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Icy TIG3R
Red Star.
EoN.
409
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Posted - 2013.07.03 19:59:00 -
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Only the scrubs with no gun game at all are complaining. Please tell them to **** off.
Yeah, it hurts when your SP can't carry you. But in the end it all comes down to getting good.
So, GG. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1641
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:02:00 -
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Loving the movement right now. |
Kiro Justice
Tritan's Onslaught
RISE of LEGION
176
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:28:00 -
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I agree. |
xjumpman23
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
379
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:32:00 -
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The increase in strafing speeds is the first step towards giving skilled new players an actual chance to overcome both gear and SP advantages. Anybody that wants strafing speeds reverted wants to hide behind gear and SP. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4346
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:33:00 -
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I know, it's almost as if some of us are concerned with how this is a very big change in design direction at a time when CCP claims to want to put balancing on the backburner, despite the fact that this further tips balance in the favor of a few particular playstyles.
Some people just want to watch Heavies turn  |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven
League of Infamy
481
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:39:00 -
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Still can't out strafe my Fused Locus Grenade, get good. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
1754
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:42:00 -
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Strafe speeds are BS and its not going to help new players at all. Players canstill hidebehind gear no problem, look at any ******* using a Caldari Logi and a Flaylock pistol and Contact grenades.
Suffice to say, strafe speed change has further increased the disparity between shields/armor. This change should have only occured after the two were balanced and even then they should have slowly walked it up instead of making such a vast jump. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
2164
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:49:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:Only the scrubs with no gun game at all are complaining. Please tell them to **** off.
Yeah, it hurts when your SP can't carry you. But in the end it all comes down to getting good.
So, GG.
I support the new strafing, but we need a better argument than "Learn2play herp-derp!" |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
574
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:51:00 -
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it should stagger based on the suit. Fastest to slowest- Scout-logi-assault-heavy |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4354
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:53:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Fused Locus Grenade, get good.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
2156
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:19:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Green Living wrote:Fused Locus Grenade, get good. I don't want to live on this planet anymore
Yeah, my eyeballs bled a little. |
Icy TIG3R
Red Star.
EoN.
411
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:30:00 -
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So many terribad opinions.
This strafing speed is the first step to making the game feel fluid and fun just like it used to be Replication and prior, before Open Beta came around and garbo players started complaining that they sucked.
First step to balancing as well. |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1644
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:31:00 -
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Strafe speed only further buffed shield tankers, who were already better in every way than armor tankers.
This was just the straw that broke the camel's back. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
322
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:33:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:Only the scrubs with no gun game at all are complaining. Please tell them to **** off.
Yeah, it hurts when your SP can't carry you. But in the end it all comes down to getting good.
So, GG.
All I need is the aiming to get fixed and I'll be happy with my scrambler pistol. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
322
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:37:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Strafe speed only further buffed shield tankers, who were already better in every way than armor tankers.
This was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Armor tankers got buffed by new strafe, if anything it's the shield energizer that's making shields superior to armor in terms of survivalbility. |
Skipper Jones
Red Star.
EoN.
229
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:43:00 -
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It's not about being good. It may be because you use the AR and have better accuracy. Using the SR and trying to track these erratic motions of these players is completely unnecessary. No one complained about the strafing speed. There was no need to change it.
CCP probably won't change it back. They probably don't realize that no one asked for it so it didn't need to be changed. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
2166
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:43:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Strafe speed only further buffed shield tankers, who were already better in every way than armor tankers.
This was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Armor tankers got buffed by new strafe, if anything it's the shield energizer that's making shields superior to armor in terms of survivalbility.
Man, I wish someone could explain this stuff so people can stop getting unnecessarily butthurt. |
Skipper Jones
Red Star.
EoN.
229
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:45:00 -
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It's kind of a bad opinion argument though. The peolpe who didn't care for the new change are just saying "Get good. HTFU. Adapt or DIe" It's good to see CCP create a gap between players... |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals
EoN.
