You are underestimating how useful two light weapons are. However, CCP is overestimating how useful two light weapons are.

wtf u cant say the commando has no modules then say the caldari has 4 as if they're comparable ONLY THE FIRST COMMANDO HAS NO MODULES proto caldari gets 4 u have no idea dude. If you're gona compare something make sure they're actually comparable. That said commando suits still are nothing a gimmick they are so useless its not funny ooo i can do av but i cant carry grenades how ******** is that. should've made regular heavies able to carry an hmg and a light instead

"u cant say the commando has no modules then say the caldari has 4 as if they're comparable"

"proto caldari gets 4 u have no idea dude."

"If you're gona compare something make sure they're actually comparable."

I would like to someday see this suit concept be worth something. Right now it's neat to think about how it could be decent, but nothing more.

It a needs grenade slot, no doubt EDIT: What kind of commando doesn't carry grenades and explosives in the first place!? wth..

It needs a buff to base armor and shields, so that on a proto to proto comparrison with modules fitted it falls somewhere inbetween an assault and a heavy on the total hit points value.

Bear in mind youre comparing Caldari, which are designed for quick skirmish and long range engagement versus the Amarr, which are deigned for balance in all areas at the cost of speed.

The numbers would be a lot more interesting and viable if it were a Caldari Commando or an Amarr Assault.

Time reveals all, butonly to those with the patience to committo it.

The caveat there is that while the Amarr has higher base hp, it's only a 30hp difference, and the Caldari is weighted towards shields (in which we have modules with lower hp totals to begin with). Ergo, it's harder to easily match high shield totals with singular modules because shield modules give less hp on average. The Amarr has fewer slots to try to match anything anyhow (as shorting the Amarr on slots for questionable hp gains and speed penalties is a running theme).

So, while the Caldari can apparently easily match the Commando with a relatively low-level set of mods (with respect to hp), the Amarr has issues match the shields with anything but much more expensive mods. The Amarr can still do so, it just winds up requiring higher skill levels and more ISK.

Rather than suggest the Commando is powerful though, this suggests to me that the speed and slot penalties the Amarr get in exchange for their HP boosts aren't particularly balanced at any level. The Amarr Assault's 30 hp advantage over Gall/Cald assaults is completely washed away by the module slots they get in comparison. This is born out by the fast that a single enhanced shield module or basic armor plates easily compensates for that "advantage" without giving the same speed penalty.

It would make more sense to compare an Amarr assault to the Commando, since they're both Amarr

Interesting analysis but you should really be comparing within the same race - the caldari commando might be a lot more sturdy than the amarr one. How does the amarr assault compare to the amarr commando?

edit - Just looked it up and here are the stats for the STD amarr assault:
1 low slot
Base armor 180hp
Base shield 180hp
Shield recharge 20hp/s
Walking speed 4.8m/s
Sprinting speed 6.7m/s
Stamina recovery 20/s

With the same skills you mentioned in the OP that brings armour and shield to 216hp each, which is a whooping 168ehp less than the commando suit you've told us about. Even with a militia plate that's still over 100ehp less with a pretty comparable speed too and other stats not too disimilar. So I guess the real question then is, who would spec into amarr assault when you can get a pretty similar set up on the commando but carry 2 light weapons?

I use commando suits regularly. Melee is great in close quarters combat, when you get into gun battles and both sides empty clips (so long as other player isn't using a flaylocks, but then it would have never got that far). Though I tend to forget about the extra melee and just switch weapons.

I have said from the beginning that the suit needs a grenade slot. Also a small built in armor repair would be nice.

It isn't that great as an anti vehicle because you can't keep up with the LAV/HAV's.

Actually the best use I have for it is for some counter sniping, or tact sniping of my own. However I have a feeling that it has a huge scan profile (I haven't looked to see) so even that is limited.

My R*pe Suit is a Commando and I get a lot of Kills with it and a lot of hate mails so it does it's work properly

This logic is like:

Player A: My gun X is underpowered compared to gun Y. Here is the math (read: facts)

Player B: I kill people with gun Y (anecdotal evidence), and so it obviously works properly (hasty generalization or idiocy).

The numbers don't lie.

Definition. It does it's work properly for me. I use it because it's fun with it and I have fun so it works. I dont pay a f*ck on my KDR then after these matches.

Bear in mind youre comparing Caldari, which are designed for quick skirmish and long range engagement versus the Amarr, which are deigned for balance in all areas at the cost of speed.

The numbers would be a lot more interesting and viable if it were a Caldari Commando or an Amarr Assault.

Time reveals all, butonly to those with the patience to committo it.

if you use a militia caldar meduim frame (610isk), with 2 x militia sheild extenders (600isk), and 1 basic armor plate (610isk) you get circa the same ehp with a markedly lower cost

(210 + 44 = 250 shield; 120 + 68= 188 armor) = 438 ehp

well 500 ehp for a commando is slightly better than 438 ehp for a militia caldari medium frame. look at the prices:

commando 8000 ISK @ STD
militia caldari setup just mentioned, 1800isk @ militia

wtf?....lol a milita suit and fitting that is basically free. if you choose caldari as your race most of this suff comes free on it already....lol

oh and about the suit you made about the beginning. without using the enhanced armor plate you can stack on a armor rep md and their you go, longevity is increased by a larger amount than with the commando

I'd really like to see the Commando suit get some love. I took Commando to Proto, but the unskilled Dragonfly Scout and Dragon Assault are still much more useful to me as far as not dying and helping the team.

Commandos are so rare that I think they became a "New Coke" sort of thing. People rushed out and tried them, figured out they sucked, then dropped them.

Anyone that's played for any length of time knows how long the Logi thing took to be addressed. I assume you don't see posts about the Commando anymore because everyone's abandoned the unplayable goof since waiting could take forever and it's straight-up not usable now.

The commando needs a major speed buff, since it has nothing going for it besides the 2 light weapon slots; its way too slow for that low HP.

Commandos are so rare that I think they became a "New Coke" sort of thing. People rushed out and tried them, figured out they sucked, then dropped them.

Anyone that's played for any length of time knows how long the Logi thing took to be addressed. I assume you don't see posts about the Commando anymore because everyone's abandoned the unplayable goof since waiting could take forever and it's straight-up not usable now.

Commando suits are fun but not competitive. I skilled into Adv suits because I was bored of 7 months of HMG/FG monotony. It's fun to run around in pubs with Adv MD as a main weapon and a GEK as a side arm and actually get WP dropping UL and Hives. But with those two ADV weapons a Complex Damage Mod, Adv Repper and compact hives the Suit Runs me 58K (Somewhere around that I am not around my PS3 ATM). I think the suits need a module buff, a speed buff and maybe a decrease in price (never going to happen) or they will continue to be a novelty. Is anyone skilled into Proto suits? I don't think it is even possible to have 1 proto gun and one adv gun even with most of my passives skilled into 4 and 5.