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Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:30:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:HTFU and run AV I don't normally play Ambush but on the odd occasion I've been shanghai'd into it there's been a wonderful plethora of vehicles who clearly weren't expecting proper AV. I do love me a target rich environment. |
Noc Tempre
Internal Error. League of Infamy
2073
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:33:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:Vehicles shouldnt even be in this game period. They serve no purpose.
I actually agree with this for the current state of the game. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
59
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:36:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:no bad idea.
It would be cool if we had some maps that make vehicles nearly impossible to use.
Finally someone gets it, give us maps that favor infantry over vehicles and vice versa. More urban maps and less bowls full of nothing but junk crates.
Not the vehicles that are bad it's poor implementation. |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:47:00 -
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but even battlefield (a vehicle game more so than others) has a just player match so u need no worries I said this in beta and I say it now we do need one or need to change ambush either way I always play dom or skirmish but when I join an ambush map it seems to me like way more dropships, tanks, and lavs and no skill just crap matches |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
554
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:00:00 -
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I've been asking for a vehicle-free ambush mode for quite some time now.
Vehicle-free ambush + squadless option = An extremely fun and balanced experience that would definitely draw a bigger crowd to this game. It would also be the perfect way to go unwind after PC, skirmish or exhaustive squad play. Just listen to some tunes via in-game music and let the stress melt away since you don't have to worry about vehicles, team-stacking pubstompers or AFKers. Every match would be consistent and even (for the most part). This, IMO, would be Dust paradise.
Squadless option has a very slight chance of making the pick and getting implemented sometime in the next 2 years, however I really doubt they would ever opt for a vehicle-free ambush mode. CCP is vehicle bias due to EVE after all.
Such a shame too, as that would make this game almost infinitely more enjoyable for players who just want to pew pew other infantry players without having to sacrifice themselves or their fits just to take out a few pesky LAV's or tanks. It's especially offensive in regular ambush, in which the only way to get AV is to die or start the match with it (thus being gimped in infantry fights). |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1799
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:06:00 -
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I love when the enemy team brings in vehicles in Ambush. If your squad isn't full of retards you can easily trash enemy vehicles... and even when you fail, it's easily one of the more exciting things to do in an Ambush. Just last night my little ragtag squad took out about 15 tanks/dropships over the course of 3 matches.
if you're dying to vehicles, have the squad pull out AV, take care of the vehicles, and the get back to your regularly scheduled program. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1799
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:13:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:but even battlefield (a vehicle game more so than others) has a just player match so u need no worries I said this in beta and I say it now we do need one or need to change ambush either way I always play dom or skirmish but when I join an ambush map it seems to me like way more dropships, tanks, and lavs and no skill just crap matches
vehicles require as much or more skill to use properly as dropsuits do.
What sort of AV do your squads usually have available to them? |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:25:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:but even battlefield (a vehicle game more so than others) has a just player match so u need no worries I said this in beta and I say it now we do need one or need to change ambush either way I always play dom or skirmish but when I join an ambush map it seems to me like way more dropships, tanks, and lavs and no skill just crap matches vehicles require as much or more skill to use properly as dropsuits do. What sort of AV do your squads usually have available to them?
none since my corp never plays :P |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1800
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:36:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:but even battlefield (a vehicle game more so than others) has a just player match so u need no worries I said this in beta and I say it now we do need one or need to change ambush either way I always play dom or skirmish but when I join an ambush map it seems to me like way more dropships, tanks, and lavs and no skill just crap matches vehicles require as much or more skill to use properly as dropsuits do. What sort of AV do your squads usually have available to them? none since my corp never plays :P
Then your issue should be with your corp, not with vehicle users.
AV is very powerful against vehicles, if your squads simply flip to AV and WORK TOGETHER you can easily take down even the strongest of tanks.
