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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:09:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:What kind of person goes out of his way to rant about a different suit calling others whiners and then whines about his?
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I wonder if he realizes he's using the worst suit as his standard? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2252
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:19:00 -
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I'm not a heavy, but as a chubby chasing logi, I see enough of them in action to confirm that heavies are in a somewhat good place. The real problem is that their new "defender" role pretty much sucks. Who want's to invest 18,000,000+ SP into a class if all you can do is camp? |
Asher Night
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
219
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:26:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:What kind of person goes out of his way to rant about a different suit calling others whiners and then whines about his?
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
An awesome person who is stating the facts. Before you whine, look at both sides of the argument - and I have. Being a heavy was easy.
All these people that whine about the heavy suit have clearly not tried anything else and have no interest in getting into a fight that requires gun game. It scares them. |
Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
86
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:32:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I'm not a heavy, but as a chubby chasing logi, I see enough of them in action to confirm that heavies are in a somewhat good place. The real problem is that their new "defender" role pretty much sucks. Who want's to invest 18,000,000+ SP into a class if all you can do is camp?
This problem goes back to the fact there's no other REAL heavy suit. The way the amarr suit is set up suits a play style that most of the heavies don't like to play as, hence the QQ. But that aside they also lack different weapons as well.
Logis and assaults have 4 different styles of playing and scouts have 2 so unless your a heavy opinions are moot since assaults and logis can pick the flavor that suits them best.
Its not that heavies need buffs but just that CCP needs to do their damned job. |
lol bunnies
Always playing to AFK
0
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:33:00 -
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Any class can have 900+HP except scouts and certain medium suits can attain 1290hp whilst a setinel caps at 1589hp. Only about 300hp difference. |
Asher Night
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:38:00 -
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lol bunnies wrote:Any class can have 900+HP except scouts and certain medium suits can attain 1290hp whilst a setinel caps at 1589hp. Only about 300hp difference.
Lol "only about 300hp difference."
Are you saying Sentinels should have more HP? That's my entire life as a scout. Only about 300hp. Lol... |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2253
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:40:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:Cosgar wrote:I'm not a heavy, but as a chubby chasing logi, I see enough of them in action to confirm that heavies are in a somewhat good place. The real problem is that their new "defender" role pretty much sucks. Who want's to invest 18,000,000+ SP into a class if all you can do is camp? This problem goes back to the fact there's no other REAL heavy suit. The way the amarr suit is set up suits a play style that most of the heavies don't like to play as, hence the QQ. But that aside they also lack different weapons as well. Logis and assaults have 4 different styles of playing and scouts have 2 so unless your a heavy opinions are moot since assaults and logis can pick the flavor that suits them best. Its not that heavies need buffs but just that CCP needs to do their damned job. I agree with that too, we need more heavies and heavy weapons. Like I said in another topic, we need more heavy suits and weapons so it can be balanced within its class, instead of scaled down to the standards of medium suits and light weapons. |
DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:41:00 -
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lol bunnies wrote:Any class can have 900+HP except scouts and certain medium suits can attain 1290hp whilst a setinel caps at 1589hp. Only about 300hp difference.
what the **** not even the caldari logi can get barely over a thousand. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2253
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:46:00 -
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DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote:lol bunnies wrote:Any class can have 900+HP except scouts and certain medium suits can attain 1290hp whilst a setinel caps at 1589hp. Only about 300hp difference. what the **** not even the caldari logi can get barely over a thousand. You see why I defend the flaylock pistol now? |
General Erick
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
43
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:48:00 -
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I'm a heavy HMG and I'm not complaining. I just wish I could pay back all of those murder taxis. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
2255
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:51:00 -
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General Erick wrote:I'm a heavy HMG and I'm not complaining. I just wish I could pay back all of those murder taxis with my 'body blender'. Yeah, It's hard enough for medium frames to dodge cars, but heavies get screwed when they're trying to cross the street. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1000
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:10:00 -
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heavy complaint: sentinel suits are not fun and commandos aren't really fatsuits. that's more or less it right now.
the armor tanking issues are merely more obnoxiously obvious on heavies. But the armor tanking issue affects the gallente and amarr medium and light suits more than it does the amarr heavy suit. But right now the long and short of the problems with heavies are nested in the viability of armor tanking. I guarantee you that when the caldari heavy is released people will scream because of the current shield > armor meta.
Fixing armor tanking (which fixes all of the other amarr and gallente suits) fixes heavies.
the HMG has issues but other weapons need to be fixed before even the very slight buff that might be needed should be considered.
Forge gun is fine.
Please don't confuse the issues. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
172
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:14:00 -
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I agree, i hate the Sentinel because is a defensive role, and i prefer a more "aggressive" approach...If you want to be aggressive with a Heavy try the Commando suit , that is their intended role... But you may need to "aim" and use the crapy GEK-38, so most heavies will provably hate that.. ohh, and also die alot, and loose alot of ISK in some battles.
