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RA Drahcir
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:13:00 -
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PS If you think every class should be about to out DPS a heavy when toe-to-toe, you are out of your head. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Blueberry Gunners
1952
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:23:00 -
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I've played everything, and I know the HMG is UP.
It seems OP to scouts because they die easily, and the HMG hits easily. However, assault rifles deal damage more quickly than HMGs, and over a much longer range |
Superhero Rawdon
Chaotic-Intent
58
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:25:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've played everything, and I know the HMG is UP.
It seems OP to scouts because they die easily, and the HMG hits easily. However, assault rifles deal damage more quickly than HMGs, and over a much longer range
u forgot mroe dmg per round xD |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4531
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:26:00 -
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If this guy is so bent out of shape about Heavies being able to walk, imagine what he's gonna do when he learns about Caldari Logi's
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1017
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Posted - 2013.07.08 03:56:00 -
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9/10 Asher.
Good work. my highest awarded rating yet. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
406
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:05:00 -
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oso tiburon wrote:Cosgar wrote:KripnawtiQ Prime wrote:Cosgar wrote:Tharak Meuridiar wrote:I've been playing heavy for a bit over a week now. Drastically improved K/D ratio. Significantly lowered rate of death. It's not at all uncommon for me to get a 7/0 kill rating and that's not even counting all the people who I tear up so my team can finish them. Got 18 assists in one match today.
Heavies are fine. And we'll be even better after the flaylock nerf and the armor buff that are probably coming sometime down the road. I'm starting to think that the flaylock is the only thing stopping heavies from getting nerfed into the ground again. Lol little Kansas City shuffle action....CCP dev says "lets make the Flaylock super OP so people will have something to complain about besides heavies". More like if there wasn't a hard counter for heaviesl, newberries would be on here QQing about how heavies and the nerf Mjolnir would come down on them again. Seriously, if it weren't for flaylocks, heavies would be OP, you guys are hard as hell to kill. we aint that hard to kill Speaking as a scout yall can actually be pretty well tanked not only in armor but on the shield side as well making yall a pain to deal with if fit correctly.
Mass driving scout out |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2302
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:07:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:If this guy is so bent out of shape about Heavies being able to walk, imagine what he's gonna do when he learns about Caldari Logi's More people need to carry flux grenades in pub matches. Not just for CaLogis, but for overall utility. |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:07:00 -
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Honestly I feel bad for a lot of heavies cause a lot don't feel like they can pack a punch. I'll run a militia fitting with an Exile with no AR training in a Caldari assault suit and just drop heavies quickly. |
iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
82
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:09:00 -
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I don't think heavies are OP I blast at a crowd and most medium suits have crazy shields and I bearly dent them.. I die quicker by Duovelles and Gek's then other fellow Heavies...this game is all Ar's and dumb LAV's drivers |
iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
82
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:10:00 -
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Phantom Vaxer wrote:Honestly I feel bad for a lot of heavies cause a lot don't feel like they can pack a punch. I'll run a militia fitting with an Exile with no AR training in a Caldari assault suit and just drop heavies quickly.
1000000000000000000000000000000000% true.. sad but true
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XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. League of Infamy
2882
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:12:00 -
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iLLMaTiC619 wrote:I don't think heavies are OP I blast at a crowd and most medium suits have crazy shields and I bearly dent them.. I die quicker by Duovelles and Gek's then other fellow Heavies...this game is all Ar's and dumb LAV's drivers
And this is the truth |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals EoN.
1
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:16:00 -
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fryghc |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:18:00 -
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just do the math, (dmg per round)(magazine size)>(heavy eHP). I am not sure of any weapons that cannot kill a heavy with one magazine and well-aimed shots. |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:19:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:I think anyone who complains about having a hard time as a heavy is at the pinnacle of "talentless scrubbery".
