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Caeli SineDeo wrote:

Disturbingly Bored wrote:

TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:

Void Echo wrote:

what are the stats?

Pilot suits - 10% module cooldown rate per level

Gallente - +2% shield / armor extender efficacy per level
Minmatar - +5% turret damage module efficiency per level

Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people.

-10% cooldown per level sounds OP as hell. Would make the best tankers invincible to all but coordinated double OBs.

The racial bonuses seem fine to me.

As for the complaint about SP: It'll take 1,517,280 SP to get Pilot Suit Level IV. Because of the way suit bonuses work, you'd be able to fit milita modules to the cheapest, most basic Pilot suit and still get -40% cooldown and your pick of +8% HP or +20% damage.

Seems like an incredibly reasonable SP investment to me. Were I specced into vehicles, I'd be salivating right now, not bi**hing.

It is a SP sink that is not needed. sorry most tankers are ending up dropping 16m plus if they want fully speced out enforcer set ups. Once other tanks come into play meaning just to get Speced into one races tanks tank drivers will be dropping 24m plus SP to fill out a single race. So yes needing to drop another 2.7m SP into a pilot suit just to be a top dog tanker is a bad mechanic. And on top of that it creates more balancing isues what CCP is already having trouble with.

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Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 598	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:21:00 - [1] - Quote Ahhh CCP, FIrst off pilot suits are another SP sink for vehicle players who already have one of the biggest SP sinking careers in the game. CCP wants more balanced among vehicles but they are building a suit we are forced to Spec into if we want to play on even playing grounds with others. Not only will it effect the balance skill wise meaning only high SP players rule the tank field. It will also create tons of balancing issues through the vehicle game play. CCP is already having enough trouble balancing the way it is with vehicles. This will just add more issues for them try to solve. I forsee this hurting vehicle players in the long run and taking CCP longer to fix any issues. As Dark Cloud pointed out what the hell are you thinking with the gallentee pilot suit. I rarely agree with him but wow just give me another fun thing to make it easier to handle shield tanks. Can not wait I for see the caldari making modules last 50% longer while giving cpu and PG boost. The suit itself will not overly help balance armor tanks against swarms and AV nades. But it will surely make me godmode vs any shield tank.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1295	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:23:00 - [2] - Quote Soooo... Nerf armor tanks is the gist of what I'm reading.
SENATOR KODOS Absentee AFK Regiment 179	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:23:00 - [3] - Quote lol tanks in Dust
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:23:00 - [4] - Quote what are the stats?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4264	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:24:00 - [5] - Quote Balance: something that exists in games that aren't DUST 514
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1295	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:26:00 - [6] - Quote Void Echo wrote: what are the stats? Pilot suits - 10% module cooldown rate per level Gallente - +2% shield / armor extender efficacy per level Minmatar - +5% turret damage module efficiency per level Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 598	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:26:00 - [7] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Soooo... Nerf armor tanks is the gist of what I'm reading. No CCP needs to actually think. Nerfing armor tanks will just create a bigger AV vs tanks imbalance. They need to start from square 1 with vehicles and rebuild modules from the ground up. And then balance AV according to that. And hopefully as they are doing that they are balancing shield vs armor giving each their plus side so if you take advantage of it you can beat the other tank type.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4264	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:28:00 - [8] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people. Yet how could you lack the foresight to see what kind of a terrible problem this will create with advanced and proto vehicles.... This game, I tell you. It has nothing to do with YOUR decisions, only CCPs. This game is too damn funny, I tell you
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1295	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:28:00 - [9] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Soooo... Nerf armor tanks is the gist of what I'm reading. No CCP needs to actually think. Nerfing armor tanks will just create a bigger AV vs tanks imbalance. They need to start from square 1 with vehicles and rebuild modules from the ground up. And then balance AV according to that. And hopefully as they are doing that they are balancing shield vs armor giving each their plus side so if you take advantage of it you can beat the other tank type. IIRC, CCP Eterne (correct me if I'm wrong with the name) stated in a post that the near-future roadmap does include tank rebalancing so that they do have a role with / against infantry. Please don't ask for source. I don't have it, nor do I feel like looking for it. It was a bullet-point list of what the short term (6 month) roadmap is, and vehicle balancing was on that list. @ DUST Fiend Who says we're getting ADV and PROTO tanks?
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:30:00 - [10] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Void Echo wrote: what are the stats? Pilot suits - 10% module cooldown rate per level Gallente - +2% shield / armor extender efficacy per level Minmatar - +5% turret damage module efficiency per level Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people. omg.... I nearly fainted at the sight of these heavenly stats..... I WANT MY PILOT SUIT NOW.

calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 401	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:31:00 - [11] - Quote pilot suit has the bonus of giving you a ground game option....doens't seem like a pure sp. if you so choose you'll be able to fit it up and bring use it on the battle field outside of the vehicles.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1295	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:33:00 - [12] - Quote calisk galern wrote: pilot suit has the bonus of giving you a ground game option....doens't seem like a pure sp. if you so choose you'll be able to fit it up and bring use it on the battle field outside of the vehicles. I'd hold off on that thought for now. Pilot suits are classed under Light suits, which aren't great for out-and-out combat, and we have no idea what the slot layout of this suit is yet.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4264	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:35:00 - [13] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: @ DUST Fiend Who says we're getting ADV and PROTO tanks? So you think they'll never ever add them in? Vehicle users will be stuck with standard vehicles forever? Actually, you're probably right. Same goes for racial suits. How the ** does CCP expect to balance ** when they go ahead and change the paradigm so completely and so randomly? LMFAO your choices matter
TEBOW BAGGINS Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 635	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:36:00 - [14] - Quote uprising has shown us to nail bite before each new "patch", this pilot suits going to cause a "sht storm" to borrow the words of seamie shmoove. it will either be totally worthless or way OP and make a bunch of noobs in militia gear cry again for nerf.. i'm expecting more of the latter since most vets have already quit
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1295	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:38:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: @ DUST Fiend Who says we're getting ADV and PROTO tanks? So you think they'll never ever add them in? Vehicle users will be stuck with standard vehicles forever? Actually, you're probably right. Same goes for racial suits. I'm saying that they removed the Marauder class for "rebalancing", and right now we have standard variants of every vehicle. As it stands right now, I see them having a regular vehicle (Gunnlogi) that branches off into specializations (Enforcer, Marauder, Destroyer). To me, this isn't a bad way to go. Almost works like the Eve Online Tiericide iterations they're doing with all of their ships.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 372	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:40:00 - [16] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Void Echo wrote: what are the stats? Pilot suits - 10% module cooldown rate per level Gallente - +2% shield / armor extender efficacy per level Minmatar - +5% turret damage module efficiency per level Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people. -10% cooldown per level sounds OP as hell. Would make the best tankers invincible to all but coordinated double OBs. The racial bonuses seem fine to me. As for the complaint about SP: It'll take 1,517,280 SP to get Pilot Suit Level IV. Because of the way suit bonuses work, you'd be able to fit milita modules to the cheapest, most basic Pilot suit and still get -40% cooldown and your pick of +8% HP or +20% damage. Seems like an incredibly reasonable SP investment to me. Were I specced into vehicles, I'd be salivating right now, not bi**hing.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4265	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:42:00 - [17] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Seems like an incredibly reasonable SP investment to me. Were I specced into vehicles, I'd be salivating right now, not bihing. Pisses me off twice as bad because I WAS a vehicle pilot but literally had to respec for my mental health >_< Even if I still was flying, I'd STILL be pissed at this, because it's obnoxious. Like....lmfao....this ***** game will kill games for me, I swear....
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:45:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: @ DUST Fiend Who says we're getting ADV and PROTO tanks? So you think they'll never ever add them in? Vehicle users will be stuck with standard vehicles forever? Actually, you're probably right. Same goes for racial suits. How the ** does CCP expect to balance ** when they go ahead and change the paradigm so completely and so randomly? LMFAO your choices matter You're really actually worried that now you won't be able to solo tanks with cheap AV grenades. LOL
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4265	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:47:00 - [19] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You're really actually worried that now you won't be able to solo tanks with cheap AV grenades. LOL Only some of the worst tank drivers in this game get solo'd by AV grenades :/ I'm sorry you suck but think you're good, it's ok bro
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 598	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:47:00 - [20] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Void Echo wrote: what are the stats? Pilot suits - 10% module cooldown rate per level Gallente - +2% shield / armor extender efficacy per level Minmatar - +5% turret damage module efficiency per level Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people. -10% cooldown per level sounds OP as hell. Would make the best tankers invincible to all but coordinated double OBs. The racial bonuses seem fine to me. As for the complaint about SP: It'll take 1,517,280 SP to get Pilot Suit Level IV. Because of the way suit bonuses work, you'd be able to fit milita modules to the cheapest, most basic Pilot suit and still get -40% cooldown and your pick of +8% HP or +20% damage. Seems like an incredibly reasonable SP investment to me. Were I specced into vehicles, I'd be salivating right now, not bi**hing. It is a SP sink that is not needed. sorry most tankers are ending up dropping 16m plus if they want fully speced out enforcer set ups. Once other tanks come into play meaning just to get Speced into one races tanks tank drivers will be dropping 24m plus SP to fill out a single race. So yes needing to drop another 2.7m SP into a pilot suit just to be a top dog tanker is a bad mechanic. And on top of that it creates more balancing isues what CCP is already having trouble with.

Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:50:00 - [21] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You're really actually worried that now you won't be able to solo tanks with cheap AV grenades. LOL Only some of the worst tank drivers in this game get solo'd by AV grenades :/ I'm sorry you suck but think you're good, it's ok bro Doesn't matter if you're Takahiro or me; apparently you've been on the receiving end of AV grenades, so you should know damn well how stupidly effective they can be. If you're ignoring previous experience while tanking, then I think you're a damn idiot.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 373	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:50:00 - [22] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pisses me off twice as bad because I WAS a vehicle pilot but literally had to respec for my mental health >_< Even if I still was flying, I'd STILL be pissed at this, because it's obnoxious. Like....lmfao....this ******* game will kill games for me, I swear.... Haha, I suppose I can understand that to a point, but I'm a Heavy and therefore prone to masochism as well. You're annoyed because it's yet another thing to skill into? I honestly wish I had the same problem. Commando isn't 1/1000 as interesting looking on paper, and it sounds like even Rank III of Pilot Suits (820k SP to get from scratch) is still gravy. It may be just because I'm a fattie, but I'm hungry for gravy.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4266	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:52:00 - [23] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Haha, I suppose I can understand that to a point, but I'm a Heavy and therefore prone to masochism as well. You're annoyed because it's yet another thing to skill into? I honestly wish I had the same problem. Commando isn't 1/1000 as interesting looking on paper, and it sounds like even Rank III of Pilot Suits (820k SP to get from scratch) is still gravy. It may be just because I'm a fattie, but I'm hungry for gravy. I'm the DUST masochist, I went AR Heavy because scouts are ****** and I had to skill out of dropships because I almost broke my controller in frustration. I went from loving dust to HATING it with Uprising, I'm only sort of getting over that, but it's not going so well. I'm not annoyed that they have something else to skill into, I'm annoyed that they can skill into something that completely alters the entire vehicle vs AV paradigm that's already shifty at best...
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 373	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:54:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm not annoyed that they have something else to skill into, I'm annoyed that they can skill into something that completely alters the entire vehicle vs AV paradigm that's already shifty at best... Ah. That sir, I can agree with.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:54:00 - [25] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Void Echo wrote: what are the stats? Pilot suits - 10% module cooldown rate per level Gallente - +2% shield / armor extender efficacy per level Minmatar - +5% turret damage module efficiency per level Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people. -10% cooldown per level sounds OP as hell. Would make the best tankers invincible to all but coordinated double OBs. The racial bonuses seem fine to me. As for the complaint about SP: It'll take 1,517,280 SP to get Pilot Suit Level IV. Because of the way suit bonuses work, you'd be able to fit milita modules to the cheapest, most basic Pilot suit and still get -40% cooldown and your pick of +8% HP or +20% damage. Seems like an incredibly reasonable SP investment to me. Were I specced into vehicles, I'd be salivating right now, not bi**hing. It is a SP sink that is not needed. sorry most tankers are ending up dropping 16m plus if they want fully speced out enforcer set ups. Once other tanks come into play meaning just to get Speced into one races tanks tank drivers will be dropping 24m plus SP to fill out a single race. So yes needing to drop another 2.7m SP into a pilot suit just to be a top dog tanker is a bad mechanic. And on top of that it creates more balancing isues what CCP is already having trouble with. But we really don't care about the enforcer. It's literally useless, as the best way to tank now is by rail, and neither racial enforcer gets a bonus to rail. Caldari gets a bonus to missiles, and Gallente gets a bonus to blasters. Why have to go up close to use a blaster when PRO AV grenades are so easy to get? It literally makes no sense. On top of that, rails and blasters get a natural bonus against shields. To top it all off, the last week they're doing that competition, you get a Falchion and a blaster. LOL They don't know what they're doing regarding vehicles.