You forgot to mention that you convert people by killing them and live in a caste system.

You forgot to mention that you convert people by killing them and live in a caste system.

Look at the Ni Kunni. We did not kill them, we have done upon them what we are doing to the Minmatar and they are now accepted as equals in the Empire. The difference is they did not feel the need to revolt against the their saviors. We only kill as a last resort to those who repeatedly deny the truth and impose a threat upon the human race.

It may be hard for one raced among Gallenteans to understand, but there is a greater purpose beyond yourself. The Gallente preach freedom and democracy, a very individualist ideal. It is noble, but it is flawed. A world ran by individuals can never lead to peace, only our own destruction. Instead we must unite as one body.

I'm not here to argue what the Federation has done, nor the fact that you put everyone who is not part of the Amarr faith as inferior. I'm pointing out the things you failed to tell.

The things you speak of a misunderstandings. For example, we don't put those not of the Amarr faith as inferior. There is no Amarr faith, there is simply faith. Everyone is a child of God whether you accept it or not. We don't look down upon you, rather we extend our hand and try to pull you up. We only want the best for everyone.

You say yourself that it would be hard for someone of my race to understand such things what you are speaking of, doesn't that mean that you consider the Gallente as inferior for understanding the faith?

And the point remains that your birthplace and family determine how your life will be most likely when living as an Amarr, that's what I'm here to point out, not argue about your faith.

No, I am simply saying that if you were raised in the darkness it may be hard to see the light. It would require a journey of transformation which the Amarr would graciously provide to you, and one day you may come to see the truth and be accepted as among the rest of the Amarr citizens.

The family you are born into does not determine your status among society, that is simply the by-product of being raised by people who can adequately fill you with truth and faith. At the end of the day it is and always will be determined by each persons own actions.

Some are high born, they are no closer to God than any other man, all children are equal in God's eyes, all may come to his side, and all may bask in his light.

From the slave to the Holder, neither is more than the other in the eyes of the lord. Any distinctions between our castes are to distinguish those who commit earthly deeds to the cause, however in terms of faith we are one.

And unto each, bestowed purpose
- The Scriptures, Book I 1:4

Look at the Ni Kunni. We did not kill them, we have done upon them what we are doing to the Minmatar and they are now accepted as equals in the Empire. The difference is they did not feel the need to revolt against the their saviors. We only kill as a last resort to those who repeatedly deny the truth and impose a threat upon the human race.

It may be hard for one raced among Gallenteans to understand, but there is a greater purpose beyond yourself. The Gallente preach freedom and democracy, a very individualist ideal. It is noble, but it is flawed. A world ran by individuals can never lead to peace, only our own destruction. Instead we must unite as one body.

This discussion is about spreading the Truth, not comparing military might. Of course civilizations fueled by war will have technology suitable for the situation. Again, the Amarr are focused around uniting humanity and bringing peace to the universe. We do not wish to fight, but will as a last resort in the case of the truly wicked.

bringing peace? that's a laugh, do you think it was peace when you mercilessly attacked the Minmitar worlds and enslaved them? was it peace when you waged war against the jovians in the name of your god? is it peace when you kill off every civilization that's not like you or puts up a resistance?

you talk about peace yet you empires history is filled with savagery and brutality.

You want to talk about history? How about reading what I already wrote about history. You act like what we do to the Minmatar is some violent act of hate, when in actuality it is a peaceful act of love. Want history to back that up? Look at the Ni Kunni, same situation as the Minmatar when we found them and we did to them what we do to the Minmatar. Only difference is they didn't rebel. Now the vast majority of the Ni Kunni are no longer servants but equal members of our society, all done without waging war.

To be fair, not all the Minmatar are vicious traitors. Several of them remain faithful, and they too will one day carry their race past servitude and into the fullness of His light!

As do well all friend.

Some people unfortunately cannot be saved, while the greater empires can all be saved, there are some who will not be saved. These heretics must be slain as a part of God's design.

Bloodraiders, the fiends of Sansha' Kuvakei's Nation, other cultists and groups who pervert the True Word of God.