*You already have super health. *You move much faster now compared to scouts since the recent update (believe me, as a scout that can no longer run away from that 'body blender' called the HMG - I know) *You have basically an instant kill weapon. *PG and CPU out the wazoo. *Turning speed being low does not matter, if you can hit the enemy for even half a second they'll die. I have tried many times and absolutely cannot run around a heavy as it turns, so stop whining about the slow turn speed. It isn't that slow.
Anyone who complains the HMG is UP just wants even more of this game to bend to their whim. If you play it the way it's supposed to be played (defense), then it does amazing. Heavies keep whining about their slow speed but you AREN'T SUPPOSE TO BE RUNNING EVERYWHERE. You are supposed to guard one general area - hence the term "sentinel" (Sentinel - A soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch).
Right now, I'm a scout and can't even run away from all these HMGs that chase me down across the map. It's ridiculous how far I have to run before I actually get around enough corners to make a heavy stop following me.
So shut up and get the FUHK out da way! You're fine! The scout needs some attention.
In summary - Heavies need to stop whining and understand three things: 1 - their HMG is perfectly fine for their role. 2 - Stop whining about being slow, you have so many advantages that it doesn't even matter. 3 - Read a dictionary and figure out why the heavy suit is called "sentinel". You are supposed to be guards. If you wanna move fast, just call in a LAV. Stop crying about moving slow.
So this is a heavy hating forum?
Heavys the way they are right now because of are 2 same class suits. Basic heavy and Sentinel.
Range= Death Grenades= Death LAV=DEATH
Movement speed is DEATH in this game. Put some complex plates on your suit and try running around. It doesnt matter how much HP you have. When you move slow your STUCK in the place were your at. That means you move in as a group and chop. To fix this slow ass movement You will want a logy to help you move from place to place. Logy dies you die.
I do agree with that heavy's should move slow but if your smart you can move your heavys faster ALOT faster . That means less HP tho. 1012 Base hp is crap for a heavy. Yes in a 1v1 fight we will win if you out range us but the chance of a 1v1 fight are very small. Everyone in pub matches are in groups. If you are not. you will be killed.
You sir need to QQ AND LEARN TO GET RANGE ON HEAVYS. I give who ever made this guy nerd rage about heavy's did there job right. +1 on teaching this guy he cant just run up on players and do work.
I dont say Heavy's should be god's in this game. Yes range should kill us if we have a HMG. Yes to moving slow but not so slow we cant get from point A to point B.
You want PG and CPU out the wazoo why not look at Caldari Logy. Look at how much PG a complex plate cost and how much the ADV heavy suit has on PG and proto |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:21:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:iLLMaTiC619 wrote:I don't think heavies are OP I blast at a crowd and most medium suits have crazy shields and I bearly dent them.. I die quicker by Duovelles and Gek's then other fellow Heavies...this game is all Ar's and dumb LAV's drivers And this is the truth
Agreed!!! |
Tyrunis Bloodstone
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:23:00 -
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"Whoa. this is heavy, Doc"
"What's with you saying heavy all the time? Is it because of the gravitational pull in the future?" |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:28:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:If this guy is so bent out of shape about Heavies being able to walk, imagine what he's gonna do when he learns about Caldari Logi's
It will be bad news for you. Very bad. |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:32:00 -
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RA Drahcir wrote:just do the math, (dmg per round)(magazine size)>(heavy eHP). I am not sure of any weapons that cannot kill a heavy with one magazine and well-aimed shots.
ADV AR,Proficiency lvl 4 or 5.,One 10% damage mod, and 2 head shots out of the 30 bullets that went in. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
158
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:40:00 -
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"I'm in the military which is why I know these these things."
And? What's your point? That doesn't qualify you for anything here. Your military service or skills or knowledge in no way translates into expertise as far as this GAME is concerned. This is a game. Not real life. Not real weapons. Not a modern combat simulator. But if you want to compare real world military service as a qualification on expertise here then let me know. Brake out your DD214, orders, training certificates and combat awards. I'll do the same and let's see who wins. Leave your real world crap somewhere else. |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
148
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:44:00 -
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Phantom Vaxer wrote:Honestly I feel bad for a lot of heavies cause a lot don't feel like they can pack a punch. I'll run a militia fitting with an Exile with no AR training in a Caldari assault suit and just drop heavies quickly.