Sure, if there's an uber strong tank, and they are being supported by Infantry units... you may not be able to get to the tank. In that case, you're simply up against a good team that has their **** together. Instead of arguing that the good teams shouldn't have so many tools at their disposal, maybe you should focus on improving the team you are on so you can match those who are beating you. |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:03:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:but even battlefield (a vehicle game more so than others) has a just player match so u need no worries I said this in beta and I say it now we do need one or need to change ambush either way I always play dom or skirmish but when I join an ambush map it seems to me like way more dropships, tanks, and lavs and no skill just crap matches vehicles require as much or more skill to use properly as dropsuits do. What sort of AV do your squads usually have available to them? none since my corp never plays :P Then your issue should be with your corp, not with vehicle users. AV is very powerful against vehicles, if your squads simply flip to AV and WORK TOGETHER you can easily take down even the strongest of tanks. Sure, if there's an uber strong tank, and they are being supported by Infantry units... you may not be able to get to the tank. In that case, you're simply up against a good team that has their **** together. Instead of arguing that the good teams shouldn't have so many tools at their disposal, maybe you should focus on improving the team you are on so you can match those who are beating you.
Its not PC I shouldn't need a team to win any random should do well tbh ur starting the argument I didn't I said we need a mode for casual players |
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1801
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:14:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:but even battlefield (a vehicle game more so than others) has a just player match so u need no worries I said this in beta and I say it now we do need one or need to change ambush either way I always play dom or skirmish but when I join an ambush map it seems to me like way more dropships, tanks, and lavs and no skill just crap matches vehicles require as much or more skill to use properly as dropsuits do. What sort of AV do your squads usually have available to them? none since my corp never plays :P Then your issue should be with your corp, not with vehicle users. AV is very powerful against vehicles, if your squads simply flip to AV and WORK TOGETHER you can easily take down even the strongest of tanks. Sure, if there's an uber strong tank, and they are being supported by Infantry units... you may not be able to get to the tank. In that case, you're simply up against a good team that has their **** together. Instead of arguing that the good teams shouldn't have so many tools at their disposal, maybe you should focus on improving the team you are on so you can match those who are beating you. Its not PC I shouldn't need a team to win any random should do well tbh ur starting the argument I didn't I said we need a mode for casual players
My whole corp is full of casual players. I just fundamentally disagree with your assessment. The game is already extremely casual. We don't need to start taking away options. If you start limiting the stuff people can use, the lazy will just flock to the modes with fewer options, and those who happen to prefer the options you have arbitrarily chosen to limit are left with fewer choices than those who have chosen to spec into the things in which you personally prefer. It also means in the long run there will be less diversity in the user base, because it would be easier to just skill into an AR assault suit and call it a day. Then all of those players have themselves trapped in their own little kiddie pool with no real knowledge of how to actually swim.
There's no rhyme or reason as to why you would simply say "these thinks can't be used, because casuals." What makes you think there aren't plenty of casual who play in tanks, dropships, LAVs, and AV? I know many of the more casual players in my own corp enjoy all of those options. |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
209
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:25:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Someone complaining about dropships? OMG, the impossible has occurred.
I know... I thought he must have misspelled dropSUIT or something. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
84
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:36:00 -
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I was playing this morning when I got off from work. Here I am working the reds with my heavy alt, just chipping away life when a gray screen and that infamous death drone noise came in. I was like wtf?! I didn't hear the MT coming, but I did hear it reverse. I was pissed but I just HTFU.
One hand I would like to say yes, we don't need vehicles in Ambush. But then my other side, my competitive "throw some dirt on it" mentality" says kitten that. Just learn how to fight against it. I would be upset that they fulfill the wish on principle. It means I wasn't able to adapt and overcome so I had them remove an obstacle for my own sake.
I think if there's a concentrated effort on teams, things would change. If teammates would respond to the presence of the MT and give it priority, then you wouldn't have the problem as frequently. Don't you agree? I see the MT come but everybody ignores it. It should be priority to destroy that first because MTs are nothing more than rats that scrounge on the leftovers. You can't focus on killing the red when you got a MT trying his hardest to run you over.