How is your Federation any different. During the Caldari-Gallente wars the federation placed your people under its thumb, close military scrutiny was appiied, your people were persecuted and exiled by the Federations edicts, they made you second class citizen, they made the Intaki second class citizens.

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iv read about your assimilated races, most of you pure blooded amarrians still look down on the Ni Kunni as if they are still slaves, how can mercilessly destroying entire planets be an act of peace? and this so called love you speak of, it must be tough love. have you ever considered the possibility that youv been lied to by your own religion to keep you in line and prevent an internal uprising and civil war? think about it, all religions have a main critical flaw, they all have a ruler that is in human flesh and blood.

You read this? Huh, well have you ever considered that what you are reading is simply propaganda? Pure blood Amarrians do not look down upon any other bloodlines, I can tell you that as an actual member of the society.

As to us being lied to, you say this because you have not come to terms with faith. It is not something easy to acquire, which is why we put the races we've discovered on the path we do. We are not destroying worlds, we are embracing them and saving them.

You put a fear in the fact that we have a leader who takes the form of a human. To me this signals that you have an insecurity towards other humans, that they cannot be trusted. That is why you create a society focused around the individual, because deep inside you are afraid of each other. You can try and hide it, but eventually it gets out and the result is mindless wars like the Gallente have initiated with the Caldari, and how the Gallente let it grow to a level where you accept the loss of billions of innocent civillians as simply a cost of war. You seem so uptight that we place races on a path of servitude while providing for their every need, yet you seem to let your morality slide when it comes to your own actions.

One day you will die and there will be no fresh clone to wake up in. You bear witness of truth yet you still reject it, and for that there will be no compassion nor mercy at the end of days. Still, for as long as you may live I extend this invitation to repent your sins and achieve salvation through the lord. But be weary, for you will not know when your last day comes.

Im not sure why you bother with god and hevan any way. When you die theyll just reclone you and youll never fet to meet your maker. Wellcome to hell the place whare you get to be run over by murder cabs, shot in the head from 400m away, blown uo by a rail tank on top of a mountain and bkown up by hand rockets on an hourly basis for ALL TIME

I bear my own burdens, you can keep your invitation, im not interested. I fight for freedom, not for slavery

@Aero there will allways be a fresh clone when someone is willing to profit from your life and your death.

and an empire ruled by monarchy will never succeed because in the end an individual can never speak for the whole, all empires have fallen in the past because they have too much pride in their empires and did not let the will of the people take control and instead became like the amarrians, power hungry ruthless and savage slavers. the only difference is that you amarrians never had trouble conquering your home planet and became a space empire while the empires on earth fought each other and other nationalities in the same planet.

@Aero there will allways be a fresh clone when someone is willing to profit from your life and your death.

better than becoming a slave imo. btw im pure blooded Gallente

True Adamance, you handle the uneducated's arguments with much more grace than I do. I pray that God may bestow upon me the same grace so I can better educate those living in darkness.

I shall, though it is a matter of indoctrination. Some are educated to believe that a lack of faith in anything is cause enough to name those with faith fools, and dictators, they would not yet understand. What God offers us is a chance for a better life, where actions of grace and kindness are rewarded after death, and ones conscience and soul and pure and just.

Judgement day comes for everyone, even those that force people of culture to bear thier children into a life of slavery. Your day of judgement is coming my friend. You speak of peace but your actions are nothing short of savage. Remember my name, I am a leader of free people! When we meet on the field of battle i promise, your judgement will be swift as i will show no mercy.

You talk of grace and kindness but profit from the many horrible and excruciating deaths that many have undergone at your hand . To preach love and religion is one thing but to preach love and faith whilst profiting from the deaths of thousands is well plain contradiction. I can see your point faith is a great force to rally your troops behind but otger than that it wont stop the missiles bulits or death cabs from bringi g about your imminent demise.

better than becoming a slave imo. btw im pure blooded Gallente

Watch where you point your swords of damnation, for you may be pointing at yourself. Let it be known there is no greater contrast in New Eden than that of the the economical classes of the Federation. They allow anyone to rise to the top, all the while greasing the ladder to make it easy to fall to the bottom. Many of the wealthiest people in the known universe are Gallente, while ranks of the poor number in millions. The rich of their society thrive of the work of these men and women. The Federation challenges our position on slavery while cleverly disguising their own.