404
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:45:00 -
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I'm an Amarr Assault. Prior to 1.2 consistently got scores of 32/4, 21/0, 17/2, etc. Post 1.2 - 6/6, 9/12, 1/11 - yeah CCP screwed the game over with the new strafe speeds.
#deathtothestrafe |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4363
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:47:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Strafe speed only further buffed shield tankers, who were already better in every way than armor tankers.
This was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Armor tankers got buffed by new strafe, if anything it's the shield energizer that's making shields superior to armor in terms of survivalbility.
You obviously know what you're talking about, care to explain to me how armor got buffed by strafe speed? Do you think it's because the passive HP regen will be more useful if you're strafing a lot and negating enemy fire? What about the reduced speed, especially when the % penalties are applying properly to armor plates?
It would seem like less speed in a strafe game is just asking to die a painful death, so I'm actually quite curious to hear your point of view on this particular aspect of it. |
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IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
Top Men.
800
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:54:00 -
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The only ones complaining are the ones that don't know how to aim and strafe at the same time....
I do have to agree on one thing though, Shield tankers are benefiting from this more than they should while armor tankers are not.
Strafing pre 1.2 wasn't viable and pretty sluggish. 1.2 has finally fixed that and has made for fine and face paced movement. |
Icy TIG3R
Red Star.
EoN.
412
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:57:00 -
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I use Scrambler Rifles, and the bullet dispersion on them is broken so yeah... |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
325
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:10:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Strafe speed only further buffed shield tankers, who were already better in every way than armor tankers.
This was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Armor tankers got buffed by new strafe, if anything it's the shield energizer that's making shields superior to armor in terms of survivalbility. You obviously know what you're talking about, care to explain to me how armor got buffed by strafe speed? Do you think it's because the passive HP regen will be more useful if you're strafing a lot and negating enemy fire? What about the reduced speed, especially when the % penalties are applying properly to armor plates? It would seem like less speed in a strafe game is just asking to die a painful death, so I'm actually quite curious to hear your point of view on this particular aspect of it.
Before 1.2, the additional plates hit strafing hard.
While I used the Minmatar Logi back then when the proto had 5.3 movement speed, I made a fit with 500 armor and even though I still had much higher MS than the Heavy (stats on fitting screen), strafing was far slower than the heavy's base strafing speed. Now in 1.2 I tested a fit with 516 armor and 4.51 MS (base is 5.0 MS) and I got to still move faster than the heavy. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4374
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:16:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Before 1.2, the additional plates hit strafing hard.
While I used the Minmatar Logi back then when the proto had 5.3 movement speed, I made a fit with 500 armor and even though I still had much higher MS than the Heavy (stats on fitting screen), strafing was far slower than the heavy's base strafing speed. Now in 1.2 I tested a fit with 516 armor and 4.51 MS (base is 5.0 MS) and I got to still move faster than the heavy.
In relation to Shields vs Armor though, do you think that the new strafing speed favors armor as equally as it favors shields? Do you use only basic plates on your test fit, or did you use the new plates to get better speed (since apparently they screw with the stacking penalties)
Also, do you feel that being able to quickly hop side to side is fine as is? If so, why do you feel that it's preferable to having say a slight restriction to rapid back and forth strafe through a slight stamina cost to change directions, or a slight acceleration / deceleration when changing directions. |
Skipper Jones
Red Star.
EoN.
229
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:18:00 -
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I hate the generalizations that people make during these disagreements.
"The only people complaining are the people with high sp and no skillz. Get good" Well, I don't like the new strafing. I still do well in battles and still go positive. It's just the new strafing is ruining CQC. Especially since CCP had changed the Scrambler rifle somehow, to the point where it takes longer to kill people now.
