he or she was doing God's work, however we cannot extend our authority to every aspect of our society much like the MInmatar cannot control their extremists who work terrorist acts in Amarr space, nor can the Gallente prevent its people being abused by the system. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
386
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:32:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Gallente because heroes don't look back at explosions. The ships look good. We win. Real men armor tank. Freedom.
"Float like a Floatbot; sting like an automatic stinging machine." Bender Firstly, ships do not look good..... they look terribly but not as bad as the Minmatar ships, secondly win, sure you do comparatively more players support the Gallente over the other races so winning through numbers while commendable is not admirable, thirdly yes REAL MEN armour tank! I love the look of the Gallente ships; they are sleek, sexy and look futuristic. I don't like rust so Minmatar ships are not for me. I do like some of the Caldari ships and the Amarr.....well they're Amarr. Why do you think that more people are Gallente? Is it because they are first in line. That is the problem with the Gallente. Always dreaming of the "beautiful" and proposed "democracy" instead of building fortitude, tradition and pride. What are exactly are they first in line for? Hopefully its for a gruesome death...
Also they meddle in the affairs of the other empires in the same way the Amarr do preach the word of God. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
169
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Gallente because heroes don't look back at explosions. The ships look good. We win. Real men armor tank. Freedom.
"Float like a Floatbot; sting like an automatic stinging machine." Bender Firstly, ships do not look good..... they look terribly but not as bad as the Minmatar ships, secondly win, sure you do comparatively more players support the Gallente over the other races so winning through numbers while commendable is not admirable, thirdly yes REAL MEN armour tank! I love the look of the Gallente ships; they are sleek, sexy and look futuristic. I don't like rust so Minmatar ships are not for me. I do like some of the Caldari ships and the Amarr.....well they're Amarr. Why do you think that more people are Gallente? Is it because they are first in line. That is the problem with the Gallente. Always dreaming of the "beautiful" and proposed "democracy" instead of building fortitude, tradition and pride. What are exactly are they first in line for? Hopefully its for a gruesome death... Also they meddle in the affairs of the other empires in the same way the Amarr do preach the word of God.
I don't trust the Amarr. I despise them just as much and see them being a problem, if not already, for our people |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:49:00 -
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Amarr are egotistical asses, they force their religion on others and kill those who dont convert Caldari only care about money, fighting for a profit is pretty lame. They were our brothers, now they are strangers fighting a lost cause Minmatars are okay, they had a hard time but daddy gallente got your back...just stop making anti armor weapons Gallente because you're free to do whatever they want and they're the most technologically advanced race, they fight oppressive asses who think they're hot stuff |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
387
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:09:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Amarr are egotistical asses, they force their religion on others and kill those who dont convert Caldari only care about money, fighting for a profit is pretty lame. They were our brothers, now they are strangers fighting a lost cause Minmatars are okay, they had a hard time but daddy gallente got your back...just stop making anti armor weapons Gallente because you're free to do whatever they want and they're the most technologically advanced race, they fight oppressive asses who think they're hot stuff
Again poor understanding and generalisation of the Amarr leads to a very negative perception of them.
Gallente aren't the most technologically advanced the Amarr are/were. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
878
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:26:00 -
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So Ive been reading a bit more lore and some responses in this thread and the Gallente just sound so damn self righteous all the time and dont even have a religion like the Amarr as an excuse for it |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
387
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:39:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:So Ive been reading a bit more lore and some responses in this thread and the Gallente just sound so damn self righteous all the time and dont even have a religion like the Amarr as an excuse for it Essentially yes.... |
Beld Errmon
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ Orion Empire
690
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:09:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote: Where did you gather that bunch of lies? The Amarr only engage in war with those who threaten their way of life, as do the other empires. They don't destroy civilizations, they assimilate them. They are not the only race to partake in assimilation, look at your own Gellente with the Intaki and Jin-Mei. All the empires have expanded and taken over other civilizations to become as expansive as they are now.
This thread asked for peoples opinions on why they chose a faction, you should leave the role play stuff to threads in the role play section, in an out of character thread your just gunna be seen as a male reproductive organ RPing amarr.
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Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
176
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:13:00 -
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Oh stop trying to **** on someones parade. The entire forum is a role play. I see neither your real face or name. You post from within character. So you participate unknowingly. Riddle me that Batman. And may I add the threadstarter seems to welcome it... |
Beld Errmon
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ Orion Empire
690
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:17:00 -
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Im not trying to **** on their parade you over reacting toss bag, what i am doing is pointing out that they will turn ppl off role play before it even starts if they RP at ppl in a general forum. |
Flo Ymor
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:50:00 -
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My Capsuleer is Caldari too, so i chose Caldari, seemed only natural, though I fancy Winmatar too. Since you can train all skills from all races it doesn't really matter in my eyes. |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:55:00 -
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Gallente feels American and im American sooooo :P plus I think they seem more heroic than others and I like being a good guy |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
388
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Posted - 2013.07.08 12:26:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote: Where did you gather that bunch of lies? The Amarr only engage in war with those who threaten their way of life, as do the other empires. They don't destroy civilizations, they assimilate them. They are not the only race to partake in assimilation, look at your own Gellente with the Intaki and Jin-Mei. All the empires have expanded and taken over other civilizations to become as expansive as they are now.
This thread asked for peoples opinions on why they chose a faction, you should leave the role play stuff to threads in the role play section, in an out of character thread your just gunna be seen as a male reproductive organ RPing amarr. Damnit and I reminded both of us to stop preaching a few posts ago. its tough not to try and argue the Amarr rhetoric |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
388
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Posted - 2013.07.08 12:27:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:Gallente feels American and im American sooooo :P plus I think they seem more heroic than others and I like being a good guy
Not really they just yell louder than the other races but whatever floats your boat man. |
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