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:55:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Haha, I suppose I can understand that to a point, but I'm a Heavy and therefore prone to masochism as well. You're annoyed because it's yet another thing to skill into? I honestly wish I had the same problem. Commando isn't 1/1000 as interesting looking on paper, and it sounds like even Rank III of Pilot Suits (820k SP to get from scratch) is still gravy. It may be just because I'm a fattie, but I'm hungry for gravy. I'm the DUST masochist, I went AR Heavy because scouts are ****** and I had to skill out of dropships because I almost broke my controller in frustration. I went from loving dust to HATING it with Uprising, I'm only sort of getting over that, but it's not going so well. I'm not annoyed that they have something else to skill into, I'm annoyed that they can skill into something that completely alters the entire vehicle vs AV paradigm that's already shifty at best... You mean the easiest forms of AV being so devastating to the best type of tank, armor?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4266	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:00:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You mean the easiest forms of AV being so devastating to the best type of tank, armor? Swarms are primarily effective when you break cover, which you should be skeptical of doing when not pushing with your infantry anyways. AV grenades need to lose their seek and maybe a tiny bit of damage, otherwise, roll with a squad and communicate with your gunners. They're one of your first lines of defense against AV grenades. Believe it or not, while the HAV can be a solo death machine, it's actually supposed to require a little bit of communication to get the most out of it. AV nades require you to get up close and personal. If you let them throw all 3 before you or your gunners kill them then that's on you, not them.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 64	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:04:00 - [28] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: It is a SP sink that is not needed. sorry most tankers are ending up dropping 16m plus if they want fully speced out enforcer set ups. Once other tanks come into play meaning just to get Speced into one races tanks tank drivers will be dropping 24m plus SP to fill out a single race. So yes needing to drop another 2.7m SP into a pilot suit just to be a top dog tanker is a bad mechanic. And on top of that it creates more balancing isues what CCP is already having trouble with. Is your problem with the SP it will take to unlock pilot suits? The 190k SP it takes to get Gallente Light Dropsuits 3 to unlock the pilot suits? Because any SP put into the actual pilot suit skill is just like any SP put into the Vehicle tree because the pilot suit buffs vehicles and vehicles only. Or do you just not want any more skills to improve vehicles with?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:07:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You mean the easiest forms of AV being so devastating to the best type of tank, armor? Swarms are primarily effective when you break cover, which you should be skeptical of doing when not pushing with your infantry anyways. AV grenades need to lose their seek and maybe a tiny bit of damage, otherwise, roll with a squad and communicate with your gunners. They're one of your first lines of defense against AV grenades. Believe it or not, while the HAV can be a solo death machine, it's actually supposed to require a little bit of communication to get the most out of it. AV nades require you to get up close and personal. If you let them throw all 3 before you or your gunners kill them then that's on you, not them. Why does everybody fully believe we only ever run solo without mics? Assume a brain. Then assume a competent tank crew. Then, we can get to specifics.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:09:00 - [30] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: It is a SP sink that is not needed. sorry most tankers are ending up dropping 16m plus if they want fully speced out enforcer set ups. Once other tanks come into play meaning just to get Speced into one races tanks tank drivers will be dropping 24m plus SP to fill out a single race. So yes needing to drop another 2.7m SP into a pilot suit just to be a top dog tanker is a bad mechanic. And on top of that it creates more balancing isues what CCP is already having trouble with. Is your problem with the SP it will take to unlock pilot suits? The 190k SP it takes to get Gallente Light Dropsuits 3 to unlock the pilot suits? Because any SP put into the actual pilot suit skill is just like any SP put into the Vehicle tree because the pilot suit buffs vehicles and vehicles only. Or do you just not want any more skills to improve vehicles with? Because, you know, it's wrong not to be able to solo vehicles with militia gear.



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