The Amarr Empire has the 2nd greatest economy and New Eden and it is focused heavily around agriculture and mineral resources. We stand no profit to gain by war, only the loss of brothers and sisters we have failed to save.

actually, your source of labor is 100% slave labor, so if we were to take away your slaves then your economy would fall.

and btw, what are the caldari to you, they are for profit not religion yet you work with them

Did you not hear Empress Jamyll's words at her coronation.

"What you give unto this Empire, I Shall give back unto you"

The Caldari choose to aid us, our links to then through the Khanid peoples are our ties, and the Caldari are strong defenders of family ties, and loyalty, and we in seeing this respond to their trustworthiness and loyalty by giving the same back unto them.

Gallenteans speak of truth and freedom, right and just purpose, of opportunity for all, yet demand absolute obeisance to their own political ethos, they persecute with the same zeal in the name of their cause as perhaps our more zealous brothers and sisters do.

Hypocrites are rampant in the Federation, two talking politician who call for their people to support them with no intention of giving back to the masses, lies, political sabotage, and the whoring of ones ideals are the inner working of the Federation you speak of.

Indoctrination into their system has blinded you sir, you have no intention of looking for faith in the dark, you are closed to God's light, yet you can be saved, this I believe with all my heart.

You talk of grace and kindness but profit from the many horrible and excruciating deaths that many have undergone at your hand . To preach love and religion is one thing but to preach love and faith whilst profiting from the deaths of thousands is well plain contradiction. I can see your point faith is a great force to rally your troops behind but otger than that it wont stop the missiles bulits or death cabs from bringi g about your imminent demise.

I have my own light, I have my own faith, I pray to nobody. you my friend are in the dark for following a religion based on slavery and brutality.

Brutality?

Where does this misguided notion that we are brutal masters. Emperor Heideran VII stated that slaves must be treated fairly, a sentiment our current Empress shares. We, as upholders of the faith and guardians of the Empire, must therefore be seen to treat slaves fairly. If we do not, we go against the word of our Empress and therefore the word of God.

Brutality?

Where does this misguided notion that we are brutal masters.

slavery is the lowest form of labor and the most poorly taken care of, slavery is still slavery, no matter how much ypu try to sugar coat it

slavery is the lowest form of labor and the most poorly taken care of, slavery is still slavery, no matter how much ypu try to sugar coat it

Wrong toon

((GODDAMN its difficult juggling three toons and 3 different personas))

((I have a Gallente and Caldari toon that I play from time to time but have stopped trying to argue in character for their empire. Amarr is more fun to argue, only race that has a clear cut purpose in life ))

you fail to see that the reason they chose to leave is because they hate the amarr mpire for what you did to their ancestors.

Um ... interestingly, Mr. Echo, the freed Matari who returned to the Republic very frequently retain the Amarrian faith, even if they still hold some Matari identity. This has been causing some tension with their neighbors and relatives, apparently.

More generally-- you're not wrong that the Amarr faith is aggressive, which makes them somewhat dangerous people to live near if you don't share their religion. However, there do seem to be quite a few-- likely even a majority-- who genuinely see slavery as a sort of spiritual apprenticeship.

There's nothing especially hypocritical about it; they think they're doing you a favor if they conquer and enslave you. The fact that they mostly think it's for your own good, however, doesn't make it much less worrying.

As for why they associate with the Caldari, neither the State nor the Empire cares to face both the Republic and Federation alone-- which they would be doing if they parted company. More broadly, the Empire and State each appreciates the other's comparatively orderly, conservative culture. They're not the same, and, in the long run, maybe not even compatible as neighbors in the absence of bigger problems on each empire's borders, but it's more than enough to cement relations comfortably.

you fail to see that the reason they chose to leave is because they hate the amarr mpire for what you did to their ancestors.

