ARs and heavy suits are ok. but i specc'd into them and it only proves my point. infact your post here only proves my point. if the only way to compete is to do what everyone else does, then its OP, or every thing is UP.

My post proves what? I was asking the question because I very rarely see a heavy sporting an AR. Why would that be is the AR is so powerful? Or are we talking about PROTO AR?

i just finished playing for 3 hours (to thuroughly test out the patch and HMG) with a squad and every match we encountered caldari logisitics with over 1000 EHP.

i fought one guy in a caldari assault suit (or logi i dnt quit remember but it was proto) who had 588 shield and 417 armor.
i faced advanced caldari suits with 780ehp. my heavy suit only has 466 and 425 shield/armor respectively. i dnt put plates because the penalties are far too great.


A. problems with the HMG:
extremely low damage, and high inaccuracy

solution:
damage per shot and total DPS. the base damage must be increased to AT MINIMUM SMG damage per shot (25+), if not at max assault rifle damage per shot (34+). this gun isnt doing enough damage at its optimal range, i am still being out gunned by ARs, and SRs. in close range im beat by everything and at long range too.
A buff even to 34 damage per shot is balanced by the HMGs:

1. range
2. dispersion
3. reload speed
4. over heating
5. recoil

external balancing factors are:

1. all suits increased movement speed,
2. other suits ability to disengage at anytime. (explained below)



B. problems with heavy suit:

the slow movement speed, turn speed, and extremely limited slots makes this suit ineffective against all but milita gear even at the proto level. enemies can easily engage and disengage the heavy at anytime regardless of what weapon he is using. making the suit a liability to the team rather than an asset.

solution:
1. increase turn speed to that of all other suits. add more high and low slots to be on par with the assault suit of the same race, or 1 less than the logistics suit of the same race.
2. give the suit a 25% base resistance to damage with an increase via leveling up the heavy suit (basic,sentinel, commando, etc) to a max of 35-45% resistance to small arms fire.


this is balanced the fact that other suits have an extreme advantage in movement speed, jump height and over all mobility. and since other suits can reach the same EHP or greater than that of a heavy without sacrificing speed. the heavy should be able to counter act this with greater defense, and turning speed. inaddition to a better slot layout allowing for a more versitly soldier.

^^seriously, have you tried hitting people with this wacky aimming system using an HMG. on top of that i have to put my sensitivety up to 10 to get any turn on this thing, and the fact that movement speed was increased makes hitting people near impossible.

remember that 500 shield is resistant to bullet projectiles, and stile recover shwile being shot at. yes, if i shot the shield tankers shield the recharge timer starts after the first round hits, by bunny hoping and two step strafing, considering that they recharge 25 hp per second, and i do only 18 damage per shot, they can effectiely heal back at a rate higher than i am damaging.


people look at the paper numbers "oh proto hmg does 660 dps.. herp derp", but when all the factors are lined up its pitiful.

a GEK AR with just the blanket 10% does 490.9 dps. that only requires 170,000 SP. in less than 3days you can get a weapon that damage coparable to an HMG. in 2 seconds you've done 982 damage. so you heavy survies 1 second longer than your average troop if neither move. but because other units are more mobile, the heavy suit actually dies faster.

if the ehp where raised too high the heavy suit would be OP. but the damage increase and resistance i proposed are the only ways (without nerfing everything else) to make the heavy a usible suit.

^^this could work too. ultimatly however it is fixed the HMG must be good at taking/supressing out infantry when equiped with an HMG.

We've tried hitting things with most every gun in the game (ok, I haven't tried the plasma cannon). Everyone has the same wacky aiming system and the enemies don't run any slower for anyone else. I use the GEK, but not when enemies get close because despite the really epic sounding numbers you posted, it is very difficult to hit with in close. I get most of my CQC kills with my STD SMG sidearm. Actually, I can do a lot more damage to heavies with it than I can my AR if I can get close. I guess it's OP?

Well I think the HMG should do 100/100, even though it is a Minmatar weapon we really need it to do equal damage to armor and shields. If the above was set, which it will in the near future (hopefully under 5 years from now ), and the HMG did 100/100 there is no living soul brave enough to charge at you because they will be instantly dropped. It would require a really good scout with a MD or a shotgun, or at least two people to take down a heavy. Now imagine a heavy backed by a core focused repair tool that did not discriminate (shield and armor repair) he would be the ultimate wall.

Hey look, he's back, and still smoking crack.

