It's not really the amount of stamina that you have that determines the amount of jumping you can do. I have noticed that for every subsequent jump twice the amount of stamina is used. On my minmatar logi I can get 4 jumps out of my stamina before it's completely empty.

My G-Scout can only pull off 3 (sometimes I'm unlucky and am only able to jump twice).

I do think that a solid number would be best. Cardiacs would be much more valuable and would diversify the frames a little more.

CCp, make us full-fledged scouts.
I infiltrate all the time in skirmish, gets the ol' ticker pumping.
Scouts can win wars.

That's odd although I do have a cardiac regulator on it as well. Scouts should be able to out jump other suits(1 more than assaults, 2 more than heavies).

I think Assaults should get a second equip slot at Proto levels, or lvl 4 operation, and the Sentinel gets 1 equip slot at advanced lvl. Logibros shouldn't be the only ones packing multiple equipment slots.

The equip slots were removed because it made logis less (not at all) important. For the mediums and heavies the equipment slots are perfect. Multiple equipment slots should be the strict domain of specific specialisations.

With regards to the rest of this thread, here are my thoughts:
- An extra equipment slot would be great for some players but not so useful for others (until the cloak comes out); personally atm I'd rather have extra mod slots than equipment.
- Gallente scouts should get 1 extra low slot at STD and ADV and 1 extra high at PRO with extra CPU/PG to make it usable. (not sure about min because don't run that)
- Speed should be buffed 0.5m/s (sprint and movement)
- Scan range should be 20m

An extra equipment slot could perhaps be added for another light suit specialisation or the cloak module could be inbuilt to scout suits when it is released.

An extra slot would not allow scouts to become speedy assaults because even with an extra ~70hp, you're still really squishy and the assaults will still mow you down.

Speed and scan range are really the base changes that must be done to enable scouts to perform their proper scoutly duties in whatever battlefield role they choose.

And of course, whatever has been done to stamina needs undoing and jump cost should be a static amount rather than percentage based, which is ridiculous. There should be no complaints about bunny hopping because we're scouts and should be able to hop around nimbly to avoid fire!

Scouts need a buff! Thank you Kagehoshi for lobbying for us : )

We don't need more health, we should be rebalanced on other factors like speed and stealth and equipment.

I would like to point out that we are a little short on CPU and PG at the moment, lemme show you.

At lv 4 skills:
Minnie assault gets 400 CPU and 80 PG
Minnie logi gets 488 CPU and 98PG
Minnie scout gets 288 CPU 75PG

What if the additional Equipment slot was limited selection, so it could only be a Scanner?
That way -all- scouts could easily fit a scanner to... scout.
Also, they'd have one extra piece of equipment to do whatever they want with and be tactically flexible.

Good thread.

1) If we want more CPU/PG and slots to do more 'scouty' stuff - why not just a big reduction to electronics and Biotics module CPU/pg usage? Even better, 'recon' equipment (uplinks, scanners and REs) - especially for that extra equip slot.

Actually help scouts fulfil a role, rather than simply allow it the option of fitting more tank and gank. Something assaults are already good at no?

2) More speed - especially base movement would be good as well, but as far as I'm aware, speed was previously reduced due to technical limitations, so I'm not holding out for too much on that front.

3) Ideally, scout lv5 dampening lv5 and a single complex mod should be enough for a scout to evade 15db scanners as well.

4) Also - if heavies can be the only frame type to get a heavy weapon slot - maybe scouts/lights could get a 'recon' slot or some such for specific light equipment/mods/weapons/grenades/whatever.

5) There's that and stuff like no/reduced fall damage, stamina friendly vaulting capabilities etc.

I always say don't buff scouts, just make scouts the best at that role (cause I don't feel we should nerf logis just to achieve that).

This is somewhat similar to an idea Oswald had, but how about this:

New Dropsuit slot type

Active Module Slot
- Modules that go into this slot work like active modules on vehicles (Active time & cooldown time)
- Used to fit Cloaking, E-War, etc.
- Each suit is given one (except Sentinels)
- Scouts get more
--- Amount each scout suit has is dependent on the suit's tier and race
- Scouts get an additional Class Bonus that decreases fitting costs of all active modules (Could out right replace if scouts also got a ~25% decrease to scan profile)
- Scouts get an additional Racial Bonus that improves the performance of an active module relevant to their race
--- For example, Gallente Scout could get a bonus that decreases Cloaking cooldown time

This would change scouts so that we would be the most versatile in being anti-logis but not denying the other suits access to our abilities.

Edit: Cleaned up proposal

**Solution updated**

[Gallente light vs medium comparison]
Gallente medium:
7 module slots
Gallente medium
330 HP: 120 shield / 210 armor
20 shield recharge rate / 7 s shield recharge delay
5 movement / 7 sprint

Gallente light:
5 module slots
200: 70 armor / 130 armor
40 shield recharge rage / 4 s shield recharge delay
5.5 movement / 7.6 sprint

[Minmatar light vs medium comparison]
Minmatar medium:
7 module slots
Minmatar medium
285 HP: 150 shield / 135 armor
18 shield recharge rate / 6 s shield recharge delay
5.3 movement / 7.4 sprint

Minmatar light:
5 module slots
170 HP: 100 shield / 70 armor
40 shield recharge rate / 4 s shield recharge delay
5.7 movement / 7.9 sprint

[Conclusion]

Gallente light loses 80 HP, loses 2 module slots / gains 0.5 movement speed, gains 0.6 sprint speed, gains better and faster shield recharge: not worth it IMO.

Minmatar ight loses 115 HP, loses 2 module slots / gains 0.4 movement speed, gains 0.5 sprint speed, and gains better and faster shield recharge.

The problem is that light suits sacrifice too much: think the HP loss is a fair tradeoff for the speed and shield recharging, but the loss of slots is too much. With the better hit detection, light suits are going extinct because they are way too easy to kill.

Give basic lights one or two more module slots would make them more able to compete; either through HP tanking for combat light suits, or through increasing their natural abilities like speed. Extra PG/CPU should be added to be able to fit modules in those slots.

Instead of giving scouts more module slots, give them an extra equipment slot, more PG/CPU to use it, and extra movement and sprint speed. This would allow them to carry things like drop uplinks, and also carry more scouty stuff like the active scanner, or cloak field equipment (when it comes). This will help differentiate the specialization from its basic frame.

EDIT: Undo the stamina nerf also

EDIT 2: 1.4 makes the need for a buff even more apparent.