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Posted - 2013.07.03 00:24:00 -
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Balance: something that exists in games that aren't DUST 514
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Posted - 2013.07.03 00:28:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Tbh, this should help quell the "GIB ME PROTO TANKZ NAO" people.
Yet how could you lack the foresight to see what kind of a terrible problem this will create with advanced and proto vehicles....
This game, I tell you.
It has nothing to do with YOUR decisions, only CCPs.
This game is too damn funny, I tell you  |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 00:35:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:@ DUST Fiend
Who says we're getting ADV and PROTO tanks?
So you think they'll never ever add them in? Vehicle users will be stuck with standard vehicles forever?
Actually, you're probably right. Same goes for racial suits.
How the **** does CCP expect to balance **** when they go ahead and change the paradigm so completely and so randomly? LMFAO your choices matter |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 00:42:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Seems like an incredibly reasonable SP investment to me. Were I specced into vehicles, I'd be salivating right now, not bi**hing.
Pisses me off twice as bad because I WAS a vehicle pilot but literally had to respec for my mental health >_<
Even if I still was flying, I'd STILL be pissed at this, because it's obnoxious. Like....lmfao....this ******* game will kill games for me, I swear....
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Posted - 2013.07.03 00:47:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:You're really actually worried that now you won't be able to solo tanks with cheap AV grenades. LOL
Only some of the worst tank drivers in this game get solo'd by AV grenades :/
I'm sorry you suck but think you're good, it's ok bro
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Posted - 2013.07.03 00:52:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Haha, I suppose I can understand that to a point, but I'm a Heavy and therefore prone to masochism as well.
You're annoyed because it's yet another thing to skill into? I honestly wish I had the same problem. Commando isn't 1/1000 as interesting looking on paper, and it sounds like even Rank III of Pilot Suits (820k SP to get from scratch) is still gravy.
It may be just because I'm a fattie, but I'm hungry for gravy.
I'm the DUST masochist, I went AR Heavy because scouts are ****** and I had to skill out of dropships because I almost broke my controller in frustration. I went from loving dust to HATING it with Uprising, I'm only sort of getting over that, but it's not going so well.
I'm not annoyed that they have something else to skill into, I'm annoyed that they can skill into something that completely alters the entire vehicle vs AV paradigm that's already shifty at best... |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:00:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:You mean the easiest forms of AV being so devastating to the best type of tank, armor?
Swarms are primarily effective when you break cover, which you should be skeptical of doing when not pushing with your infantry anyways. AV grenades need to lose their seek and maybe a tiny bit of damage, otherwise, roll with a squad and communicate with your gunners. They're one of your first lines of defense against AV grenades. Believe it or not, while the HAV can be a solo death machine, it's actually supposed to require a little bit of communication to get the most out of it.
AV nades require you to get up close and personal. If you let them throw all 3 before you or your gunners kill them then that's on you, not them. |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:12:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Why does everybody fully believe we only ever run solo without mics?
Assume a brain. Then assume a competent tank crew. Then, we can get to specifics.
If that's the case then I don't see why you have so much issues with AV grenades, since you should be in communication with your squad and gunners, and should be advancing on the enemy with a buffer of infantry between you and them.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:19:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:What's your reading comprehension?
Apparently better than yours :/ |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:23:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:My usual squad is me, another tanker, a sniper, and various infantry levels. Why should I listen to an infantryman about how to run a tank operation?
Because tanks advance with infantry?
That's, you know, kind of how they work? Well, it won't be if they get this absurdity. They'll be right back to solo KDR machines that require little skill but lots of SP to operate. Armor tanks will literally never die because they can just shrug off all kinds of AV with dual reps at 50% CD, pull around cover, recall.
Tanks advance with infantry because believe it or not, they're actually support vehicles. Infantry supports tanks by creating a buffer between them and the enemy, and tanks support infantry by providing mobile cover and forcing AV from the enemy team.
This is all incredible basic stuff that applies to the paradigm as a whole, not just how it plays out in DUST. |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:27:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:You're still pissed off that tanks will be more difficult to destroy when we get the pilot suit. Like I asked before... is it because they'll be harder to solo?
No, it's because they won't die, and only bad players will manage to lose them.
This will also create a MASSIVE gap between newer and even mid range vehicle pilots vs "vets"
No option exists in the game currently that creates a gap like this. Sharpshooter used to, and was promptly and rightly removed.
The real question is why do you have such trouble operating HAVs as is, and why do you need such a massive buff just to function? |
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