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Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:27:00 -
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Interesting analysis but you should really be comparing within the same race - the caldari commando might be a lot more sturdy than the amarr one. How does the amarr assault compare to the amarr commando? |
Talos Alomar
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:28:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Interesting analysis but you should really be comparing within the same race - the caldari commando might be a lot more sturdy than the amarr one. How does the amarr assault compare to the amarr commando?
edit - Just looked it up and here are the stats for the STD amarr assault: 1 low slot Base armor 180hp Base shield 180hp Shield recharge 20hp/s Walking speed 4.8m/s Sprinting speed 6.7m/s Stamina recovery 20/s
With the same skills you mentioned in the OP that brings armour and shield to 216hp each, which is a whooping 168ehp less than the commando suit you've told us about. Even with a militia plate that's still over 100ehp less with a pretty comparable speed too and other stats not too disimilar. So I guess the real question then is, who would spec into amarr assault when you can get a pretty similar set up on the commando but carry 2 light weapons?
Amarr assault has the heat management bonus for laser weapons and more high slots for better damage through mods, and the shield on the assault suit recharges twice as fast (or faster depending on your assault skill) as the commando's shield.
Being able to fit an armor rep mod at std level is incredibly vital for survival as well. The Amarr assault has better perks and a much better chance at survival. |
Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.07.29 16:15:00 -
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I spent time typing up an Amarr comparison earlier and the post got eaten. That said, the Amarr STD assault also compares very favorably with the Commando (same number of slots as the proto commando, better speed, shields, etc.).
Instead of retyping it though, I decided it didn't matter. If the Caldari Assault at STD (a suit they've released in BPO form numerous times) is better than a more expensive suit (both in ISK and SP) in pretty much every possible way... the Commando is a failure.
Two light weapons alone can't justify crippling EVERYTHING.
I get that there would be some concerns balancing dual light weapons, but with module slots, speed, fitting, no grenade, low ehp, and shield recharge all crippled... it is a gimp-suit. |
Idye Lotz
xCosmic Voidx The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:02:00 -
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I use commando suits regularly. Melee is great in close quarters combat, when you get into gun battles and both sides empty clips (so long as other player isn't using a flaylocks, but then it would have never got that far). Though I tend to forget about the extra melee and just switch weapons.
I have said from the beginning that the suit needs a grenade slot. Also a small built in armor repair would be nice.
It isn't that great as an anti vehicle because you can't keep up with the LAV/HAV's.
Actually the best use I have for it is for some counter sniping, or tact sniping of my own. However I have a feeling that it has a huge scan profile (I haven't looked to see) so even that is limited.
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Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:42:00 -
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Idye Lotz wrote:I use commando suits regularly. Melee is great in close quarters combat, when you get into gun battles and both sides empty clips (so long as other player isn't using a flaylocks, but then it would have never got that far). Though I tend to forget about the extra melee and just switch weapons.
I have said from the beginning that the suit needs a grenade slot. Also a small built in armor repair would be nice.
It isn't that great as an anti vehicle because you can't keep up with the LAV/HAV's.
Actually the best use I have for it is for some counter sniping, or tact sniping of my own. However I have a feeling that it has a huge scan profile (I haven't looked to see) so even that is limited.
Yeah, it has a heavy scan profile. |
Kelrie Nae'bre
not in a corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.30 06:04:00 -
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The suit speed dooms use of the melee attack in most instances. It's difficult to close the distance when every suit backpedals faster than you move. I've never seen a commando even try to melee someone, probably for that reason. |
xSir Campsalotx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.30 07:44:00 -
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Half the life No grenades Half shield regen Same giant hit box Barely any slots No Heavy weapon!
So all I get is an upgraded sidearm slot and a single equipment while also having to lose my heavy slot?
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Cyrille Fodeux
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.31 19:55:00 -
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My R*pe Suit is a Commando and I get a lot of Kills with it and a lot of hate mails so it does it's work properly |
Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.07.31 19:58:00 -
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Cyrille Fodeux wrote:My R*pe Suit is a Commando and I get a lot of Kills with it and a lot of hate mails so it does it's work properly
This logic is like:
Player A: My gun X is underpowered compared to gun Y. Here is the math (read: facts)
Player B: I kill people with gun Y (anecdotal evidence), and so it obviously works properly (hasty generalization or idiocy).
The numbers don't lie. |
Cyrille Fodeux
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.31 20:03:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Cyrille Fodeux wrote:My R*pe Suit is a Commando and I get a lot of Kills with it and a lot of hate mails so it does it's work properly This logic is like: Player A: My gun X is underpowered compared to gun Y. Here is the math (read: facts) Player B: I kill people with gun Y (anecdotal evidence), and so it obviously works properly (hasty generalization or idiocy). The numbers don't lie.