Or at least, as somebody mention before on here, have the damaged lowered at certain instances. If he just accelerated and I'm right there, I should take considerable damage but it shouldn't be enough to kill me. I am in a dropsuit that has heavy armor. You would think that the dropsuit in that situation would cause more harm to the MT than the MT would to the player. |
Mobias Wyvern
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:57:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.07.06 03:09:00 -
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Well when I say no vehicle mode I ment u can use heavys and stuff just pure fps im not saying AR's for everyone |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1808
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Posted - 2013.07.06 03:26:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:Well when I say no vehicle mode I ment u can use heavys and stuff just pure fps im not saying AR's for everyone
The point is that you're simply picking things you personally don't like and then saying "there should be a mode without these things." The same argument could be made for any item in the game. |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.07.06 03:37:00 -
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no? its in other games as well im not saying no mass drivers even though I hate them lol im saying we should have a mode for just fps |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1808
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Posted - 2013.07.06 05:59:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:no? its in other games as well im not saying no mass drivers even though I hate them lol im saying we should have a mode for just fps
Nah, let's have a mode for vehicles-only instead. No puny infantry nerds with their silly little pea shooters. |
Killar-12
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
14
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Posted - 2013.07.06 06:29:00 -
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Cordera Ray wrote:This is a Team Death Match, there should be no vehicle or tank or dropship what so ever in that game mode. It cater too ppl that cant do a simple thing or cant use ur gun to kill ppl,or run around in the map finding ppl and killing them, but they relied on the vehicle to get high kill without a death, boost there k/d up and try to get a good score (really). Ever time u try to either destroyed it with anti rocket here the option 1.he will drive away once he aware that he being target by a Anti Rocket, 2. he will drive up close to u he will jump out and shoot u.3.depend what suit he is using most of time it will be either a heavy suit or proto shot gunner, 4 Simple thing Run ur **** over.
LAV need to be Remove all they do is call them up and get in them drive around and run ur **** over. I know it happen too a lot of u so don't try to denied that It never happen to u before.
The Tank, If the enemy team get 2 or 3 tank in the game, the game is over regardless of the outcome on how u play and finish it. Unless there was a miracle that happen that ur team was smart enough to get the rocker out and start firing away but there a catch to that, u know how everytime u lock on to the tank and once u fire the first shot that tank will just either run away and get to cover or if he player has some balls he will just blast u away or his team will cover firing him. Which is so damn lame. Tank need to be Remove from Ambush.
Why would a Dropship be in a team death match game unless they provide Air support. Team Death Match game is a straight up Gun on Gun match , hover the sky putting sniper on very disadvantage places so the can shoot us at vulnerable spot and every time u try to blast them away they will either fly high or hide behind building. Seriously they need to be remove from ambush.
Now if u remove these three from the Ambush Completely, Ambush will be a better game mode and it will be alot smoother. A Straight up Team vs Team, Gun vs Gun ur done. I know a lot of ppl hate getting run over by LAV or getting slaughter by a Tank or Getting blasted by Above with a Drop ship.
So let the hate begin.
wow and we should all give up our guns while we're at it sorry but I feel the pain that vehicle users have. just fix murder taxis and it will be fixed
and it says ambush not team deathmatch so if one group of soldiers are ambushed and they can get support then more power to them
that is unless your team actually gets AV out or a squad gets out your own vehicles.
we should all hug each other and the game should be mining 514 and we should do the mining for Eve players
Quit QQing |
Killar-12
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
14
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Posted - 2013.07.06 06:31:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: vehicles require as much or more skill to use properly as dropsuits do.
What sort of AV do your squads usually have available to them?
none since my corp never plays :P Then your issue should be with your corp, not with vehicle users. AV is very powerful against vehicles, if your squads simply flip to AV and WORK TOGETHER you can easily take down even the strongest of tanks. Sure, if there's an uber strong tank, and they are being supported by Infantry units... you may not be able to get to the tank. In that case, you're simply up against a good team that has their **** together. Instead of arguing that the good teams shouldn't have so many tools at their disposal, maybe you should focus on improving the team you are on so you can match those who are beating you. Its not PC I shouldn't need a team to win any random should do well tbh ur starting the argument I didn't I said we need a mode for casual players My whole corp is full of casual players. I just fundamentally disagree with your assessment. The game is already extremely casual. We don't need to start taking away options. If you start limiting the stuff people can use, the lazy will just flock to the modes with fewer options, and those who happen to prefer the options you have arbitrarily chosen to limit are left with fewer choices than those who have chosen to spec into the things in which you personally prefer. It also means in the long run there will be less diversity in the user base, because it would be easier to just skill into an AR assault suit and call it a day. Then all of those players have themselves trapped in their own little kiddie pool with no real knowledge of how to actually swim. There's no rhyme or reason as to why you would simply say "these things can't be used, because casuals." What makes you think there aren't plenty of casual who play in tanks, dropships, LAVs, and AV? I know many of the more casual players in my own corp enjoy all of those options. I mean, why not make a mode with no uplinks? Or a mode with no mass drivers? How about a mode with no sidearms? All of these things would certainly make the game easier for "casuals" (ie: people who prefer AR Assault suits), but the question isn't really "why not" it is " why?" Good job Test Alliance showing the power of casual players both here and in Eve |
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CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
250
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:09:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:What do you want next, an AR assault only mode too? Use the triple SP and spec into an AV weapon that isn't a grenade if vehicles offend you so much.
