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True Adamance wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

But you are only looking at this from the perspective of one racial history that has historical examples of some of these reasons... AKA your probably American...seems like everyone who plays this is.

However you cannot judge the races based upon how the people of our time view them. Since the Caldari and Amarr have developed the way they have the people of their nations all recognised their system of governance as the best.

No Amarrian would normally criticise the Amarrian system of governance, nor would they question is because they believe it to be the right way of doing things, same for the caldari, and minmatar.

The Amarrian aren't fanatics either they just have faith. Christians and Catholics aren't fanatics, they just have faith, like the amarr..... people like the Blood Raiders are fanatics.... read up on them they are incredibly scary.

While it's true that one would not normally think against the only kind of life a person has known that does not mean that style is automatically justified or morale.

I'm pretty open to what people think is wrong and right and the area that a person grew up in is a main factor in how you will think.
However, the enslavement of innocent because the Amarrians saw them as lesser beings in the name of their god is pretty universally seen as "uncool" (at least by a lot of Earths Inhabitants I would think so).
Just because you have faith doesn't justify morally corrupt acts because you believe them to be good.
Last time I checked Christians weren't really cool with the idea of slavery anymore.

Nor is democracy a justified form of living.

But I see what you are saying.

But how can you say you honestly support a system that actively seeks to weed out the weakest members of society, and then establish a class systems while preaching against it.....