Advanced Commando with a crapy weapons set up cost 50,000 isk... |
Asher Night
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:18:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:General Erick wrote:I'm a heavy HMG and I'm not complaining. I just wish I could pay back all of those murder taxis with my 'body blender'. Yeah, It's hard enough for medium frames to dodge cars, but heavies get screwed when they're trying to cross the street.
Sentinel means guarding an area.
You have no reason to be crossing a street.
I complain about the map layout, but there isn't one objective that doesn't have an area close by that you can squeeze into where LAVs can't reach you.
If you ever get ran over as a heavy then you weren't playing your role right. If some ******* on the other team drove a lav all the way over to your spawn at thee start of the game and ran you over on your way to the first objectives, then I can understand being upset - but you can call in a free lav so stop whining.
Sentinel - A soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1145
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:21:00 -
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To the post title:
There is no other option if you want to use heavy weapons (Sentinel). As for commandos, I can only assume people are deluded or desperately hoping they get fixed. Right now they're a vortex of suck so large they defy rational explanation. There might be an element of shock as well, as you skill into a new class and you keep playing because you can't believe how bad it is. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1001
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:26:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:
Sentinel means guarding an area.
You have no reason to be crossing a street.
Sentinel - A soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch.
I reject your decision that I only get to have one playstyle. I will continue to both reject (and successfully ignore) your premise.
A heavy suit is a heavy suit. it is not the same as a sentinel suit. Get this through your head. |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
253
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:28:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:heavy complaint: sentinel suits are not fun and commandos aren't really fatsuits. that's more or less it right now.
the armor tanking issues are merely more obnoxiously obvious on heavies. But the armor tanking issue affects the gallente and amarr medium and light suits more than it does the amarr heavy suit. But right now the long and short of the problems with heavies are nested in the viability of armor tanking. I guarantee you that when the caldari heavy is released people will scream because of the current shield > armor meta.
Fixing armor tanking (which fixes all of the other amarr and gallente suits) fixes heavies.
the HMG has issues but other weapons need to be fixed before even the very slight buff that might be needed should be considered.
Forge gun is fine.
Please don't confuse the issues.
This is a pretty valid point about armor tanking. The ballistics dmg dealt by high rate of fire ARs chews up armor faster than people think. Armor tanking a fat suit might look great on paper but in practice its really not as much of a benefit as it seems when compared to the other loadout options a player can use modules for. |
Asher Night
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:28:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Asher Night wrote:
Sentinel means guarding an area.
You have no reason to be crossing a street.
Sentinel - A soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch.
I reject your decision that I only get to have one playstyle. I will continue to both reject (and successfully ignore) your premise. A heavy suit is a heavy suit. it is not the same as a sentinel suit. Get this through your head.
I would, but I'm very against shoving bullsh!t into my ears. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1001
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:31:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:
I would, but I'm very against shoving bullsh!t into my ears.
no, you hang out in the forums, which means you prefer to pack it into your eyesockets. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
172
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:34:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:To the post title:
There is no other option if you want to use heavy weapons (Sentinel). As for commandos, I can only assume people are deluded or desperately hoping they get fixed. Right now they're a vortex of suck so large they defy rational explanation. There might be an element of shock as well, as you skill into a new class and you keep playing because you can't believe how bad it is.
No exactly true.. i starting to enjoy the Commando now, BUT it takes lots of SP to make it work ;
-Max Shields Core Passive Skills. -Max Armor Core Passive Skills. -Max Sprint Speed Core Passive Skills. -Maxed AR passive damage multiplier, and sharpshooter skills. -And i still trying to max Swarm Launcher skills.. that is going to take me a while.
The result is:
350hp shield ( with a complex shield extender ) 316hp Armor Speed Sprint 5.7... I think, i have to check later.
In other words.. i half decent if you have ALL that things. |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2590
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:36:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Cosgar wrote:General Erick wrote:I'm a heavy HMG and I'm not complaining. I just wish I could pay back all of those murder taxis with my 'body blender'. Yeah, It's hard enough for medium frames to dodge cars, but heavies get screwed when they're trying to cross the street. Sentinel means guarding an area.You have no reason to be crossing a street. I complain about the map layout, but there isn't one objective that doesn't have an area close by that you can squeeze into where LAVs can't reach you. If you ever get ran over as a heavy then you weren't playing your role right. If some ******* on the other team drove a lav all the way over to your spawn at thee start of the game and ran you over on your way to the first objectives, then I can understand being upset - but you can call in a free lav so stop whining. Sentinel - A soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch.
lol @ telling someone how to play their class... been seeing good jokes on the forums lately
@ OP
i didn't read your whole rant cuz you're whining about people whining, and maybe i'm here whining at you for whining... who knows, it's a matter of perspective isn't it.