It's also great to see 'good' players be excited about the new change and saying "Get good!!! Now it gives us a chance to be good" Doesn't that make it so new players have even a harder time playing against us? Seems like it's making the new player experience worse |
SENATOR KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
198
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:18:00 -
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xjumpman23 wrote:The increase in strafing speeds is the first step towards giving skilled new players an actual chance to overcome both gear and SP advantages. Anybody that wants strafing speeds reverted wants to hide behind gear and SP.
This is the news ive been waiting for.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
515
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:22:00 -
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xjumpman23 wrote:The increase in strafing speeds is the first step towards giving skilled new players an actual chance to overcome both gear and SP advantages. Anybody that wants strafing speeds reverted wants to hide behind gear and SP.
What about the above average players with gear+SP advantages? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4377
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:24:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:xjumpman23 wrote: Anybody that wants strafing speeds reverted wants to hide behind gear and SP. What about the above average players with gear+SP advantages?
They can strafe, so it doesn't apply |
SENATOR KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
198
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:24:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:xjumpman23 wrote:The increase in strafing speeds is the first step towards giving skilled new players an actual chance to overcome both gear and SP advantages. Anybody that wants strafing speeds reverted wants to hide behind gear and SP. What about the above average players with gear+SP advantages?
Im gonna dump on em now. |
xjumpman23
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:51:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:I use Scrambler Rifles, and the bullet dispersion on them is broken so yeah...
The RBS on the Scrambler rifles are ridiculous. |
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Hunter Fencen
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
8
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:57:00 -
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I'm just gonna diregard any caldari opinions on this as this favours them hugely so they're gonna want to keep it
It was fine you weren't complaining before so why defend it now? Back to 1.1 strafing |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
325
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:58:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Before 1.2, the additional plates hit strafing hard.
While I used the Minmatar Logi back then when the proto had 5.3 movement speed, I made a fit with 500 armor and even though I still had much higher MS than the Heavy (stats on fitting screen), strafing was far slower than the heavy's base strafing speed. Now in 1.2 I tested a fit with 516 armor and 4.51 MS (base is 5.0 MS) and I got to still move faster than the heavy. In relation to Shields vs Armor though, do you think that the new strafing speed favors armor as equally as it favors shields? Do you use only basic plates on your test fit, or did you use the new plates to get better speed (since apparently they screw with the stacking penalties) Also, do you feel that being able to quickly hop side to side is fine as is? If so, why do you feel that it's preferable to having say a slight restriction to rapid back and forth strafe through a slight stamina cost to change directions, or a slight acceleration / deceleration when changing directions.
Yes. |
Telcontar Dunedain
Internal Error.
496
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Posted - 2013.07.03 23:12:00 -
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Hunter Fencen wrote:I'm just gonna diregard any caldari opinions on this as this favours them hugely so they're gonna want to keep it
It was fine you weren't complaining before so why defend it now? Back to 1.1 strafing
Actually people have been pissed about this for 8-9 months when they nerfed movement speeds.
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xjumpman23
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2013.07.03 23:16:00 -
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Telcontar Dunedain wrote:Hunter Fencen wrote:I'm just gonna diregard any caldari opinions on this as this favours them hugely so they're gonna want to keep it
It was fine you weren't complaining before so why defend it now? Back to 1.1 strafing Actually people have been pissed about this for 8-9 months when they nerfed movement speeds.
This was the principle concern AUG-NOV |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
97
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:53:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:So many terribad opinions.
This strafing speed is the first step to making the game feel fluid and fun just like it used to be Replication and prior, before Open Beta came around and garbo players started complaining that they sucked.
First step to balancing as well.
I was from open beta and it seemed good then. But Uprising hits and everything feels slow and now 1.2 come and puts a little bit more speed and smoothness into the game. just a fix to armor and vehicles and then |
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CCP Wolfman
C C P
C C P Alliance
507
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:26:00 -
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Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman |
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:29:00 -
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Strafe speed is fine and does seem more fluid. However, my Heavy's turn speed often cannot keep up with strafers in a CQC scenario.
