Vehicles shouldnt even be in this game period.
They serve no purpose.

that has to be the biggest QQ ever i mean wow

that has to be the biggest QQ ever i mean wow

I like when people us QQ wrong lolderp.

ok let me rephrase that ... the stupidest thing i have ever heard ... remove all vehicles so we can then have call of duty size maps with call of duty type gameplay ... hey lets all just run around ar's and smgs no skirmish no domo just team death match thats soooo original .... gtfo go back to black ops scrub or spec into swarms like every one else god im so sick of the stupidity

Vehicles shouldnt even be in this game period.
They serve no purpose.

I agree partially with your second statement. Where we differ is I think the solution's to make a game in which they're more relevant, rather than excising vehicles they should have more of a role and a closer symbiotic relationship with infantry.

The problem isn't vehicles, it's that Ambush and Skirmish 2.0 are ill considered and under designed. Do they naturally foster a broader team dynamic and bring a tactical objective-oriented focus into the game? No, they do not.

I don't know the answer to the LAV problem, but I don't think they should be removed. Neither HAVs. At 6M SP though, I don't feel like I have a strong enough grasp on my basic fit, so I'm not dumping SP into AV yet. I just with others would help me deal with them though. Flux/MD combo is hard, I usually have to wait for them to get stuck on a rock, then flux em and MD the **** out of them. I just wish I could dodge out of the way better.

Once again you make no sense.
Im not saying remove them because they are good.
Im saying remove them because they are useless lol derp more derp.

Once again you make no sense.
Im not saying remove them because they are good.
Im saying remove them because they are useless lol derp more derp.

once again they do serve a purpose derp herp
they serve as armored transport across large open areas they serve as infantry support they serve as a distraction for other enemy infantry they serve as area denile ... shall i go on .. like i said cod ghosts is out go give that a spin this game is far beyond your grasp

once again they do serve a purpose derp herp
they serve as armored transport across large open areas they serve as infantry support they serve as a distraction for other enemy infantry they serve as area denile ... shall i go on .. like i said cod ghosts is out go give that a spin this game is far beyond your grasp

I think his phrasing was just unfortunate and you got off on the wrong tack.

What he actually meant was probably just that Dust, as it is, clearly is not a game that has been designed around the presence of vehicles and the potential dynamics they bring. Their being there is incidental to the present game, they aren't fundamental to it.

This is a problem and one which I for one don't think CCP have properly understood or perhaps even acknowledged.

HTFU and run AV

Vehicles shouldnt even be in this game period.
They serve no purpose.

no bad idea.

It would be cool if we had some maps that make vehicles nearly impossible to use.

but even battlefield (a vehicle game more so than others) has a just player match so u need no worries I said this in beta and I say it now we do need one or need to change ambush either way I always play dom or skirmish but when I join an ambush map it seems to me like way more dropships, tanks, and lavs and no skill just crap matches

vehicles require as much or more skill to use properly as dropsuits do.

What sort of AV do your squads usually have available to them?

none since my corp never plays :P

Then your issue should be with your corp, not with vehicle users.

AV is very powerful against vehicles, if your squads simply flip to AV and WORK TOGETHER you can easily take down even the strongest of tanks.

Sure, if there's an uber strong tank, and they are being supported by Infantry units... you may not be able to get to the tank. In that case, you're simply up against a good team that has their **** together. Instead of arguing that the good teams shouldn't have so many tools at their disposal, maybe you should focus on improving the team you are on so you can match those who are beating you.

Its not PC I shouldn't need a team to win any random should do well tbh ur starting the argument I didn't I said we need a mode for casual players

Someone complaining about dropships? OMG, the impossible has occurred.