I don't know when last a heavy made a thread (general discussion) saying the HMG is UP or the suit doesn't have enough HP. Pretty sure nobody had a problem with the suit other than we're forced to choose a suit that most people didn't want.
lolSentinel... people have a right to complain about that joke. Some people like it, and find a use for it, but I'm not one of those people, so my opinion is biased against the suit.
Threads made in the feedback section should not be viewed as QQ or whining. Because someone has a different opinion about something doesn't mean he / she is crying or complaining about it. Some of those threads bring up valid points, and pretty good ideas.
But hey, here you are complaining about whiners in your whiny thread, while i disagree with you... or did I whine? I'm so confused
Perception of an opinion... hell of a thing huh |
Asher Night
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:42:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Asher Night wrote:Cosgar wrote:General Erick wrote:I'm a heavy HMG and I'm not complaining. I just wish I could pay back all of those murder taxis with my 'body blender'. Yeah, It's hard enough for medium frames to dodge cars, but heavies get screwed when they're trying to cross the street. Sentinel means guarding an area.You have no reason to be crossing a street. I complain about the map layout, but there isn't one objective that doesn't have an area close by that you can squeeze into where LAVs can't reach you. If you ever get ran over as a heavy then you weren't playing your role right. If some ******* on the other team drove a lav all the way over to your spawn at thee start of the game and ran you over on your way to the first objectives, then I can understand being upset - but you can call in a free lav so stop whining. Sentinel - A soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch. lol @ telling someone how to play their class... been seeing good jokes on the forums lately @ OP i didn't read your whole rant cuz you're whining about people whining, and maybe i'm here whining at you for whining... who knows, it's a matter of perspective isn't it. I don't know when last a heavy made a thread (general discussion) saying the HMG is UP or the suit doesn't have enough HP. Pretty sure nobody had a problem with the suit other than we're forced to choose a suit that most people didn't want. lolSentinel... people have a right to complain about that joke. Some people like it, and find a use for it, but I'm not one of those people, so my opinion is biased against the suit. Threads made in the feedback section should not be viewed as QQ or whining. Because someone has a different opinion about something doesn't mean he / she is crying or complaining about it. Some of those threads bring up valid points, and pretty good ideas. But hey, here you are complaining about whiners in your whiny thread, while i disagree with you... or did I whine? I'm so confused Perception of an opinion... hell of a thing huh
>I can't remember the last time someone complained about heavies not having enough benefits >People saying heavies need more benefits on the exact forum they would request benefits don't count.
Wut. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1001
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:43:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I don't know when last a heavy made a thread (general discussion) saying the HMG is UP or the suit doesn't have enough HP. Pretty sure nobody had a problem with the suit other than we're forced to choose a suit that most people didn't want.
Actually D Legendary Hero is a major advocate for making heavies pretty much invincible. He demands things like AR range on the HMG, 30% small arms damage resistance for heavies, etc.
Basically **** most of us would recognize as a bad idea. Unfortunately he has a little echo chamber of newer heavies who are accustomed to getting stomped routinely and don't realize that heavies require the single-most hefty investment in core dropsuit skills to make viable. Further they refuse to acknowledge that when armor is made equally viable with shields the heavy will be completely, utterly fixed.
I imagine it's those stupid threads and threadjacks that he's whining about. Because D threadjacks anything remotely resembling of interest to heavies to copypasta his posts, and makes posts advocating ridiculously powerful additions to fatsuits. He either has a lot of alts or a buncha clueless newbs who don't know any better parroting him. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2590
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:45:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Asher Night wrote:Cosgar wrote:General Erick wrote:I'm a heavy HMG and I'm not complaining. I just wish I could pay back all of those murder taxis with my 'body blender'. Yeah, It's hard enough for medium frames to dodge cars, but heavies get screwed when they're trying to cross the street. Sentinel means guarding an area.You have no reason to be crossing a street. I complain about the map layout, but there isn't one objective that doesn't have an area close by that you can squeeze into where LAVs can't reach you. If you ever get ran over as a heavy then you weren't playing your role right. If some ******* on the other team drove a lav all the way over to your spawn at thee start of the game and ran you over on your way to the first objectives, then I can understand being upset - but you can call in a free lav so stop whining. Sentinel - A soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch. lol @ telling someone how to play their class... been seeing good jokes on the forums lately @ OP i didn't read your whole rant cuz you're whining about people whining, and maybe i'm here whining at you for whining... who knows, it's a matter of perspective isn't it. I don't know when last a heavy made a thread (general discussion) saying the HMG is UP or the suit doesn't have enough HP. Pretty sure nobody had a problem with the suit other than we're forced to choose a suit that most people didn't want. lolSentinel... people have a right to complain about that joke. Some people like it, and find a use for it, but I'm not one of those people, so my opinion is biased against the suit. Threads made in the feedback section should not be viewed as QQ or whining. Because someone has a different opinion about something doesn't mean he / she is crying or complaining about it. Some of those threads bring up valid points, and pretty good ideas. But hey, here you are complaining about whiners in your whiny thread, while i disagree with you... or did I whine? I'm so confused Perception of an opinion... hell of a thing huh >I can't remember the last time someone complained about heavies not having enough benefits >People saying heavies need more benefits on the exact forum they would request benefits don't count. Wut.
pretty sure the bonus on the commando suit and Sentinel suit is poop...even a CPM member said as much. Legit complaint. Anything else?
