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Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:16:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:You forgot to mention that you convert people by killing them and live in a caste system. Look at the Ni Kunni. We did not kill them, we have done upon them what we are doing to the Minmatar and they are now accepted as equals in the Empire. The difference is they did not feel the need to revolt against the their saviors. We only kill as a last resort to those who repeatedly deny the truth and impose a threat upon the human race. It may be hard for one raced among Gallenteans to understand, but there is a greater purpose beyond yourself. The Gallente preach freedom and democracy, a very individualist ideal. It is noble, but it is flawed. A world ran by individuals can never lead to peace, only our own destruction. Instead we must unite as one body.
and an empire ruled by monarchy will never succeed because in the end an individual can never speak for the whole, all empires have fallen in the past because they have too much pride in their empires and did not let the will of the people take control and instead became like the amarrians, power hungry ruthless and savage slavers. the only difference is that you amarrians never had trouble conquering your home planet and became a space empire while the empires on earth fought each other and other nationalities in the same planet. |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:21:00 -
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the Gallente Federation stands for individual freedom and prosperity, and we have succeeded in doing so to the civilizations within our borders, and because of this freedom, we have a military might stronger than if not equal to you Amarrians, its even been quoted before that when the Amarrian empire met the Gallente Federation they did not attack because they knew that despite the size of the Gallente military, we could still equally match your power in battle, and I also recall you lost your war with the jovians when you thought that they were inferior and weak and didn't expect there to be so much resistance. that's what I call arrogance, and look where it lead you, a major defeat and impact to Amarrian pride.
I also found a lost data bank into human history in New Eden which explains the exact origin of our species, the planet Earth.
(this thread is fun ) |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:32:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:This discussion is about spreading the Truth, not comparing military might. Of course civilizations fueled by war will have technology suitable for the situation. Again, the Amarr are focused around uniting humanity and bringing peace to the universe. We do not wish to fight, but will as a last resort in the case of the truly wicked.
bringing peace? that's a laugh, do you think it was peace when you mercilessly attacked the Minmitar worlds (unprovoked attack as well) and enslaved them? they never did anything to you, you just saw them and went straight for the kill. was it peace when you waged war against the jovians in the name of your god? is it peace when you kill off every civilization that's not like you or puts up a resistance?
you talk about peace yet you empires history is filled with savagery and brutality. |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:46:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Void Echo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:This discussion is about spreading the Truth, not comparing military might. Of course civilizations fueled by war will have technology suitable for the situation. Again, the Amarr are focused around uniting humanity and bringing peace to the universe. We do not wish to fight, but will as a last resort in the case of the truly wicked. bringing peace? that's a laugh, do you think it was peace when you mercilessly attacked the Minmitar worlds and enslaved them? was it peace when you waged war against the jovians in the name of your god? is it peace when you kill off every civilization that's not like you or puts up a resistance? you talk about peace yet you empires history is filled with savagery and brutality. You want to talk about history? How about reading what I already wrote about history. You act like what we do to the Minmatar is some violent act of hate, when in actuality it is a peaceful act of love. Want history to back that up? Look at the Ni Kunni, same situation as the Minmatar when we found them and we did to them what we do to the Minmatar. Only difference is they didn't rebel. Now the vast majority of the Ni Kunni are no longer servants but equal members of our society, all done without waging war. To be fair, not all the Minmatar are vicious traitors. Several of them remain faithful, and they too will one day carry their race past servitude and into the fullness of His light!
iv read about your assimilated races, most of you pure blooded amarrians still look down on the Ni Kunni as if they are still slaves, how can mercilessly destroying entire planets be an act of peace? and this so called love you speak of, it must be tough love. have you ever considered the possibility that youv been lied to by your own religion to keep you in line and prevent an internal uprising and civil war? think about it, all religions have a main critical flaw, they all have a ruler that is in human flesh and blood. |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:You forgot to mention that you convert people by killing them and live in a caste system. As do well all friend. Some people unfortunately cannot be saved, while the greater empires can all be saved, there are some who will not be saved. These heretics must be slain as a part of God's design. Bloodraiders, the fiends of Sansha' Kuvakei's Nation, other cultists and groups who pervert the True Word of God. How is your Federation any different. During the Caldari-Gallente wars the federation placed your people under its thumb, close military scrutiny was appiied, your people were persecuted and exiled by the Federations edicts, they made you second class citizen, they made the Intaki second class citizens.