You could get proto swarms in a few hours this week. try them out. no vehicle will ever bother you again once they see that in the kill feed. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1810
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:11:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: My whole corp is full of casual players. I just fundamentally disagree with your assessment. The game is already extremely casual. We don't need to start taking away options. If you start limiting the stuff people can use, the lazy will just flock to the modes with fewer options, and those who happen to prefer the options you have arbitrarily chosen to limit are left with fewer choices than those who have chosen to spec into the things in which you personally prefer. It also means in the long run there will be less diversity in the user base, because it would be easier to just skill into an AR assault suit and call it a day. Then all of those players have themselves trapped in their own little kiddie pool with no real knowledge of how to actually swim.
There's no rhyme or reason as to why you would simply say "these things can't be used, because casuals." What makes you think there aren't plenty of casual who play in tanks, dropships, LAVs, and AV? I know many of the more casual players in my own corp enjoy all of those options.
I mean, why not make a mode with no uplinks? Or a mode with no mass drivers? How about a mode with no sidearms?
All of these things would certainly make the game easier for "casuals" (ie: people who prefer AR Assault suits), but the question isn't really "why not" it is "why?"
Good job Test Alliance showing the power of casual players both here and in Eve
fry.jpg
not sure if compliment
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Cosgar
ParagonX
2225
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:14:00 -
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Aythadis Smith wrote:Bumble bee LAVs need to be a squad car. If area of effect was brought back, slow these girls down, and add a minimum speed to kill with a direct hit would keep these girls on line. Oh and war points for repping. Give them incentive to be a ambulance. Proximity mines should at least flip a LAV over if they don't get destroyed. |
Killar-12
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
14
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:16:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: My whole corp is full of casual players. I just fundamentally disagree with your assessment. The game is already extremely casual. We don't need to start taking away options. If you start limiting the stuff people can use, the lazy will just flock to the modes with fewer options, and those who happen to prefer the options you have arbitrarily chosen to limit are left with fewer choices than those who have chosen to spec into the things in which you personally prefer. It also means in the long run there will be less diversity in the user base, because it would be easier to just skill into an AR assault suit and call it a day. Then all of those players have themselves trapped in their own little kiddie pool with no real knowledge of how to actually swim.
There's no rhyme or reason as to why you would simply say "these things can't be used, because casuals." What makes you think there aren't plenty of casual who play in tanks, dropships, LAVs, and AV? I know many of the more casual players in my own corp enjoy all of those options.
I mean, why not make a mode with no uplinks? Or a mode with no mass drivers? How about a mode with no sidearms?
All of these things would certainly make the game easier for "casuals" (ie: people who prefer AR Assault suits), but the question isn't really "why not" it is "why?"
Good job Test Alliance showing the power of casual players both here and in Eve fry.jpg not sure if if compliment or insult Complement... Eve side that is for having the most poeple not just 30 alts per person like another huge alliance that resides in Deklein Most of you guys are good but there is one member who is particularly annoying |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:30:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:no? its in other games as well im not saying no mass drivers even though I hate them lol im saying we should have a mode for just fps Nah, let's have a mode for vehicles-only instead. No puny infantry nerds with their silly little pea shooters.