Well when I say no vehicle mode I ment u can use heavys and stuff just pure fps im not saying AR's for everyone

no? its in other games as well im not saying no mass drivers even though I hate them lol im saying we should have a mode for just fps

This is a Team Death Match, there should be no vehicle or tank or dropship what so ever in that game mode. It cater too ppl that cant do a simple thing or cant use ur gun to kill ppl,or run around in the map finding ppl and killing them, but they relied on the vehicle to get high kill without a death, boost there k/d up and try to get a good score (really). Ever time u try to either destroyed it with anti rocket here the option 1.he will drive away once he aware that he being target by a Anti Rocket, 2. he will drive up close to u he will jump out and shoot u.3.depend what suit he is using most of time it will be either a heavy suit or proto shot gunner, 4 Simple thing Run ur **** over.

LAV need to be Remove all they do is call them up and get in them drive around and run ur **** over. I know it happen too a lot of u so don't try to denied that It never happen to u before.

The Tank, If the enemy team get 2 or 3 tank in the game, the game is over regardless of the outcome on how u play and finish it. Unless there was a miracle that happen that ur team was smart enough to get the rocker out and start firing away but there a catch to that, u know how everytime u lock on to the tank and once u fire the first shot that tank will just either run away and get to cover or if he player has some balls he will just blast u away or his team will cover firing him. Which is so damn lame. Tank need to be Remove from Ambush.

Why would a Dropship be in a team death match game unless they provide Air support. Team Death Match game is a straight up Gun on Gun match , hover the sky putting sniper on very disadvantage places so the can shoot us at vulnerable spot and every time u try to blast them away they will either fly high or hide behind building. Seriously they need to be remove from ambush.

Now if u remove these three from the Ambush Completely, Ambush will be a better game mode and it will be alot smoother. A Straight up Team vs Team, Gun vs Gun ur done. I know a lot of ppl hate getting run over by LAV or getting slaughter by a Tank or Getting blasted by Above with a Drop ship.

So let the hate begin.

My whole corp is full of casual players. I just fundamentally disagree with your assessment. The game is already extremely casual. We don't need to start taking away options. If you start limiting the stuff people can use, the lazy will just flock to the modes with fewer options, and those who happen to prefer the options you have arbitrarily chosen to limit are left with fewer choices than those who have chosen to spec into the things in which you personally prefer. It also means in the long run there will be less diversity in the user base, because it would be easier to just skill into an AR assault suit and call it a day. Then all of those players have themselves trapped in their own little kiddie pool with no real knowledge of how to actually swim.

There's no rhyme or reason as to why you would simply say "these things can't be used, because casuals." What makes you think there aren't plenty of casual who play in tanks, dropships, LAVs, and AV? I know many of the more casual players in my own corp enjoy all of those options.

I mean, why not make a mode with no uplinks? Or a mode with no mass drivers? How about a mode with no sidearms?

All of these things would certainly make the game easier for "casuals" (ie: people who prefer AR Assault suits), but the question isn't really "why not" it is "why?"

What do you want next, an AR assault only mode too? Use the triple SP and spec into an AV weapon that isn't a grenade if vehicles offend you so much.

Good job Test Alliance showing the power of casual players both here and in Eve

Bumble bee LAVs need to be a squad car. If area of effect was brought back, slow these girls down, and add a minimum speed to kill with a direct hit would keep these girls on line. Oh and war points for repping. Give them incentive to be a ambulance.

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not sure if if compliment

or insult

Nah, let's have a mode for vehicles-only instead. No puny infantry nerds with their silly little pea shooters.

Someone said it before, the main problem with Vehicles in Ambush is the fact that you're stuck with it, meaning you're ineffective against Infantry with a brain, while vehicle users have no problem hurting anything in Ambush so they don't need a Supply Depot. What this means is that as soon as you bring AV into Ambush, you're auto-nerfed compared to the team with the vehicles. This is a balance problem that needs to be fixed.