better than becoming a slave imo. btw im pure blooded Gallente |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 11:05:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Void Echo wrote:[quote=Aero Yassavi]
iv read about your assimilated races, most of you pure blooded amarrians still look down on the Ni Kunni as if they are still slaves, how can mercilessly destroying entire planets be an act of peace? and this so called love you speak of, it must be tough love. have you ever considered the possibility that youv been lied to by your own religion to keep you in line and prevent an internal uprising and civil war? think about it, all religions have a main critical flaw, they all have a ruler that is in human flesh and blood. You read this? Huh, well have you ever considered that what you are reading is simply propaganda? Pure blood Amarrians do not look down upon any other bloodlines, I can tell you that as an actual member of the society. As to us being lied to, you say this because you have not come to terms with faith. It is not something easy to acquire, which is why we put the races we've discovered on the path we do. We are not destroying worlds, we are embracing them and saving them. You put a fear in the fact that we have a leader who takes the form of a human. To me this signals that you have an insecurity towards other humans, that they cannot be trusted. That is why you create a society focused around the individual, because deep inside you are afraid of each other. You can try and hide it, but eventually it gets out and the result is mindless wars like the Gallente have initiated with the Caldari, and how the Gallente let it grow to a level where you accept the loss of billions of innocent civillians as simply a cost of war. You seem so uptight that we place races on a path of servitude while providing for their every need, yet you seem to let your morality slide when it comes to your own actions.
that's because as an individual, I am a mercenary solder, I fight for my values and do what I can to protect the value of others. my birth family raised me to see that individuality is the true freedom and right of every human and that slavery is the weak's way of control. you say im insecure? you say im blind because I chose freedom over monarchy? that's all a laugh to me, im immortal, when my body is destroyed I wake up in another body ready to go again. I fear nothing, so I invite your god to nock on my merc quarters door.
you have far too much pride in your slave empire. |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 11:16:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:One day you will die and there will be no fresh clone to wake up in. You bear witness of truth yet you still reject it, and for that there will be no compassion nor mercy at the end of days. Still, for as long as you may live I extend this invitation to repent your sins and achieve salvation through the lord. But be weary, for you will not know when your last day comes.
I bear my own burdens, you can keep your invitation, im not interested. I fight for freedom, not for slavery |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:43:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:You forgot to mention that you convert people by killing them and live in a caste system. As do well all friend. Some people unfortunately cannot be saved, while the greater empires can all be saved, there are some who will not be saved. These heretics must be slain as a part of God's design. Bloodraiders, the fiends of Sansha' Kuvakei's Nation, other cultists and groups who pervert the True Word of God. How is your Federation any different. During the Caldari-Gallente wars the federation placed your people under its thumb, close military scrutiny was appiied, your people were persecuted and exiled by the Federations edicts, they made you second class citizen, they made the Intaki second class citizens. better than becoming a slave imo. btw im pure blooded Gallente Watch where you point your swords of damnation, for you may be pointing at yourself. Let it be known there is no greater contrast in New Eden than that of the the economical classes of the Federation. They allow anyone to rise to the top, all the while greasing the ladder to make it easy to fall to the bottom. Many of the wealthiest people in the known universe are Gallente, while ranks of the poor number in millions. The rich of their society thrive of the work of these men and women. The Federation challenges our position on slavery while cleverly disguising their own.