The Ammatar and the Ni Kunni both live peacefully amongst use and neighbours and as close friends, they are the purest example of Matari converts to the true faith.

they were forced to do so by your brutality or else they would be killed

Sir come back with example of Amarrian brutality before you accuse us and paint us in a negative light. I seem to remember recent events within the Federation with the murder of Karin Midular by a Gallentean, and the subsequent brutal execution of that man by the Minmatar.

the countless civilizations youv enslaved in the name of your god dont count as brutality? jesus your too far gone, religious fanatics

You still have no respeonded to my current allegations that your people are as brutal as any others.

The Gallenteans seem to have this notion that they are champions of justice a truth.... such fools.

Our religion gives us unity, unity is the greatest gift humanity can receive, only in unity can our blessings be counted.

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed

everyone has brutality in them, I wont deny that the federation does as well, I will not hesitate to strike down tyranny when it appears in front of me

everyone has brutality in them, I wont deny that the federation does as well, I will not hesitate to strike down tyranny when it appears in front of me

everyone has brutality in them, I wont deny that the federation does as well, I will not hesitate to strike down tyranny when it appears in front of me

If this is true, you should first strike down the tyranny that has been present right under your nose. The Federation may claim themselves to be a democracy, but try to look past their paper thin curtain.

I suggest you do the same to your empire since it is ruled my religion alone and a class system. you claim to want peace and unity yet you kill all those who think differently than you and you have no tolerance for anyone

Where is the misinformation of Amarr murdering those who disagree with our beliefs? We merely combat those who threaten our way of life, as would any great empire do. As Adamance has made clear, we do tolerate those of different beliefs; for example, Caldari State. We still seek to convert them, but we will not attack them unless they threaten us.

I had a good friend of mine who converted to your scriptures. He was a fine soldier, even for a deteis, and a devote practitioner of the way of the winds. All of a sudden, our corporation sends him off to some godforsaken planet to accompany a squad of you zealots.

Last time I saw him he'd hooked himself up to one of those Amarr-tech suits that bolt into your spine, started calling himself an embodiment of god's will. He made for a poor drinking buddy after that to say the least.

I trust you Amarr about as far as I can throw you. You want to seem all buddy buddy on the barge, fine, but don't start thinking I am ever going to be your friend. You will just keep nudging me and nudging me until I am in one of those freakish suits too I bet.

Then why declare war on the Jove?

Your scriptures are brainwashing, pure and simple. You use the mask of a false religion to exploit individuals into acting towards the ends of those who organize your sermons. I am not one to deny the shortcomings of any other nation, I already come with the knowledge that the exploitation of citizens is commonplace. However you Amarr do it in the most despicable fashion I can imagine. You prey off those who pray. You feed off hope. You take humanity's most powerful gift, and you use it to modify individuals into tools for your empire.

We did not declare war on the Jove, we declared that we were going to Reclaim them and shepherd them out of darkness. They resisted, as do most who lived all their life unaware of the light, but rest assure one day they too shall be welcomed among our Empire. They did not defeat us, our plans in the reclamation were merely postponed due to internal conflict stirred by the Federation.

We did not declare war on the Jove, we declared that we were going to Reclaim them and shepherd them out of darkness. They resisted, as do most who lived all their life unaware of the light, but rest assure one day they too shall be welcomed among our Empire. They did not defeat us, our plans in the reclamation were merely postponed due to internal conflict stirred by the Federation.

You Amarr are a tough nut to crack.

We declared war on the Jove in arrogance, our own faith and zeal blinded us to our true callings. We said that we would reclaim the stars but what we did not see was that war is not always the answer to such an end. In the height of our folly God chose to punish us, and from that we learned of humbleness.

With all do respect brother, but are our true callings not to defeat the enemies of the outside and control the enemies of the inside in order to cultivate the spirit of man? It is our purpose to go forth and reclaim what he has given and to spread the Truth. We do not desire war, but if those who learn of the true path and reject to follow it choose to combat us we have no choice but to defend our faith. God did not punish us, for while there is no strength like our faith throughout the Heavens we are still mortal men; even us who are deemed "immortal" by our peers shall too one day parish from this realm. The defeat was merely but another hardship we must endure to become closer to God.