Fixing armor tanking fixes heavies. It just happens that it fixes the amarr assault and logi as well as the gallente assault, logi and scout all at once.

Go effing figure. fixing the intended method of tanking makes the suits viable? Interesting concept.

this is all heavies need: Armor tanking which is as viable as shield tanking.

And ferroscale and reactive plates not to suck.

hmmm by thatlogic fixing the intended use for the HMG would make it work to... oh wait thats only what ive been saying for ******* 300 posts.

You cannot balance the HMG and heavy suit together, like the duvolle tac everything needs to be examined individually.

i just finished playing for 3 hours (to thuroughly test out the patch and HMG) with a squad and every match we encountered caldari logisitics with over 1000 EHP.

i fought one guy in a caldari assault suit (or logi i dnt quit remember but it was proto) who had 588 shield and 417 armor.
i faced advanced caldari suits with 780ehp. my heavy suit only has 466 and 425 shield/armor respectively. i dnt put plates because the penalties are far too great.


A. problems with the HMG:
extremely low damage, and high inaccuracy

solution:
damage per shot and total DPS. the base damage must be increased to AT MINIMUM SMG damage per shot (25+), if not at max assault rifle damage per shot (34+). this gun isnt doing enough damage at its optimal range, i am still being out gunned by ARs, and SRs. in close range im beat by everything and at long range too.
A buff even to 34 damage per shot is balanced by the HMGs:

1. range
2. dispersion
3. reload speed
4. over heating
5. recoil

external balancing factors are:

1. all suits increased movement speed,
2. other suits ability to disengage at anytime. (explained below)



B. problems with heavy suit:

the slow movement speed, turn speed, and extremely limited slots makes this suit ineffective against all but milita gear even at the proto level. enemies can easily engage and disengage the heavy at anytime regardless of what weapon he is using. making the suit a liability to the team rather than an asset.

solution:
1. increase turn speed to that of all other suits. add more high and low slots to be on par with the assault suit of the same race, or 1 less than the logistics suit of the same race.
2. give the suit a 25% base resistance to damage with an increase via leveling up the heavy suit (basic,sentinel, commando, etc) to a max of 35-45% resistance to small arms fire.


this is balanced the fact that other suits have an extreme advantage in movement speed, jump height and over all mobility. and since other suits can reach the same EHP or greater than that of a heavy without sacrificing speed. the heavy should be able to counter act this with greater defense, and turning speed. inaddition to a better slot layout allowing for a more versitly soldier.

sorry but HMGs hit hard enough... heavy suits are buffed enough.... turning slow balances their incredible power.

on my alt which I just started I run heavies... a bp eon heavy suit with basic HMG and I murder mercs with it.


they are not...

heavies fortify a position they are defensive and they are amazing at that job.

also... you aren't running proto...anything proto will be tougher than your basic heavy suit by design... its supposed to be that way... get into a boundless suit and then see how you feel...

judging by your post you seem to think a heavy is a front line troop who charges into battle.

u use over 200round of an hmg just to kill a single player...


i was suggesting a slower rof to fix it..


but heavy suit is too weak for its true roles..

it needs a buff in base hp..

since meduim suits can get that amount of hp easily.

and the heavy suit needs a buff in overall damage resistance oh and mlt ars.

a full clip will bring a heavy with full shield and armor down to half armor.

thats if all rounds hit.


the heavy suit is to slow ppl jump around all over the place and focus fire on heavys..

im sure every1 yells at there position the second they r seen.

they r pursued relentlessly across the entire map.

and any gun will melt there shields and tear their armor really fast..


while scout suits can dogde nearly every bullet that come at them and assualt can dogde some of that fire too....

ppl swarm on heavies shooting them from all directions.

its really unfair not being able to shoot back when players can run around u so easily the only time heavies will kill.. narrows hall way with little cover or if the heavy sets up a kill zone area//


but they have to use more cover than any other suit since they r so slow.

and im sure there more to say but i cant think of it right now..

but they do always have to look both ways before crossing the road. they might get splattered by an lav...

honest fix for the heavy suit is to either fix the turn speed and add a slot giving the suit a total of four at basic 5 at advanced and 6 at proto and change the suit bonus to something to boost either damage, increase speed, or increase hit points because increase reload speed is useless when there is a skill for it

now the fix for the hmg is to just increase the effective range to 45m
or increase damage to mirror the smg
this is either or not both

my proto hmg still gets out gunned by adv ARs