and u have the freedom to make that suggestion as I have to make mine CCP will do whatever they see fit |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:31:00 -
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Someone said it before, the main problem with Vehicles in Ambush is the fact that you're stuck with it, meaning you're ineffective against Infantry with a brain, while vehicle users have no problem hurting anything in Ambush so they don't need a Supply Depot. What this means is that as soon as you bring AV into Ambush, you're auto-nerfed compared to the team with the vehicles. This is a balance problem that needs to be fixed. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
252
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:42:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Someone said it before, the main problem with Vehicles in Ambush is the fact that you're stuck with it, meaning you're ineffective against Infantry with a brain, while vehicle users have no problem hurting anything in Ambush so they don't need a Supply Depot. What this means is that as soon as you bring AV into Ambush, you're auto-nerfed compared to the team with the vehicles. This is a balance problem that needs to be fixed. \get your own vehicles, then. no one is stopping you. |
Killar-12
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
14
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Posted - 2013.07.06 07:44:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Someone said it before, the main problem with Vehicles in Ambush is the fact that you're stuck with it, meaning you're ineffective against Infantry with a brain, while vehicle users have no problem hurting anything in Ambush so they don't need a Supply Depot. What this means is that as soon as you bring AV into Ambush, you're auto-nerfed compared to the team with the vehicles. This is a balance problem that needs to be fixed. Well you don't expect the blueberries to actually think in combat do you? Also you don't expect to solo a tank? |
Cordera Ray
Galactic Warrior Corporation
20
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:01:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Cordera Ray wrote:This is a Team Death Match, there should be no vehicle or tank or dropship what so ever in that game mode. It cater too ppl that cant do a simple thing or cant use ur gun to kill ppl,or run around in the map finding ppl and killing them, but they relied on the vehicle to get high kill without a death, boost there k/d up and try to get a good score (really). Ever time u try to either destroyed it with anti rocket here the option 1.he will drive away once he aware that he being target by a Anti Rocket, 2. he will drive up close to u he will jump out and shoot u.3.depend what suit he is using most of time it will be either a heavy suit or proto shot gunner, 4 Simple thing Run ur **** over.
LAV need to be Remove all they do is call them up and get in them drive around and run ur **** over. I know it happen too a lot of u so don't try to denied that It never happen to u before.
The Tank, If the enemy team get 2 or 3 tank in the game, the game is over regardless of the outcome on how u play and finish it. Unless there was a miracle that happen that ur team was smart enough to get the rocker out and start firing away but there a catch to that, u know how everytime u lock on to the tank and once u fire the first shot that tank will just either run away and get to cover or if he player has some balls he will just blast u away or his team will cover firing him. Which is so damn lame. Tank need to be Remove from Ambush.
Why would a Dropship be in a team death match game unless they provide Air support. Team Death Match game is a straight up Gun on Gun match , hover the sky putting sniper on very disadvantage places so the can shoot us at vulnerable spot and every time u try to blast them away they will either fly high or hide behind building. Seriously they need to be remove from ambush.
Now if u remove these three from the Ambush Completely, Ambush will be a better game mode and it will be alot smoother. A Straight up Team vs Team, Gun vs Gun ur done. I know a lot of ppl hate getting run over by LAV or getting slaughter by a Tank or Getting blasted by Above with a Drop ship.
So let the hate begin.
wow and we should all give up our guns while we're at it sorry but I feel the pain that vehicle users have. just fix murder taxis and it will be fixed and it says ambush not team deathmatch so if one group of soldiers are ambushed and they can get support then more power to them that is unless your team actually gets AV out or a squad gets out your own vehicles. we should all hug each other and the game should be mining 514 and we should do the mining for Eve players Quit QQing
U must be tripping where in that sentence did I say that Ambush is not a team deathmatch. Im saying that Vehicle and Tank and Dropship should not be in a Team Death Match game. Look man PPL are not going to quit a game because they think that oh they get kill with something that note surpose to be in the game with is Team Death Match. Now ur saying that We should give up our guns ok why should we give up our gun? What about ur Gun Experience then that what lacking when ppl relied on the tool that get them easy kill and easy scoring and flawless game. Without those I bet u they wont go flawless. Oh yea it does Depend on ur team on how they handle it it not about if ur team actually get AV and just take out there enemy squad because most of time enemy will blow them up the same way we try do.Vehicle need to be on skirmish period or take them out of Ambush. |
Soldiersaint
Reaper Galactic
12
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:02:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:Vehicles shouldnt even be in this game period. They serve no purpose.
wrong go back to cod! |
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