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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:19:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:you fail to see that the reason they chose to leave is because they hate the amarr mpire for what you did to their ancestors.
Um ... interestingly, Mr. Echo, the freed Matari who returned to the Republic very frequently retain the Amarrian faith, even if they still hold some Matari identity. This has been causing some tension with their neighbors and relatives, apparently.
More generally-- you're not wrong that the Amarr faith is aggressive, which makes them somewhat dangerous people to live near if you don't share their religion. However, there do seem to be quite a few-- likely even a majority-- who genuinely see slavery as a sort of spiritual apprenticeship.
There's nothing especially hypocritical about it; they think they're doing you a favor if they conquer and enslave you. The fact that they mostly think it's for your own good, however, doesn't make it much less worrying.
As for why they associate with the Caldari, neither the State nor the Empire cares to face both the Republic and Federation alone-- which they would be doing if they parted company. More broadly, the Empire and State each appreciates the other's comparatively orderly, conservative culture. They're not the same, and, in the long run, maybe not even compatible as neighbors in the absence of bigger problems on each empire's borders, but it's more than enough to cement relations comfortably. |
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Posted - 2013.07.08 02:27:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:everyone has brutality in them, I wont deny that the federation does as well, I will not hesitate to strike down tyranny when it appears in front of me
Respectfully, you will have a lot of striking down to do.
Blood falls. The ideal remains unachieved because it is unachievable.
So it has ever been.
So it will ever be. |
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:49:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote: I would like to see you explain the Ammatar who formerly were minmatar and now embrace the faith, also that many of the emacipated slaves of Jamyll Sarums proclaimation returned to the Empire, and many more returned to the republic and continued their observances of the Amarri Faith.
Um ... Void Echo, since you seem to think that emphasizing that many of the freed former slaves immigrated to the Republic is a complete argument, you may want to consider this:
What is the difference between a returnee who openly practices an evangelical foreign faith ... and a missionary?
Many among the Amarr consider conversion at swordpoint outdated; apparently the previous two emperors held just such beliefs. For those whose primary concern is avoiding bloodshed (not to mention mass enslavement), this is a great step forward. For those of us who mostly want to practice our own native faiths in peace?
Thank the spirits the State isn't a religiously open society. |
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:06:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:I used this example merely to show that the freed minmatar chose to return to the republic and not stay within amarrian borders
Many did, yes. I responded as I did to suggest that perhaps they did not do so for the reasons you hint at, or not for those reasons alone.
With respect, you seem to be attempting to pick specific points of validation out of a complex set of circumstances.
Perhaps these migrants wished to live alongside their blood relatives. Perhaps they wished to foster peace between the Amarr and the Matari. Perhaps they hated living under Amarrian rule (yet nevertheless believe in the Amarrian god). Perhaps they wanted to ensure that their families converted to the "true faith."
Any and all of these are possible, and probably all are true in some cases-- but how many?
I'm curious about the full truth, but it's really none of my business. Perhaps some party closer to the situation will take a poll? |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 05:00:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:What I don't understand is how any other empire's creation would have any less hardships, if not more with how rich in natural material it still is today. Also, could you explain how this justifies performing what should solely be god's duty?
Soldier, with respect, you are not the first to seek to try to prove, to yourself or others, that the Empire is morally indefensible. Some have even seemed to think themselves successful.
The sad fact of the matter seems to be that, if we take the Amarr on their own terms, they are merely struggling to carry out their god's will in the flawed way of mortals. They are largely genuine in their belief, and largely firm in their faith. As a people, they do not even seem to be especially cruel.
Testing their internal integrity will not satisfy, soldier. The trouble comes if we look at them on our own terms. It is from without, not within, that they give cause for fear.
How much cause, seems to depend on who is looking. |
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