I am not saying to needlessly buff the HMG or anything of the like. I'd just like an increase in turn speed; that is all. |
loumanchew
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:29:00 -
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But...but.. but there's something wrong with my shotty!  |
Anuliadon Gortusk
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
32
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:44:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
If you play your own game you know there was a drastic change...but i like it so  |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
98
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:44:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
WOW!
also speaking of all caps will the Chat channels get fixed? from being all caps? |
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
731
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:47:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
I've heard that before.
How bout you performance me up some better aiming while you're at it? |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1652
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:03:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
Two things:
One, in third person mode, moving in all directions results in the same speed.
Before 1.2, moving backwards made you move at snail's speed, and sideways at a lower speed.
Two, the reticule size doesn't change between forward and sideways.
If strafing was at the same speed as before, then the reticule would change in size.
But it doesn't, it stays constant from forward movement to sideways movement.
I remember for a fact it changed before.
If you don't believe me find Dust 514 footage, JonnyPew would be a good source I think.
Do you guys really QA or do you just open Dust 514, load up a game, and if it doesn't crash you say "Good enough"? |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven
483
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:07:00 -
[43] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Green Living wrote:Fused Locus Grenade, get good. I don't want to live on this planet anymore Yeah, my eyeballs bled a little.
Glad someone was amused. |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1652
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:09:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Strafe speed only further buffed shield tankers, who were already better in every way than armor tankers.
This was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Armor tankers got buffed by new strafe, if anything it's the shield energizer that's making shields superior to armor in terms of survivalbility.
Lets see.
Before 1.2, strafe speed was the same, no matter how many plates you put on.
Now it depends on your walking speed.
So armor tankers are now slower instead of being the same.
I just destroyed your argument :) |
DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:10:00 -
[45] - Quote
What you guys are seeing is actually kbm support . |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4387
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:11:00 -
[46] - Quote
CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
Oh snap, I got owned.
I'll make sure to record and watch to be sure :p Feels like lots more hopping back and forth is going on. Guess it's back to messing with sensitivity |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1652
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:16:00 -
[47] - Quote
Nope.
I just timed strafing and moving forward.
Both got me to the same place from the same place, in exactly the same time.
This was not true before Uprising 1.2. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones
General Tso's Alliance
72
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:18:00 -
[48] - Quote
Yep finally had a chance to play today (man they have fast internet but the customer service is another story), and it felt good. Real smooth... |
The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
51
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:19:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Nope.
I just timed strafing and moving forward.
Both got me to the same place from the same place, in exactly the same time.
This was not true before Uprising 1.2.
No no your timer is wrong...remember it's better performance.  |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1654
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:20:00 -
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The Cobra Commander wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Nope.
I just timed strafing and moving forward.
Both got me to the same place from the same place, in exactly the same time.
This was not true before Uprising 1.2. No no your timer is wrong...remember it's better performance.
Maybe Dust's better performance made my timer run at a higher frame rate O_O |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4387
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:26:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:The Cobra Commander wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Nope.
I just timed strafing and moving forward.
Both got me to the same place from the same place, in exactly the same time.
This was not true before Uprising 1.2. No no your timer is wrong...remember it's better performance. Maybe Dust's better performance made my timer run at a higher frame rate O_O
Yea I have full normal movement forward back left and right, no slow down. This is true both first person and third person. |
Bob Teller
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
13
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:27:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I'm an Amarr Assault. Prior to 1.2 consistently got scores of 32/4, 21/0, 17/2, etc. Post 1.2 - 6/6, 9/12, 1/11 - yeah CCP screwed the game over with the new strafe speeds.
#deathtothestrafe
Sweet tears from scrambler rifle users,more tears please i want more! |
IRON PATRIOT 1
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:36:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
I was going to say if you used the shotgun b4 1.2 you would notice straffing is the same. The only problem I have with straffing is I have to pull out my sidearm to finish someone off which I cant do cause I'm a logi . |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Omega Commission
223
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:39:00 -
[54] - Quote
Quit crying straffing/speed in general is fine....