I point my sword at you and your empire, all this talk about peace yet you still use slavery. talk about love yet you kill everyone who doesn't think like you. your all hypocrites, it would serve you to taste your own harshness. and the reason none of your bloodlines speak of their own enslavement is probably because you forbid it and if they do youl enslave them again. |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:45:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:pegasis prime wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance, you handle the uneducated's arguments with much more grace than I do. I pray that God may bestow upon me the same grace so I can better educate those living in darkness. I shall, though it is a matter of indoctrination. Some are educated to believe that a lack of faith in anything is cause enough to name those with faith fools, and dictators, they would not yet understand. What God offers us is a chance for a better life, where actions of grace and kindness are rewarded after death, and ones conscience and soul and pure and just. You talk of grace and kindness but profit from the many horrible and excruciating deaths that many have undergone at your hand . To preach love and religion is one thing but to preach love and faith whilst profiting from the deaths of thousands is well plain contradiction. I can see your point faith is a great force to rally your troops behind but otger than that it wont stop the missiles bulits or death cabs from bringi g about your imminent demise. The Amarr Empire has the 2nd greatest economy and New Eden and it is focused heavily around agriculture and mineral resources. We stand no profit to gain by war, only the loss of brothers and sisters we have failed to save.
actually, your source of labor is 100% slave labor, so if we were to take away your slaves then your economy would fall.
and btw, what are the caldari to you, they are for profit not religion yet you work with them |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Did you not hear Empress Jamyll's words at her coronation.
"What you give unto this Empire, I Shall give back unto you"
The Caldari choose to aid us, our links to then through the Khanid peoples are our ties, and the Caldari are strong defenders of family ties, and loyalty, and we in seeing this respond to their trustworthiness and loyalty by giving the same back unto them.
Gallenteans speak of truth and freedom, right and just purpose, of opportunity for all, yet demand absolute obeisance to their own political ethos, they persecute with the same zeal in the name of their cause as perhaps our more zealous brothers and sisters do.
Hypocrites are rampant in the Federation, two talking politician who call for their people to support them with no intention of giving back to the masses, lies, political sabotage, and the whoring of ones ideals are the inner working of the Federation you speak of.
Indoctrination into their system has blinded you sir, you have no intention of looking for faith in the dark, you are closed to God's light, yet you can be saved, this I believe with all my heart.
I have my own light, I have my own faith, I pray to nobody. you my friend are in the dark for following a religion based on slavery and brutality. |
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Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Did you not hear Empress Jamyll's words at her coronation.
"What you give unto this Empire, I Shall give back unto you"
The Caldari choose to aid us, our links to then through the Khanid peoples are our ties, and the Caldari are strong defenders of family ties, and loyalty, and we in seeing this respond to their trustworthiness and loyalty by giving the same back unto them.
Gallenteans speak of truth and freedom, right and just purpose, of opportunity for all, yet demand absolute obeisance to their own political ethos, they persecute with the same zeal in the name of their cause as perhaps our more zealous brothers and sisters do.
Hypocrites are rampant in the Federation, two talking politician who call for their people to support them with no intention of giving back to the masses, lies, political sabotage, and the whoring of ones ideals are the inner working of the Federation you speak of.
Indoctrination into their system has blinded you sir, you have no intention of looking for faith in the dark, you are closed to God's light, yet you can be saved, this I believe with all my heart.
I have my own light, I have my own faith, I pray to nobody. you my friend are in the dark for following a religion based on slavery and brutality. Brutality? Where does this misguided notion that we are brutal masters. Emperor Heideran VII stated that slaves must be treated fairly, a sentiment our current Empress shares. We, as upholders of the faith and guardians of the Empire, must therefore be seen to treat slaves fairly. If we do not, we go against the word of our Empress and therefore the word of God.
slavery is the lowest form of labor and the most poorly taken care of, slavery is still slavery, no matter how much ypu try to sugar coat it |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:44:00 -
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you fail to see that the reason they chose to leave is because they hate the amarr mpire for what you did to their ancestors. |
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Posted - 2013.07.06 02:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:you fail to see that the reason they chose to leave is because they hate the amarr mpire for what you did to their ancestors. The Ammatar and the Ni Kunni both live peacefully amongst use and neighbours and as close friends, they are the purest example of Matari converts to the true faith.