The worst part is, I don't know if this is a reflection on Heavies, or a reflection on the AR. |
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
644
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:46:00 -
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HMG + increased sprint speed + Nova Knives = Hilarity |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens EoN.
337
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:53:00 -
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Heavies have their issues, but wanted to say was running around on 1.5m sp alt, finally got assault forge gun on dren suit... did some doms... most fun ive had solo in ages. |
lol bunnies
Always playing to AFK
2
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:30:00 -
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DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote:lol bunnies wrote:Any class can have 900+HP except scouts and certain medium suits can attain 1290hp whilst a setinel caps at 1589hp. Only about 300hp difference. what the **** not even the caldari logi can get barely over a thousand.
Dumb*** my brother runs the suit and rubs it in try it here 5 complex ext. 4 complex plates and maxed passives try it, real simple. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
647
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:36:00 -
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lol bunnies wrote:DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote:lol bunnies wrote:Any class can have 900+HP except scouts and certain medium suits can attain 1290hp whilst a setinel caps at 1589hp. Only about 300hp difference. what the **** not even the caldari logi can get barely over a thousand. Dumb*** my brother runs the suit and rubs it in try it here 5 complex ext. 4 complex plates and maxed passives try it, real simple.
Fully passive... moves as fast as a heavy, no equip, less dmg lol. Il stick with my heavy ta |
lol bunnies
Always playing to AFK
2
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:54:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:lol bunnies wrote:Any class can have 900+HP except scouts and certain medium suits can attain 1290hp whilst a setinel caps at 1589hp. Only about 300hp difference. Lol "only about 300hp difference." Are you saying Sentinels should have more HP? That's my entire life as a scout. Only about 300hp. Lol...
My point is medium suits run 3x the health of your scout suit for a .2-.9m/s rather small differeance but the heavy is not even 1.3x the hp of a logi for the -1.15 to -1.65 movement speed. Your suits are in even worse condition you should probably move faster maybe along the line of heavy speed to medium speed difference but that's another thread.
Let us compare (Heavy to medium)Giant 1.15-1.65 movement speed loss for 1.3x the health
(Light to medium).2-.9 movement speed gain for a 1/3 the life
Neither gain a justified bonus for the loss it takes on. |
lol bunnies
Always playing to AFK
2
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:00:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:lol bunnies wrote:DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote:lol bunnies wrote:Any class can have 900+HP except scouts and certain medium suits can attain 1290hp whilst a setinel caps at 1589hp. Only about 300hp difference. what the **** not even the caldari logi can get barely over a thousand. Dumb*** my brother runs the suit and rubs it in try it here 5 complex ext. 4 complex plates and maxed passives try it, real simple. Fully passive... moves as fast as a heavy, no equip, less dmg lol. Il stick with my heavy ta
GÇósame/similar *difference +Pro -Con
Heavy Pro Frame (maxed core) GÇó3.65 movement speed GÇó1154hp=2complex shield ext +core skills GÇó5hp/s (through complex armor rep) GÇóShield recharge 3.5sec GÇóDepleted shield recharge 5sec (2 complex shield regulators) GÇó20hp/s shield repair
*759dps = boundless + 15% proficiency -
*has sidearm+ *No equipment - *giant hit box- *Only WP through hacks or kills- *Slower Turning speed -
Caldari Logi Pro (maxed core) GÇó3.62 movement speed -23% due to plate penalty GÇó1172hp=Complex plate+2 enhanced plate+basic plate+5complex shield extenders+maxed core skills GÇó5hp/s passive armor repair GÇóShield recharge 4sec GÇóDepleted shield recharge 6sec GÇó20hp/s shield repair
*1078 dps=imperial scrambler+15% proficiency+
*no sidearm- *3 Equipment slots +++ *small hit box+ *faster turning speed Can get WP through GÇókills GÇóhacks (Choose 3 below) *revives+ *repairs+ *drop link spawn+ *ammo resupply+
What does this tell you? Basically caldari logis are heavies with way smaller hit boxes that can use 3 equipments and can turn quicker. But surely the HMG makes up for it but it has -lower range -more dispersion -less DPS +bigger clip
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oso tiburon
The Generals EoN.