FFS Post Uprising movment is too sluggish so no one is able to aim people QQ.. Now Dust is actually heading in a positive direction and now its to fast you cant aim ? So you continue to ***** ?
We all knew performance was hurting us all pre 1.2, the majority have praised this patch and love the feel, be it the speed or performance increase..
Those QQing, you are a minority (per the last 17hrs)
Where is Snake when you need him... "Adapt or Die" |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
326
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:40:00 -
[55] - Quote
CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
Proof that CCP doesn't know how to play their game well enough to know what's changed. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
1771
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:05:00 -
[56] - Quote
Alldin Kan wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman Proof that CCP doesn't know how to play their game well enough to know what's changed.
For the first time ever I agree with an IMP.
How are we supposed to trust Devs to fix this game if they don't even know whata different between builds? I recant my earlier statement, CCP is lieing to us.
Now I want a respec since the flavor of the month is here to stay. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1415
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:15:00 -
[57] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman Proof that CCP doesn't know how to play their game well enough to know what's changed. For the first time ever I agree with an IMP. How are we supposed to trust Devs to fix this game if they don't even know whata different between builds? I recant my earlier statement, CCP is lieing to us. Now I want a respec since the flavor of the month is here to stay.
welcome to the club! It's completely crazy they way they are treating this game isn't it? |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1660
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:18:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman Proof that CCP doesn't know how to play their game well enough to know what's changed. For the first time ever I agree with an IMP. How are we supposed to trust Devs to fix this game if they don't even know whata different between builds? I recant my earlier statement, CCP is lieing to us. Now I want a respec since the flavor of the month is here to stay. welcome to the club! It's completely crazy they way they are treating this game isn't it?
Indeed. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
354
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:47:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
I dunno man, ive not played in a month or so and comming back in an amarr Assault suit with 401 ish Armor i can strafe faster then i can run forward, it feels like i am on ICE! Played a couple of games and i am pretty impossible to hit until they start chucking Fused Nades at me out of frustration, then it was exit que for me really fast :/
I like strafing on Ice :)
You Definatly fixed allot of aiming issues due to low performance and this strafing speed as KBM user benefits my playstyle tremendously, i folded a 6 man squad singlehandly in cqc gunfight using some figure scating inbetween them like a pro combined with 4 Headshots..before this fix placing a headshot aimed in cqc was like moving trough mud, combined with fast drying cement while being shackled to the floor with chains to hold down a planet thats being sucked into a black hole.
Now, its AIM and BAM..headshot, though i still am gonna need a couple of days to get used to this completely.
Time for me to come out of the MCC retirement Home Camp.
PS: did i mention i like strafing on Ice? |
D legendary hero
Strong-Arm
270
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:28:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:Only the scrubs with no gun game at all are complaining. Please tell them to **** off.
Yeah, it hurts when your SP can't carry you. But in the end it all comes down to getting good.
So, GG.
i wish this was true, but even trying to aim using the HMG people are too fast and the game mechanics through off the aim
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90028&find=unread |
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
CRONOS.
1670
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:58:00 -
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I will never agree with anyone saying that straffing isnt better now than it was in pre1.2 uprising. Seriously, games are way more dynamic now. And it fits a lot more the fact that we're uber future soldiers.
Oh god the joy, the joy ! |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:18:00 -
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I'm in a love - hate relationship with the new strafe
On one hand, the game feels different, new almost. Playstyle is very fast paced now and changed how people play. More skill is involved (questionable)
On the other hand, people are moving at rediculous sideway speeds that it just looks plain stupid. I mean seriously, it looks like the guy is faster running sideways. Seriously. Dont even get me started on speed scouts and their increased shotgun range.
The gap between armor and shield tanking just got wider.
My verdict, let the new strafing sink in then pop the question.
CCP Wolfman not knowing how different it is, lol :D |
Skipper Jones
Red Star.