they were forced to do so by your brutality or else they would be killed |
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Posted - 2013.07.06 02:35:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:you fail to see that the reason they chose to leave is because they hate the amarr mpire for what you did to their ancestors. The Ammatar and the Ni Kunni both live peacefully amongst use and neighbours and as close friends, they are the purest example of Matari converts to the true faith. they were forced to do so by your brutality or else they would be killed Sir come back with example of Amarrian brutality before you accuse us and paint us in a negative light. I seem to remember recent events within the Federation with the murder of Karin Midular by a Gallentean, and the subsequent brutal execution of that man by the Minmatar.
the countless civilizations youv enslaved in the name of your god dont count as brutality? jesus your too far gone, religious finatics |
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:57:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: You still have no respeonded to my current allegations that your people are as brutal as any others.
The Gallenteans seem to have this notion that they are champions of justice a truth.... such fools.
Our religion gives us unity, unity is the greatest gift humanity can receive, only in unity can our blessings be counted.
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed
everyone has brutality in them, I wont deny that the federation does as well, I will not hesitate to strike down tyranny when it appears in front of me |
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:43:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote: You still have no respeonded to my current allegations that your people are as brutal as any others.
The Gallenteans seem to have this notion that they are champions of justice a truth.... such fools.
Our religion gives us unity, unity is the greatest gift humanity can receive, only in unity can our blessings be counted.
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed
everyone has brutality in them, I wont deny that the federation does as well, I will not hesitate to strike down tyranny when it appears in front of me If this is true, you should first strike down the tyranny that has been present right under your nose. The Federation may claim themselves to be a democracy, but try to look past their paper thin curtain.
I suggest you do the same to your empire since it is ruled my religion alone and a class system. you claim to want peace and unity yet you kill all those who think differently than you and you have no tolerance for anyone |
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:33:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Galm Fae wrote:True Adamance wrote:Galm Fae wrote:Your scriptures are brainwashing, pure and simple. You use the mask of a false religion to exploit individuals into acting towards the ends of those who organize your sermons. I am not one to deny the shortcomings of any other nation, I already come with the knowledge that the exploitation of citizens is commonplace. However you Amarr do it in the most despicable fashion I can imagine. You prey off those who pray. You feed off hope. You take humanity's most powerful gift, and you use it to modify individuals into tools for your empire. You are not looking at our empire through a clear lense, you cannot condemn a religious people while not subscribing to religion yourself, nor can you profess to know the minds of our people. What do our lords and masters have to gain from exploiting those already faithful to our god and our empress. Our people are not tools, to a man like Kuvakei Sansha humanity may seem like tool, to us they are the sons and daughters of God by whose divine providence accepts them willingliy for all their flaws into his arms in heaven. I would like to see you explain that to the Minmatar. They seem very adamant about the fact that they did not select your religion before be subjugated to it's law. I would like to see you explain the Ammatar who formerly were minmatar and now embrace the faith, also that many of the emacipated slaves of Jamyll Sarums proclaimation returned to the Empire, and many more returned to the republic and continued their observances of the Amarri Faith.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:50:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote: I would like to see you explain the Ammatar who formerly were minmatar and now embrace the faith, also that many of the emacipated slaves of Jamyll Sarums proclaimation returned to the Empire, and many more returned to the republic and continued their observances of the Amarri Faith. Um ... Void Echo, since you seem to think that pointing out that many of the freed former slaves immigrated to the Republic is a complete argument, you may want to consider this: What is the difference between a returnee who openly practices an evangelical foreign faith ... and a missionary? Many among the Amarr consider conversion at swordpoint outdated; apparently the previous two emperors held just such beliefs. For those whose primary concern is avoiding bloodshed (not to mention mass enslavement), this is a great step forward. For those of us who mostly want to practice our own native faiths in peace? Thank the spirits the State isn't a religiously open society.
I used this example merely to show that the freed minmatar chose to return to the republic and not stay within amarrian borders |
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