what are the stats?

Soooo... Nerf armor tanks is the gist of what I'm reading.

Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people.

No CCP needs to actually think. Nerfing armor tanks will just create a bigger AV vs tanks imbalance. They need to start from square 1 with vehicles and rebuild modules from the ground up. And then balance AV according to that. And hopefully as they are doing that they are balancing shield vs armor giving each their plus side so if you take advantage of it you can beat the other tank type.

Pilot suits - 10% module cooldown rate per level

Gallente - +2% shield / armor extender efficacy per level
Minmatar - +5% turret damage module efficiency per level

Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people.

pilot suit has the bonus of giving you a ground game option....doens't seem like a pure sp.

if you so choose you'll be able to fit it up and bring use it on the battle field outside of the vehicles.

@ DUST Fiend

Who says we're getting ADV and PROTO tanks?

So you think they'll never ever add them in? Vehicle users will be stuck with standard vehicles forever?

Actually, you're probably right. Same goes for racial suits.

Pilot suits - 10% module cooldown rate per level

Gallente - +2% shield / armor extender efficacy per level
Minmatar - +5% turret damage module efficiency per level

Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people.

Seems like an incredibly reasonable SP investment to me. Were I specced into vehicles, I'd be salivating right now, not bi**hing.

So you think they'll never ever add them in? Vehicle users will be stuck with standard vehicles forever?

Actually, you're probably right. Same goes for racial suits.

How the **** does CCP expect to balance **** when they go ahead and change the paradigm so completely and so randomly? LMFAO your choices matter

You're really actually worried that now you won't be able to solo tanks with cheap AV grenades. LOL

-10% cooldown per level sounds OP as hell. Would make the best tankers invincible to all but coordinated double OBs.

The racial bonuses seem fine to me.

As for the complaint about SP: It'll take 1,517,280 SP to get Pilot Suit Level IV. Because of the way suit bonuses work, you'd be able to fit milita modules to the cheapest, most basic Pilot suit and still get -40% cooldown and your pick of +8% HP or +20% damage.

Seems like an incredibly reasonable SP investment to me. Were I specced into vehicles, I'd be salivating right now, not bi**hing.

Only some of the worst tank drivers in this game get solo'd by AV grenades :/

I'm sorry you suck but think you're good, it's ok bro

Pisses me off twice as bad because I WAS a vehicle pilot but literally had to respec for my mental health >_<

Even if I still was flying, I'd STILL be pissed at this, because it's obnoxious. Like....lmfao....this ******* game will kill games for me, I swear....

Haha, I suppose I can understand that to a point, but I'm a Heavy and therefore prone to masochism as well.

You're annoyed because it's yet another thing to skill into? I honestly wish I had the same problem. Commando isn't 1/1000 as interesting looking on paper, and it sounds like even Rank III of Pilot Suits (820k SP to get from scratch) is still gravy.

It may be just because I'm a fattie, but I'm hungry for gravy.

I'm not annoyed that they have something else to skill into, I'm annoyed that they can skill into something that completely alters the entire vehicle vs AV paradigm that's already shifty at best...

It is a SP sink that is not needed. sorry most tankers are ending up dropping 16m plus if they want fully speced out enforcer set ups. Once other tanks come into play meaning just to get Speced into one races tanks tank drivers will be dropping 24m plus SP to fill out a single race. So yes needing to drop another 2.7m SP into a pilot suit just to be a top dog tanker is a bad mechanic. And on top of that it creates more balancing isues what CCP is already having trouble with.

I'm the DUST masochist, I went AR Heavy because scouts are ****** and I had to skill out of dropships because I almost broke my controller in frustration. I went from loving dust to HATING it with Uprising, I'm only sort of getting over that, but it's not going so well.

I'm not annoyed that they have something else to skill into, I'm annoyed that they can skill into something that completely alters the entire vehicle vs AV paradigm that's already shifty at best...

You mean the easiest forms of AV being so devastating to the best type of tank, armor?

It is a SP sink that is not needed. sorry most tankers are ending up dropping 16m plus if they want fully speced out enforcer set ups. Once other tanks come into play meaning just to get Speced into one races tanks tank drivers will be dropping 24m plus SP to fill out a single race. So yes needing to drop another 2.7m SP into a pilot suit just to be a top dog tanker is a bad mechanic. And on top of that it creates more balancing isues what CCP is already having trouble with.

Swarms are primarily effective when you break cover, which you should be skeptical of doing when not pushing with your infantry anyways. AV grenades need to lose their seek and maybe a tiny bit of damage, otherwise, roll with a squad and communicate with your gunners. They're one of your first lines of defense against AV grenades. Believe it or not, while the HAV can be a solo death machine, it's actually supposed to require a little bit of communication to get the most out of it.

AV nades require you to get up close and personal. If you let them throw all 3 before you or your gunners kill them then that's on you, not them.

Is your problem with the SP it will take to unlock pilot suits? The 190k SP it takes to get Gallente Light Dropsuits 3 to unlock the pilot suits? Because any SP put into the actual pilot suit skill is just like any SP put into the Vehicle tree because the pilot suit buffs vehicles and vehicles only.

Or do you just not want any more skills to improve vehicles with?

Why does everybody fully believe we only ever run solo without mics?

Assume a brain. Then assume a competent tank crew. Then, we can get to specifics.

Because, you know, it's wrong not to be able to solo vehicles with militia gear.

Wait, what did that have to do with AV?

What's your reading comprehension?

If that's the case then I don't see why you have so much issues with AV grenades, since you should be in communication with your squad and gunners, and should be advancing on the enemy with a buffer of infantry between you and them.

Apparently better than yours :/

Don't listen to the words of SPRK he has yet to play in PC. He's a random that doesn't have an important opinion on much of anything.

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My usual squad is me, another tanker, a sniper, and various infantry levels. Why should I listen to an infantryman about how to run a tank operation?

LOL

I was better than average when I was in school.

You're still pissed off that tanks will be more difficult to destroy when we get the pilot suit. Like I asked before... is it because they'll be harder to solo?

Is your problem with the SP it will take to unlock pilot suits? The 190k SP it takes to get Gallente Light Dropsuits 3 to unlock the pilot suits? Because any SP put into the actual pilot suit skill is just like any SP put into the Vehicle tree because the pilot suit buffs vehicles and vehicles only.

Or do you just not want any more skills to improve vehicles with?

No, it's because they won't die, and only bad players will manage to lose them.

This will also create a MASSIVE gap between newer and even mid range vehicle pilots vs "vets"

No option exists in the game currently that creates a gap like this. Sharpshooter used to, and was promptly and rightly removed.

The real question is why do you have such trouble operating HAVs as is, and why do you need such a massive buff just to function?

You're a ****** that nobody likes, posting in a thread about a suit that you're not going to spec into, which further enhances a field you have no desire to specialize in. So, why are you here and why are you talking about me? Why is my name in your mouth?