Definition. It does it's work properly for me. I use it because it's fun with it and I have fun so it works. I dont pay a f*ck on my KDR then after these matches. |
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Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.07.31 20:12:00 -
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Cyrille Fodeux wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:Cyrille Fodeux wrote:My R*pe Suit is a Commando and I get a lot of Kills with it and a lot of hate mails so it does it's work properly This logic is like: Player A: My gun X is underpowered compared to gun Y. Here is the math (read: facts) Player B: I kill people with gun Y (anecdotal evidence), and so it obviously works properly (hasty generalization or idiocy). The numbers don't lie. Definition. It does it's work properly for me. I use it because it's fun with it and I have fun so it works. I dont pay a f*ck on my KDR then after these matches.
I'm glad you have fun with it. Sometimes I run with weights to make it harder myself, and I've done low-level playthroughs of Dark Souls.
Perhaps they can fix the suit so it has some sort of useful role for everyone else. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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Posted - 2013.07.31 21:01:00 -
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if you use a militia caldar meduim frame (610isk), with 2 x militia sheild extenders (600isk), and 1 basic armor plate (610isk) you get circa the same ehp with a markedly lower cost
(210 + 44 = 250 shield; 120 + 68= 188 armor) = 438 ehp
well 500 ehp for a commando is slightly better than 438 ehp for a militia caldari medium frame. look at the prices:
commando 8000 ISK @ STD militia caldari setup just mentioned, 1800isk @ militia
wtf?....lol a milita suit and fitting that is basically free. if you choose caldari as your race most of this suff comes free on it already....lol
oh and about the suit you made about the beginning. without using the enhanced armor plate you can stack on a armor rep md and their you go, longevity is increased by a larger amount than with the commando |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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Posted - 2013.07.31 21:20:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Bear in mind youre comparing Caldari, which are designed for quick skirmish and long range engagement versus the Amarr, which are deigned for balance in all areas at the cost of speed.
The numbers would be a lot more interesting and viable if it were a Caldari Commando or an Amarr Assault.
Time reveals all, butonly to those with the patience to committo it.
ok then how about this then.
milita Amar medium frame. 225 sheidl, 225 armor (thats already basically a commando. i have shield and armor level 5. but the ratios is still the same if i had a commando with the same skillpoints)
militia Amar suit, 2 sheild extenders, no low slots
thats 225 + 44 = 269 + 225 = 494 ehp for a militia Armar suit. cost = 1200isk
commando suit = 281+281 = 562 ehp
562 commando is > 494 ehp milita amar medium
@ std i can add one basic armor plate to get
562 commando @ std = 562 amar basic std frame.
562 commando @ std = 8000isk 562 Amar basic std = 3200isk
wtf |
Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.07.31 21:21:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:if you use a militia caldar meduim frame (610isk), with 2 x militia sheild extenders (600isk), and 1 basic armor plate (610isk) you get circa the same ehp with a markedly lower cost
(210 + 44 = 250 shield; 120 + 68= 188 armor) = 438 ehp
well 500 ehp for a commando is slightly better than 438 ehp for a militia caldari medium frame. look at the prices:
commando 8000 ISK @ STD militia caldari setup just mentioned, 1800isk @ militia
wtf?....lol a milita suit and fitting that is basically free. if you choose caldari as your race most of this suff comes free on it already....lol
oh and about the suit you made about the beginning. without using the enhanced armor plate you can stack on a armor rep md and their you go, longevity is increased by a larger amount than with the commando
This is true. The module slots are generally going to give you more flexibility... repping, speed, whatever you want. No module slots leave you with just the HP. The point of the OP was to say that you don't even really have that advantage - you're full of suck and you pay extra for it. |
Nikea Nei
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:46:00 -
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I'd really like to see the Commando suit get some love. I took Commando to Proto, but the unskilled Dragonfly Scout and Dragon Assault are still much more useful to me as far as not dying and helping the team. |
Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.08.07 06:38:00 -
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Nikea Nei wrote:I'd really like to see the Commando suit get some love. I took Commando to Proto, but the unskilled Dragonfly Scout and Dragon Assault are still much more useful to me as far as not dying and helping the team.
Unfortunately, the Commando will seemingly be the King of "Get F'd" for the time being. Enjoy your Caldari super-suit in the meantime. |
Dehlia Metii
not in a corporation
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Posted - 2013.08.13 22:14:00 -
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Commandos are so rare that I think they became a "New Coke" sort of thing. People rushed out and tried them, figured out they sucked, then dropped them.
Anyone that's played for any length of time knows how long the Logi thing took to be addressed. I assume you don't see posts about the Commando anymore because everyone's abandoned the unplayable goof since waiting could take forever and it's straight-up not usable now. |
Cyrille Fodeux
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.13 23:07:00 -
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Dehlia Metii wrote:Commandos are so rare that I think they became a "New Coke" sort of thing. People rushed out and tried them, figured out they sucked, then dropped them.