EoN.
232
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:31:00 -
[63] - Quote
Doc Noah wrote:I'm in a love - hate relationship with the new strafe
On one hand, the game feels different, new almost. Playstyle is very fast paced now and changed how people play. More skill is involved (questionable)
On the other hand, people are moving at rediculous sideway speeds that it just looks plain stupid. I mean seriously, it looks like the guy is faster running sideways. Seriously. Dont even get me started on speed scouts and their increased shotgun range.
The gap between armor and shield tanking just got wider.
My verdict, let the new strafing sink in then pop the question.
CCP Wolfman not knowing how different it is, lol :D
This is exactly how I feel about it. The game feels smooth and connected (Legato). But when I come across a person that is moving sideways, forward, backward, jumping, falling in all directions, It feels a bit silly.
Since I armor tank, it my movement speed is lower. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
355
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:43:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Doc Noah wrote:I'm in a love - hate relationship with the new strafe
On one hand, the game feels different, new almost. Playstyle is very fast paced now and changed how people play. More skill is involved (questionable)
On the other hand, people are moving at rediculous sideway speeds that it just looks plain stupid. I mean seriously, it looks like the guy is faster running sideways. Seriously. Dont even get me started on speed scouts and their increased shotgun range.
The gap between armor and shield tanking just got wider.
My verdict, let the new strafing sink in then pop the question.
CCP Wolfman not knowing how different it is, lol :D This is exactly how I feel about it. The game feels smooth and connected (Legato). But when I come across a person that is moving sideways, forward, backward, jumping, falling in all directions, It feels a bit silly. Since I armor tank, it my movement speed is lower.
How much Armor on that tank ? i am up to 401 Armor on my Assault suit and i can still get a sprint speed of 6.80 without speed boosters, the new changes to armor stacking made Armor pretty useable. |
Dale Templar
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
187
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:55:00 -
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Wow, so they increase the strafe speed, you die a couple times using your old fits and then complain about it?
Why not, change your fittings to suit the new strafe speed, I love it personally, yeah, I've died alot over the past couple days getting used to it, but I've also had good rounds of 20+ kills. Vault Mechanics and slightly higher jumps wouldn't go amiss ala Brink or Crysis, but maybe I'm just asking for too much. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:00:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
Really ...? I saw a pig flying yesterday, was pink with blue spots, and was shooting hot-dogs with a HMG... the weirdest thing i have ever seen. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1368
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:20:00 -
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Game is more fun now grats CCP and thank you |
martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec
Orion Empire
239
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:41:00 -
[68] - Quote
Yep, played a few games last night. Ccp is definately going in the right direction with 1.2
I noticed the increased rates, mainly on others, since they now get to move faster. I play heavy, so this isn't really helping me out when taking about strafing and jumping. I am sure some tweaks need to be done tu the heavy turn speed or something. Before about 20% of the people were strafing and evading bullets in cqc, last night it felt more like 60%+. I fell the hmg is now better for mid ranges, but without the damage output at mid range. Under 20m last night, I had a harder time tracking ennemies than ever before.
Back to forge gun, like when Uprising released. Splash dmg work perfectly now with this gun.
Also loove then ranges on every weapon, fell more realistic.
Thumbs up for the patch. Keep on the good work! |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
51
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:50:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
What did you guys do to the endurance then? Add a delay? Scouts are sucking pretty bad due to this delay or w/e it is but it seems horrible, the movement is nice but everyone moving the same?
This endurance has totally hindered jumping as well is there a plan to fix this an stagger movement so scouts to heavies have a difference between them instead of a unnoticeable difference between classes? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
2157
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:13:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Strafe speed only further buffed shield tankers, who were already better in every way than armor tankers.
This was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Armor tankers got buffed by new strafe, if anything it's the shield energizer that's making shields superior to armor in terms of survivalbility. Man, I wish someone could explain this stuff so people can stop getting unnecessarily butthurt.