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Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 814	Posted - 2013.07.15 09:26:00 - [1] - Quote Well it would be easier to say the main reason for not liking the other races. Amarr- Religious zealot, slavers, I don't give a flying flip for people trying to be apologetic for the Amarr either. Caldari- Even though I sympathize with them that is simply not the way I would want a society to work. I do admire their loyalty though. Minmatar- I really don't have much of a complaint about the Minmatar besides that they base a lot of their actions based on emmotion rather than logic. So I went with Gallente because of why everyone else went with them. I know that their citizens at least have a choice how to live their life...for the most part... They are they second largest empire but their military is voluntary, you aren't even forced to go to a military school with the Gallente. I'm aware of the **** up ** Gallente have done (example, the Caldari incident) and the flaws in their society but I still see their society as decent and more in tune with my view. None of these empires are the good guys but I believe it's safe to say that Amarr take the cake as general bad guys IMO.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 814	Posted - 2013.07.15 09:44:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: But you are only looking at this from the perspective of one racial history that has historical examples of some of these reasons... AKA your probably American...seems like everyone who plays this is. However you cannot judge the races based upon how the people of our time view them. Since the Caldari and Amarr have developed the way they have the people of their nations all recognised their system of governance as the best. No Amarrian would normally criticise the Amarrian system of governance, nor would they question is because they believe it to be the right way of doing things, same for the caldari, and minmatar. The Amarrian aren't fanatics either they just have faith. Christians and Catholics aren't fanatics, they just have faith, like the amarr..... people like the Blood Raiders are fanatics.... read up on them they are incredibly scary. [/quote] I'm not saying Gallente governance is the best. While it's true that one would not normally think against the only kind of life a person has known that does not mean that style is automatically justified or morale. I'm pretty open to what people think is wrong and right and the area that a person grew up in is a main factor in how you will think. However, the enslavement of innocent because the Amarrians saw them as lesser beings in the name of their god is pretty universally seen as "uncool" (at least by a lot of Earths Inhabitants I would think so). Just because you have faith doesn't justify morally corrupt acts because you believe them to be good. Last time I checked Christians weren't really cool with the idea of slavery anymore.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 814	Posted - 2013.07.15 09:54:00 - [3] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Gallente - Their economy is held together by the drug market. A bunch of people trying to run a democracy without a clear head. Claim to be champions of freedom yet have a problem when a society peacefully exists with traditions not to their standard, even if everyone within that society is happy with their culture. I would love to hear your argument as to why the Amarrians are the clear cut choice for the "bad guys" of New Eden. I will counter it and give reasons for the Gallente to be seen as the worst empire, and I am a proud American. Congratulations, I believe I have already stated that I'm more in tuned with their ideals and not with their government or how things are ran and executed (as hinted several times within that post) I also put an IMO at the end as well. I'm also aware of the Massacre of Cadarians (correct term?) at the hands of the Gallente (as I also hinted in the post). I'd love to see your argument as to why you see the Amarr as your preferred empire/race/society what have you.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 814	Posted - 2013.07.15 09:56:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: True Adamance wrote: But you are only looking at this from the perspective of one racial history that has historical examples of some of these reasons... AKA your probably American...seems like everyone who plays this is. However you cannot judge the races based upon how the people of our time view them. Since the Caldari and Amarr have developed the way they have the people of their nations all recognised their system of governance as the best. No Amarrian would normally criticise the Amarrian system of governance, nor would they question is because they believe it to be the right way of doing things, same for the caldari, and minmatar. The Amarrian aren't fanatics either they just have faith. Christians and Catholics aren't fanatics, they just have faith, like the amarr..... people like the Blood Raiders are fanatics.... read up on them they are incredibly scary. While it's true that one would not normally think against the only kind of life a person has known that does not mean that style is automatically justified or morale. I'm pretty open to what people think is wrong and right and the area that a person grew up in is a main factor in how you will think. However, the enslavement of innocent because the Amarrians saw them as lesser beings in the name of their god is pretty universally seen as "uncool" (at least by a lot of Earths Inhabitants I would think so). Just because you have faith doesn't justify morally corrupt acts because you believe them to be good. Last time I checked Christians weren't really cool with the idea of slavery anymore. Nor is democracy a justified form of living. But I see what you are saying. But how can you say you honestly support a system that actively seeks to weed out the weakest members of society, and then establish a class systems while preaching against it..... Now that's quite simple, I don't.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 817	Posted - 2013.07.15 18:11:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: You equated slavery in Amarr society to slavery on Earth, when they have very little in common. On Earth people enslaved others because they viewed them as inferior and needed the labor. They were often treated poorly and were never intended to be freed. In Amarr society, slavery is more of a right of passage. Amarrians don't view other races as inferior, they simply view them not to have an understanding of the truth. Through hardships they believe one becomes closer to God and understanding. They are told by imperial law to treat slaves with respect, and eventually each race will complete their passage and be welcomed among the Amarr society as equals. In short, they genuinely feel they are doing a favor for them where as on Earth people just abused each other because they could. Onto point though, the Amarr Empire is one of the more peaceful ones out there. Not much violence among their civilians (unlike a certain crazed Federation man who went on a rampage killing 59 Matari including the Ray of Matar). Everyone is working for a single goal, yet they do not limit individuality like Caldari State. They are very accepting of all people regardless of race, and contrary to what you may think the Amarr Empire is one of the most ethnically diverse in all of New Eden. For sure not the best society to ever exist, but I do not find them evil or resembling "bad guys." Call me old world but that still appears to me as an immoral act and seeing their slaves as inferior, no matter how pretty you dressed it up in that post. In fact you can believe someone to not be inferior but if you treat them in ways, Even resorting to infect their property with a virus to make sure that they don't run away. I remember reading a lot of chronicles over the amarr empire when I was trying to decide for a race to chose and "Merely Disassembled" and some other chronicles/ stories that I wish I remembered the name are where my view on the amarians (and other races come from) Those are some good points and a nice reason to go along with a race for you, for me it sounds good but I despise the execution for it to get there.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 818	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:40:00 - [6] - Quote TITANIC Xangore wrote: We fight for the Amarr cause space isk, and friendship and all. I personally support my brothers of the Minmatar. Rise up and defeat all the other races cause slavery sucks. Haha It's all about the ISK. My Alliance fights for Caldari/Amarr. I'm just a merc looking for the better paycheck.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 841	Posted - 2013.07.18 03:24:00 - [7] - Quote In the end we're just mercenaries, no nation, no philosophy, no ideology, we go where we're needed, fighting not for Government but for money, keeping the individual beliefs you have at bay. Holding on to your faction and being loyal to it may hinder you from making money.