Anyone that's played for any length of time knows how long the Logi thing took to be addressed. I assume you don't see posts about the Commando anymore because everyone's abandoned the unplayable goof since waiting could take forever and it's straight-up not usable now. I still use and even the STD one is awesome with the right weapons.
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Kelrie Nae'bre
not in a corporation
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Posted - 2013.08.13 23:49:00 -
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I'll admit that even if you think they're alright, you never see them. |
The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.22 08:11:00 -
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The commando needs a major speed buff, since it has nothing going for it besides the 2 light weapon slots; its way too slow for that low HP. |
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Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.08.22 08:20:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:The commando needs a major speed buff, since it has nothing going for it besides the 2 light weapon slots; its way too slow for that low HP.
Well.... hp buff, speed bufff, slot buff, useful passive (not one that relies on slots when you have 3 at PRO, e.g. worthless at STD), etc.
There's lots of ways they could fix things. The Commando has a perfect storm of issues at the moment, and the dual-LW perk isn't quite enough to compensate.
Commandos that "do okay" usually avoid roles that move much I've noticed (Sniper/Swarm), but they wind up being subpar at that too. It's just that the roles they've picked are less dangerous by their nature. That is, if you've been placed on the roof somewhere with a swarm and a sniper, you're already out of range for a lot of players, and you have a good vantage to use your weapons. That would be true regardless of role. They'd still be packing fewer damage mods max and less hp at that point. |
Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:28:00 -
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Dehlia Metii wrote:Commandos are so rare that I think they became a "New Coke" sort of thing. People rushed out and tried them, figured out they sucked, then dropped them.
Anyone that's played for any length of time knows how long the Logi thing took to be addressed. I assume you don't see posts about the Commando anymore because everyone's abandoned the unplayable goof since waiting could take forever and it's straight-up not usable now.
I can confirm the Commandos are still... scarce and crappy.
Maybe they get retooled when the other heavy suits come out... or something.
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Chit Hoppened
Venomous Rat Regeneration Vendors
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:56:00 -
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The Commando suit is a very odd role indeed on the battlefield but serves a very good one Being able to carry two light weapons might not seem very exciting but gives you a HUGE selections of combinations that can Change the way things happen (AScR/MD to strip shields from groups of enemies then blasting them to kingdom come; Dual Swarm Launchers to be a perfect AV beast; Sniper Rifle/Shotgun for super long range and that FALCON PUNCH! for When someone gets a little too close) The lack of slots is a HUGE hindrance as far as things like eHP, damage output, or even speed buffing as well as no Grenade slot makes many a clone just want to say no If you max out the passive skills (you've been doing that right?) helps him some but nowhere near enough Give the Commando an extra equipment slot (2 MAX; anymore would step on the toes of the LogiBros), an extra slot or two, or The always handy grenade and he would be a terror that most just would not want to deal with
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trigonomics
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:05:00 -
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Commando suits are fun but not competitive. I skilled into Adv suits because I was bored of 7 months of HMG/FG monotony. It's fun to run around in pubs with Adv MD as a main weapon and a GEK as a side arm and actually get WP dropping UL and Hives. But with those two ADV weapons a Complex Damage Mod, Adv Repper and compact hives the Suit Runs me 58K (Somewhere around that I am not around my PS3 ATM). I think the suits need a module buff, a speed buff and maybe a decrease in price (never going to happen) or they will continue to be a novelty. Is anyone skilled into Proto suits? I don't think it is even possible to have 1 proto gun and one adv gun even with most of my passives skilled into 4 and 5. |
Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:53:00 -
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trigonomics wrote:Commando suits are fun but not competitive. I skilled into Adv suits because I was bored of 7 months of HMG/FG monotony. It's fun to run around in pubs with Adv MD as a main weapon and a GEK as a side arm and actually get WP dropping UL and Hives. But with those two ADV weapons a Complex Damage Mod, Adv Repper and compact hives the Suit Runs me 58K (Somewhere around that I am not around my PS3 ATM). I think the suits need a module buff, a speed buff and maybe a decrease in price (never going to happen) or they will continue to be a novelty. Is anyone skilled into Proto suits? I don't think it is even possible to have 1 proto gun and one adv gun even with most of my passives skilled into 4 and 5.
Yeah, Trig. I made this post after skilling into PRO Commando on my alt (also in-corp). She's got about 6.5-7 million invested, suits to PRO, several passives leveled up (Armor/Shield Passives maxed), and so on.
The part that threw me for a loop was how much easier matches were just playing with fittings based on her STD Caldari Assault BPO (Dragonfly). That's why I crunched the numbers originally, because it seemed wrong that it was so much easier. As it turns out, there's some severe numerical... issues I guess. As a side note, the PRO suit looks very plain compared to most PRO suits... it doesn't have the red lights and black detailing. It makes me feel like it was rushed out. |
Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.09.24 22:11:00 -
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Continues to be a horrible, horrible suit that needs balancing (read: buffing). |
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