99
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Posted - 2013.07.08 12:01:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Asher Night wrote:I think anyone who complains about having a hard time as a heavy is at the pinnacle of "talentless scrubbery".
*You already have super health. *You move much faster now compared to scouts since the recent update (believe me, as a scout that can no longer run away from that 'body blender' called the HMG - I know) *You have basically an instant kill weapon. *PG and CPU out the wazoo. *Turning speed being low does not matter, if you can hit the enemy for even half a second they'll die. I have tried many times and absolutely cannot run around a heavy as it turns, so stop whining about the slow turn speed. It isn't that slow.
Anyone who complains the HMG is UP just wants even more of this game to bend to their whim. If you play it the way it's supposed to be played (defense), then it does amazing. Heavies keep whining about their slow speed but you AREN'T SUPPOSE TO BE RUNNING EVERYWHERE. You are supposed to guard one general area - hence the term "sentinel" (Sentinel - A soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch).
Right now, I'm a scout and can't even run away from all these HMGs that chase me down across the map. It's ridiculous how far I have to run before I actually get around enough corners to make a heavy stop following me.
So shut up and get the FUHK out da way! You're fine! The scout needs some attention.
In summary - Heavies need to stop whining and understand three things: 1 - their HMG is perfectly fine for their role. 2 - Stop whining about being slow, you have so many advantages that it doesn't even matter. 3 - Read a dictionary and figure out why the heavy suit is called "sentinel". You are supposed to be guards. If you wanna move fast, just call in a LAV. Stop crying about moving slow. WTF are you serious the HMG is broke I have to fire over 300 hundred rounds into a suit before they die and that is point blank. I have 4 in profencincy and a complex damage mod and i run out of ammo before my 5th kill. The fact is the HMG is not real world, it fails to replicate what we can do in this time and age and this is supposed to be the freakin future. Those who complain about heavies have not fitted there suits properly. Second I am not going to stand around and guard a small point while the rest of the team is off having fun and gaining WP. As a heavy I only get points from Kills and Kill assist so I will hunt you down and kill you if I can. But if you cant kill a heavy with a AR coming at you from over half the board stay in the red line. Were slow that is why we have added armor so we can take the pot shots from snipers and AR as we drudge thru the muck. Scouts play your role as you seem fit but complain when you paper suits come across a heavy, your suit was not built to take us on. Everyone has complaints about there suits or weapons I myself included, but I will never attack another class because they out played me. Play your role and have fun. it aint broke it aint what it used to be but it aint broke gotta crack the shields first , flux nades if your coming into a hot zone flux the fux out of it and always have a logi nearby . think of us as walking tanks and in real life where there tanks not to far behind theres supply convoy . did I mention once you crack their shields the hmg rips them to shreds |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
650
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Posted - 2013.07.08 12:07:00 -
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The only thing i hate about the heavy is that people seem to think its a static defensive unit and should never be seen moving anywhere.
BALLS to that!!!
My heavy will flank your kittens and poor on the pain and il argue the fact im now defending the space you were standing |
oso tiburon
The Generals EoN.
100
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:00:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:The only thing i hate about the heavy is that people seem to think its a static defensive unit and should never be seen moving anywhere. BALLS to that!!! My heavy will flank your kittens and poor on the pain and il argue the fact im now defending the space you were standing ATTACK HEAVIES FOR THE WIN! we are the unmoveable object AND the unstoppabble force im fat and im proud and my hmg says it loud |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
258
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:15:00 -
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Tyrunis Bloodstone wrote:"Whoa. this is heavy, Doc"
"What's with you saying heavy all the time? Is it because of the gravitational pull in the future?"
Seriously...a time machine made out of a DeLorean only deserves 1 like?! |
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