Yeah, because obviously ONLY shield suits got adjusted at all, because CCP has a vendetta against anyone that armor tanks.
That's clearly the only reasonable explanation. |
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Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:56:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:I will never agree with anyone saying that straffing isnt better now than it was in pre1.2 uprising. Seriously, games are way more dynamic now. And it fits a lot more the fact that we're uber future soldiers.
Oh god the joy, the joy !
Unless they remove the speed penalty from plates AND remove that stupid limit on heavy turning, this WILL be bitched about.
Because thanks to 1.2, Caldari and Minmatar are now EVEN MROE dominant. |
HowDidThatTaste
Internal Error.
2958
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:11:00 -
[72] - Quote
Keep the straife speed but fix the turn speed of the hmg or increase its damage. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error.
2214
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:13:00 -
[73] - Quote
HowDidThatTaste wrote:Keep the straife speed but fix the turn speed of the hmg or increase its damage.
But the AR will not like this |
martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec
Orion Empire
239
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:14:00 -
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I don't feel much of a benefit in strafe speed being a heavy. Just a forgotten adjustment to increase our turn speed accordingly.
I do love the game feel now...but I am still a slow and fat mofo, not feeling like this uber future soldier you are describing Laurent.
I can't strafe **** and can't track **** in CQC either. |
HowDidThatTaste
Internal Error.
2958
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:21:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Keep the straife speed but fix the turn speed of the hmg or increase its damage. But the AR will not like this
Who cares! they have several more choices to adapt from we have one. AR's just think this game is only about them. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error.
2214
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:46:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Keep the straife speed but fix the turn speed of the hmg or increase its damage. But the AR will not like this Who cares! they have several more choices to adapt from we have one. AR's just think this game is only about them.
I starting to talk like a AR"oh no" |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1897
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:45:00 -
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It's broken. My heavy can strafe faster than it can move forward. |
Hunter Fencen
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
14
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:14:00 -
[78] - Quote
Thank god I play Crysis, now those are strafing speeds |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
503
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:26:00 -
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I was doing somersaults today, was awesome change! Keep it! |
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Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
454
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:36:00 -
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Could you maybe post strafe speed numbers that you've got in 1.2 and 1.1 then maybe we'd believe you Wolfman? Thank you! |
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
643
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:44:00 -
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CCP why do you lie? It is 2x faster than before because you couldn't double speed without using the kb+DS3 before. This is not normal and you should be ashamed a bug like this went into the game unknowingly.
I mean seriously? Strafing goes faster than going forward and people are moving like they are in a swimming pool?
Are you this desperate to become the laughing stock of FPS? |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
643
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:50:00 -
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Either you knew about this, and wants to put it into the game anyway so people can have fun going sideways;
or you didn't know about this at all and truly think this is "normal".
If it is the first case, you are ridiculous, my god, I truly cannot fathom your "CCP logic" seriously.
If it is the second case, you need to fire every single one of your QA testers. And possible devs too. Your team's incompetence is truly shining through, blinding every eye looking into this direction. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
759
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:23:00 -
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I blame the language barrier. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:34:00 -
[84] - Quote
Alldin Kan wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:Only the scrubs with no gun game at all are complaining. Please tell them to **** off.
Yeah, it hurts when your SP can't carry you. But in the end it all comes down to getting good.
So, GG. All I need is the aiming to get fixed and I'll be happy with my FLAYLOCK pistol.
Fixed it for you.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
543
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:50:00 -
[85] - Quote
CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi guys,
There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)
CCP Wolfman
I know you say that there were no changes, but since 1.2 I've been seeing a lot of people that look like they are vibrating at high speed (almost creating trails).
I wouldn't call that increased performance. |
Recognizer XIII
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:12:00 -
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I ran away from a shotgunner in a scout suit who found my sniping spot by sprinting away sideways whilst he chased me by running forwards ... i got away easily .. if that isn;t a problem that needs fixing then your seriously mistaken ... |
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