A microwarp drive in eve adds to your signature because your ship is accelerating so fast it increases your mass, thus signature, and thus easier to hit you. the physics of that is questionable, but it's to balance the incredible speed people have to outrun their enemies.

A scout suit is so small and the acceleration/top speed so slow, it would be laughable to balance speed by increasing it's mass like a spaceship weighing hundreds to thousands of tons and traveling 5+k m/s in eve.

Actually the physics of that is fine, assuming the ship is accelerated to near the speed of light, where Special Relativity takes effect, and the mass/length/time whatever seems to increase.

But I'm talking game design, not physics. By the way, gravity on all planets is set at 20N, if anyone cares.

A microwarp drive in eve adds to your signature because your ship is accelerating so fast it increases your mass, thus signature, and thus easier to hit you.

@Cipher:
Neat testing method . Assuming you are correct, do you think there's an upper-bound to the size of a player's hitbox? In other words, does hitbox size correlate directly with speed, or does hitbox size eventually reach a maximum value (such that more speed does not yield more penalty)? I don't know how you'd test that, but it'd be good to know if that 2nd KinCat is hurting more than helping.

@Mollerz:
Do you think CPM would be willing/able to chime in on this observation? If Cipher is correct, then folks who are stacking KinCats may be doing themselves more harm than good.

- Shotty GoBang

I assumed it would have a max increase and it would be at full sprint.

So you suspect a static penalty ... for example:
Hitbox (stationary) = x
Hitbox (walking) = x + 10%
Hitbox (sprinting) = x + 40%

Rather than a progressive penalty ... for example:
Hitbox (stationary) = x
Hitbox (walking) = x + 10%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 6 m/s) = x + 20%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 7 m/s) = x + 30%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 8 m/s) = x + 40%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 9 m/s) = x + 50%

Or a progressive penalty with an upper limit ... for example:
Hitbox (stationary) = x
Hitbox (walking) = x + 10%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 06 m/s) = x + 20%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 07 m/s) = x + 30%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 08 m/s) = x + 40%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 09 m/s) = x + 40%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 10 m/s) = x + 40%

Or is it possible to tell?

So you suspect a static penalty ... for example:
Hitbox (stationary) = x
Hitbox (walking) = x + 10%
Hitbox (sprinting) = x + 40%

Rather than a progressive penalty ... for example:
Hitbox (stationary) = x
Hitbox (walking) = x + 10%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 6 m/s) = x + 20%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 7 m/s) = x + 30%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 8 m/s) = x + 40%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 9 m/s) = x + 50%

Or a progressive penalty with an upper limit ... for example:
Hitbox (stationary) = x
Hitbox (walking) = x + 10%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 06 m/s) = x + 20%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 07 m/s) = x + 30%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 08 m/s) = x + 40%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 09 m/s) = x + 40%
Hitbox (sprinting @ 10 m/s) = x + 40%

Or is it possible to tell?

Park some blue LAVs facing each other and adjust gap as necessary. Start with bumpers touching and then backup at smallest measurable, repeatable unit of measure.

Example: smallest button press resulting in movement equals "1". From touch, scout cant fit til "20" and sprinting scout cant fit til "28" between bumpers. Hence 40% increase. Switch suits, rinse, repeat.

@Cipher:
Neat testing method . Assuming you are correct, do you think there's an upper-bound to the size of a player's hitbox? In other words, does hitbox size correlate directly with speed, or does hitbox size eventually reach a maximum value (such that more speed does not yield more penalty)? I don't know how you'd test that, but it'd be good to know if that 2nd KinCat is hurting more than helping.

@Mollerz:
Do you think CPM would be willing/able to chime in on this observation? If Cipher is correct, then folks who are stacking KinCats may be doing themselves more harm than good.