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Asher Night
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:48:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: pretty sure the bonus on the commando suit and Sentinel suit is poop...even a CPM member said as much. Legit complaint. Anything else?
Anything else is what I would be asking you, you derper.
The bonuses on a lot of suits are crap. I'm a Gallente scout - my bonus sucks. I seriously don't even think about it though. Your weapons, modules, and playstyle can easily make up for it. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1001
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:51:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: pretty sure the bonus on the commando suit and Sentinel suit is poop...even a CPM member said as much. Legit complaint. Anything else?
Anything else is what I would be asking you, you derper. The bonuses on a lot of suits are crap. I'm a Gallente scout - my bonus sucks. I seriously don't even think about it though. Your weapons, modules, and playstyle can easily make up for it.
making armor tanking more viable would make gallente scouts more viable.
and a lot tougher than the current meta of being protected by hope and paper. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2590
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:56:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: pretty sure the bonus on the commando suit and Sentinel suit is poop...even a CPM member said as much. Legit complaint. Anything else?
Anything else is what I would be asking you, you derper. The bonuses on a lot of suits are crap. I'm a Gallente scout - my bonus sucks. I seriously don't even think about it though. Your weapons, modules, and playstyle can easily make up for it.
and? if you chose not to complain about it fine. Others will, until CCP sees it, AND THEY DID. CCP said they're looking to give scouts "some love".
You saw the thread CCP picked up? Was that whiny to you? In fact, I don't really care for your opinion on that matter for a very simple reason, CCP SAW IT.
Only way CCP will see a problem is if people raise their voice about it. So you're getting a buff to your suit cuz enough people cried about it. You realize how stupid you look when you make fun of people whining when your suit is getting a buff cuz...?...you got it, PEOPLE WHINED ABOUT THE SCOUT SUIT
Well played sir. See you next time for your next worthless thread? |
Queen of Uranus
Dust 514 Forum Trolls
65
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:23:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Asher Night wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: pretty sure the bonus on the commando suit and Sentinel suit is poop...even a CPM member said as much. Legit complaint. Anything else? Anything else is what I would be asking you, you derper. The bonuses on a lot of suits are crap. I'm a Gallente scout - my bonus sucks. I seriously don't even think about it though. Your weapons, modules, and playstyle can easily make up for it. and? if you chose not to complain about it fine. Others will, until CCP sees it, AND THEY DID. CCP said they're looking to give scouts "some love". You saw the thread CCP picked up? Was that whiny to you? In fact, I don't really care for your opinion on that matter for a very simple reason, CCP SAW IT. Only way CCP will see a problem is if people raise their voice about it. So you're getting a buff to your suit cuz enough people cried about it. You realize how stupid you look when you make fun of people whining when your suit is getting a buff cuz...?...you got it, PEOPLE WHINED ABOUT THE SCOUT SUIT Well played sir. See you next time for your next worthless thread?
Ok you're sounding stupid here. The scouts need help, they die to any and everything thats a fact. CCP also has the hard data to safely say that in fact they are walking bullet sponges and do need help. Granted there were QQ threads CCP most likley looked at the numbers to see a relation between the QQ and the data and therefore have announced plans to show them some "love". Heavys well suck it up and get gud you cannot have all pluses and no minus'. |
Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
124
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:24:00 -
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I've been playing heavy for a bit over a week now. Drastically improved K/D ratio. Significantly lowered rate of death. It's not at all uncommon for me to get a 7/0 kill rating and that's not even counting all the people who I tear up so my team can finish them. Got 18 assists in one match today.
Heavies are fine. And we'll be even better after the flaylock nerf and the armor buff that are probably coming sometime down the road. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2257
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:31:00 -
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Tharak Meuridiar wrote:I've been playing heavy for a bit over a week now. Drastically improved K/D ratio. Significantly lowered rate of death. It's not at all uncommon for me to get a 7/0 kill rating and that's not even counting all the people who I tear up so my team can finish them. Got 18 assists in one match today.
Heavies are fine. And we'll be even better after the flaylock nerf and the armor buff that are probably coming sometime down the road. I'm starting to think that the flaylock is the only thing stopping heavies from getting nerfed into the ground again. |
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