I believe that it is our goal to unite humanity under a single banner, to allow all to share in God's light, however there are other ways to defeat enemies than in battle, our faith teaches us this.

You are not looking at our empire through a clear lense, you cannot condemn a religious people while not subscribing to religion yourself, nor can you profess to know the minds of our people. What do our lords and masters have to gain from exploiting those already faithful to our god and our empress.

Our people are not tools, to a man like Kuvakei Sansha humanity may seem like tool, to us they are the sons and daughters of God by whose divine providence accepts them willingliy for all their flaws into his arms in heaven.

I would like to see you explain that to the Minmatar. They seem very adamant about the fact that they did not select your religion before be subjugated to it's law.

I would like to see you explain the Ammatar who formerly were minmatar and now embrace the faith, also that many of the emacipated slaves of Jamyll Sarums proclaimation returned to the Empire, and many more returned to the republic and continued their observances of the Amarri Faith.

Um ... Void Echo, since you seem to think that pointing out that many of the freed former slaves immigrated to the Republic is a complete argument, you may want to consider this:

What is the difference between a returnee who openly practices an evangelical foreign faith ... and a missionary?

Many among the Amarr consider conversion at swordpoint outdated; apparently the previous two emperors held just such beliefs. For those whose primary concern is avoiding bloodshed (not to mention mass enslavement), this is a great step forward. For those of us who mostly want to practice our own native faiths in peace?

Thank the spirits the State isn't a religiously open society.

I used this example merely to show that the freed minmatar chose to return to the republic and not stay within amarrian borders

I used this example merely to show that the freed minmatar chose to return to the republic and not stay within amarrian borders

I used this example merely to show that the freed minmatar chose to return to the republic and not stay within amarrian borders

Point out the Scripture that gave amarr the right to "induce hardship" on non believers. I've read it, but I don't think I've understood our holy book.

Its this one here

"Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God"
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5

What I don't understand is how any other empire's creation would have any less hardships, if not more with how rich in natural material it still is today. Also, could you explain how this justifies performing what should solely be god's duty?

What I don't understand is how any other empire's creation would have any less hardships, if not more with how rich in natural material it still is today. Also, could you explain how this justifies performing what should solely be god's duty?

What I don't understand is how any other empire's creation would have any less hardships, if not more with how rich in natural material it still is today. Also, could you explain how this justifies performing what should solely be god's duty?

But how can you follow it if even you, who I assume to be devoted your whole life, don't understand it? I understand that faith is following what you have no proof of, but in my eyes that would be for not actually seeing god.

But how can you follow it if even you, who I assume to be devoted your whole life, don't understand it? I understand that faith is following what you have no proof of, but in my eyes that would be for not actually seeing god.

There you go again, questioning what you cannot understand and coming to your own false conclusions. This is why you will not be saved. You must come to grips that God is all powerful. We may not understand His ways, but we do not need to. We know Him. Tell me, do you even understand how your implant works to all the finest details? Yet you accept it nonetheless and have faith that each time you die your conscious will be transferred to a fresh clone.

I trust it because it has been active in my existence, unlike your god which has done nothing for me. Without this implant I would've died long ago, since I assume you've read my story, tell me how it would be any different?

Now that I've given it some thought, I believe it is our god who lead me here. Now that I know my curiosity will have to be solved over my immortal "lifespan" or left gnawing at the back of my mind for what could possibly be all of the rest of time, my choice is clear.

So what is my next step?

That is dependent on your sincerity and the ruling of the Theology Council.

I wouldn't return to the peopleI wronged if I wasn't sincere.

Sincerity is good.

But it does not absolve sin.

I have always given great prestige towards the Amarrians and their faith. So convicted in their beliefs and adherent to their god. Though your stance on slavery is an interesting one to say the least. As an Achur I have gone to great lengths to understand the universe and our race of men. It is of no doubt we are all spiritually linked, but why then rinse every civilization of its identity? We have so much to learn from each other, as I have from you.