Someone said it before, the main problem with Vehicles in Ambush is the fact that you're stuck with it, meaning you're ineffective against Infantry with a brain, while vehicle users have no problem hurting anything in Ambush so they don't need a Supply Depot. What this means is that as soon as you bring AV into Ambush, you're auto-nerfed compared to the team with the vehicles. This is a balance problem that needs to be fixed.

wow and we should all give up our guns while we're at it sorry but I feel the pain that vehicle users have. just fix murder taxis and it will be fixed

and it says ambush not team deathmatch so if one group of soldiers are ambushed and they can get support then more power to them

that is unless your team actually gets AV out or a squad gets out your own vehicles.

we should all hug each other and the game should be mining 514 and we should do the mining for Eve players

Quit QQing

Vehicles shouldnt even be in this game period.
They serve no purpose.

I like when people us QQ wrong lolderp.

wrong go back to cod!

no u need to go back to cod
cod suck ****
im im not complaining about game
Vehicle don't need to be in a Team Death Match game period
if u don't like don't reply is that simple.

My proposal is that we lock up all the sinister left-handed people.
If you don't like my proposal then simply don't reply.

no u need to go back to cod
cod suck ****
im im not complaining about game
Vehicle don't need to be in a Team Death Match game period
if u don't like don't reply is that simple.

you're what is ruining dust. you are the reason we had the OP TAR with Cal Logi. Go away. Nobody likes you.

The fact that you call it Team Death Match makes me know you're a whiny CoDboi. Nobody likes codbois. Adapt or die like the rest of us.

My proposal is that we lock up all the sinister left-handed people.
If you don't like my proposal then simply don't reply.

you're what is ruining dust. you are the reason we had the OP TAR with Cal Logi. Go away. Nobody likes you.

The fact that you call it Team Death Match makes me know you're a whiny CoDboi. Nobody likes codbois. Adapt or die like the rest of us.

What do you want next, an AR assault only mode too?

no bad idea.

It would be cool if we had some maps that make vehicles nearly impossible to use.

\get your own vehicles, then. no one is stopping you.

So the only way to stop vehicles without nerfing yourself and your team in Ambush is to use your own vehicles? Do you realize how flawed this is?

Look it dont matter how many page this topic have it just ppl having there opinion on the matter that Vehicle such as LAV and Tank should not be in a Team Death Match game. For me personally I should not be in there period I don't care if u defend tthem but ppl are going to say what u they got to say that it, if they think LAV and Tank or Dropship should not be in a Ambush type game then there going say it because they know that something like that is going to ruin the gaming experience of a Team Deathmatch mode. Like I said in topic u can either Agree or Disagree of the matter. Dont try to give them the whole adaption crap because most of them just either new or causal or veteran or ppl like me that know what the game should be and not what it should be. Vehicle should be remove from Ambush but Keep in Skirmish that it only purpose thou.

Let the Hate Begin

If people want to "care bear" over vehicles in AMBUSH then... fine. give it to them but....Less kills, less ISK/ SP and make the kills even smaller then regular AMBUSH. Like 30. Or 25. Hole up these maps into something ridiculously small. Like a small city. Decrease the amount for people. Less then 12.

No installations, no uplinks. nothing. If they want a "care bear" mode, give them a blood sport then.

Had a good time playing with Johnford JapJap and others(sorry I forgot the other guys name, I know its "Mem" and Ty?, maybe). Everytime a LAV or HAV came onto the battlefield, mics went live with chatter informing the squad. We then concentrated fire on them. Suffice to say after several Michael Bay explosions, the opposing team thought twice about calling some more in.

ok why don't u name any FPS shoot that have a team death match mode now listen do not Mention BF or PS2 we all now what they have. but what im saying is name any FPS that allow to call in a Car to drive around and run over ppl or a Tank. name any FPS out that have that capability until then vehicle need to remove on ambush.

P.S U can always go to Skirmish for High SP and High ISK.and High Score.

To be honest there should be a game mode without vehicles. But removing vehicles from ambush is not a option. I love sitting on top of a hill and using my proto swarms to blow up all the dumb LAV's, derpships and here and then a wild tank. Strangely ive got once called a dirty camper for just blowing LAV's up. That guy didnt liked it to loose logi LAV's.