- Shotty GoBang

I only started up this convo on here. i don't know the CPM people, or have an in with them. But I have been trying to postively engage them, and even tho none of them play scouts, they seem to be interested enough to engage us back. That's the way it should be, and I am happy scouts are in this position, as opposed to other classses that seem to want to complain more than work with people. Scouts are naturally a patient bunch

I would imagine that this is an interesting enough observation, that everyone has eyes on it. It makes sense to me, as lots of times when I am sprinting around in the null cannon (favorite knifer tactic) I get stuck, and have a hard time exiting. sometimes, I even end up inboluntarily crouching as I sprint out of the null canon. that, in particular, is a favorite way to die of mine

I've been having a bit too much fun this weekend, but i have an edit of the original post that i need to clean up, and i will post in the CPM thread I will make sure to include this for sure, with a link to this thread. CPM Heinrich made an excellent post in that thread and i actually knifed him last night, so hopefully we got his attention

This sounds like an interpolation issue, not a *hitbox* thing.
Faster moving target -> more interpolation

Back in the counterstrike league days, competition configs had smoothing and interpolation off/negligible so this sort of thing didn't happen.

The players hitbox is larger than the area it is trying to access by sprinting, but not by walking. Ergo the players model is bigger when sprinting.

Therefore adaptation to 1.2 demands adherence to counter-intuitive commandments:

• I. Thou shalt not employ high-speed evasives.
• II. Thou shalt not attempt high-speed combat maneuvers.
• III. Thou shalt not stack KinCats.
• IV. Thou shalt not mario HMG fatties.
• V. Thou shalt not jump whilst under fire.
• VI. Thou shalt not run for cover (walking to cover is OK, though).
• VII. Thou shalt not sprint in CQB.
• VIII. Thou shalt not sprint in or through confined spaces.
• IX. Thou shalt not envy thy neighbor's sprint speed.
• X. Thou shalt not squander SP on biotics.

In theory, at least.

- Shotty GoBang

Thanks! This explains why you can get hit while already 'around the corner' if you're sprinting, your model is in cover but your hitbox isn't I guess.

To hit detection came in 1.2. Basically, if you are moving, your hitbox size increases ever so slightly. If you are sprinting it is noticeable.

Now this may have been present before the patch, but now it has been exaggerated greatly. There are gaps between objects that you can only walk through, if you sprint, your hitbox is increased and you cannot fit though anymore. It is almost certainly the case with jumping too, but it is difficult to test properly.

So far (on scouts), the increase in size is quite drastic, and the size we are at full sprint is at least bigger than an assault's, I'm developing a way to ascertain the true size,I might manage it later tonight.

I see what you did there, CCP.

EDIT - Scout suits hitbox is bigger than a stationary heavy when sprinting!

I have not tested assaults but it is likely the same case.

Thanks! This explains why you can get hit while already 'around the corner' if you're sprinting, your model is in cover but your hitbox isn't I guess.

To hit detection came in 1.2. Basically, if you are moving, your hitbox size increases ever so slightly. If you are sprinting it is noticeable.

Now this may have been present before the patch, but now it has been exaggerated greatly. There are gaps between objects that you can only walk through, if you sprint, your hitbox is increased and you cannot fit though anymore. It is almost certainly the case with jumping too, but it is difficult to test properly.

So far (on scouts), the increase in size is quite drastic, and the size we are at full sprint is at least bigger than an assault's, I'm developing a way to ascertain the true size,I might manage it later tonight.

I see what you did there, CCP.

EDIT - Scout suits hitbox is bigger than a stationary heavy when sprinting!

I have not tested assaults but it is likely the same case.

Your kidding. You have to be. You...YOU LIE! PLEASE TELL ME YOU LIE!

shouldn't scouts be sniping?

Thanks! This explains why you can get hit while already 'around the corner' if you're sprinting, your model is in cover but your hitbox isn't I guess.

Therefore adaptation to 1.2 demands adherence to counter-intuitive commandments:

• I. Thou shalt not employ high-speed evasives.
• II. Thou shalt not attempt high-speed combat maneuvers.
• III. Thou shalt not stack KinCats.
• IV. Thou shalt not mario HMG fatties.
• V. Thou shalt not jump whilst under fire.
• VI. Thou shalt not run for cover (walking to cover is OK, though).
• VII. Thou shalt not sprint in CQB.
• VIII. Thou shalt not sprint in or through confined spaces.
• IX. Thou shalt not envy thy neighbor's sprint speed.
• X. Thou shalt not squander SP on biotics.

In theory, at least.

- Shotty GoBang