Give the scouts higher base speed. also give them cloaking. this will make them more stealthy .

Scouts are not supposed to get seen. they are supposed to relay info back to the team

it is generally agreed that these 2 suits need some tweaks in order to balance out gameplay

I would say another equipment slot + a cpu/pg boost + a buff to move/sprint speed is what scouts need.

Why?

An extra equipment slot would allow me to do more scout-y things at once, like uplink + scanner or uplink + stealth (once it gets here)

The cpu/pg boost would be so that I could actually fit this new equipment on my already cpu/pg tight suit

The move/sprint speed boost would help move the scout away from being a weak assault. 0.5-0.6 m/s difference between our assault variants isn't much to talk about.
Edit: I'm not sure how much of a buff we need for speed, but it needs to be enough so that the two slowest scouts (Caldari and Amarr) are still quite a bit faster than any other suit's base speed.

Yes, but I don't think grenades and lowering our scan profile is the answer for scouts. I rarely every need more grenades than the single slot provides and scouts already have a low enough scan profile that only other scouts could detect us if passive scan worked.

As I said else where

In addition, we need more scout-y equipment, like stealth and some EW (It would be nice if they were scout only).

More grenades wouldn't really help my scoutiness.

Well, I don't really care anymore. 1.3 apparently has pilot suits.

most scouts also carry remote explosives as well they hack an objective and drop these nasty little treats and run off to another objective thats why and being able to carry those with lets say av grenades in case he runs into a vehicle or flux grenades to throw over a wall into a group of people whatevever another explosive slot allows a lot more versatitlity

And with the heavy, maybe a little more base HP would be good, just to make them a little more like they were over a year ago.

I agree with this guy if the heavies don't have resistance to concentrated small arms fire like it says in the description then give it more hp who ever doesn't like it can lump it I would rather do that than make the guy that wrote the description of a heavy a liar cos we all know there liars go

SCOUT
1.Give the scout one extra grenade slot so it can carry explosives and grenades or 2 different types of grenades. This gives the scout more options with his play style
2. Increase both the pg and cpu on all suits by 20 each
3.lower the base scan profile
3. AS of 1.3 increase speed

HEAVY
1.give them one extra slot on the high or low side depending on the racial variant (whenever they are released) which means 4 at basic 5 at advanced 6 at proto. this allows the heavy to increase either his survivability damage or speed which allows the heavy to be a little bit more diverse in thevway he defends
2. increase the turning speed for the heavy
3.Also increase base hp by 200
do not do anything to the medium frames just add these features to what the community feels are the forgotten classes of this game

SCOUT
1.Give the scout one extra grenade slot so it can carry explosives and grenades or 2 different types of grenades. This gives the scout more options with his play style
2. Increase both the pg and cpu on all suits by 20 each
3.lower the base scan profile
3. AS of 1.3 increase speed

HEAVY
1.give them one extra slot on the high or low side depending on the racial variant (whenever they are released) which means 4 at basic 5 at advanced 6 at proto. this allows the heavy to increase either his survivability damage or speed which allows the heavy to be a little bit more diverse in thevway he defends
2. increase the turning speed for the heavy
3.Also increase base hp by 200
do not do anything to the medium frames just add these features to what the community feels are the forgotten classes of this game

Cloaks are coming SOONtm. I expext the Gallente to be the best with them. Hopefully, I'll be able to put one on my pilot suit.....

SCOUT
1.Give the scout one extra grenade slot so it can carry explosives and grenades or 2 different types of grenades. This gives the scout more options with his play style
2. Increase both the pg and cpu on all suits by 20 each
3.lower the base scan profile
3. AS of 1.3 increase speed

HEAVY
1.give them one extra slot on the high or low side depending on the racial variant (whenever they are released) which means 4 at basic 5 at advanced 6 at proto. this allows the heavy to increase either his survivability damage or speed which allows the heavy to be a little bit more diverse in thevway he defends
2. increase the turning speed for the heavy
3.Also increase base hp by 200
do not do anything to the medium frames just add these features to what the community feels are the forgotten classes of this game

Some of your suggestion are valid. But all of them together just makes either suit probably OP.

Two grenade slot for scouts is just asking for trouble. Beside, grenades are tied to a button, you cant switch to it. So selecting the nade would require UI and control changes which isnt the fastest thing to do.

Increase CPU and PG, ok. But 20 each ? 20 CPU i get, but 20 PG is like HUGE. Base scan profile is already low and the spec bonus is making them dodge even active scanner afaik.

Increase speed is what would make the more sense considering its their main defense. But they're already fast as hell and hit detection may not like another buff.

I like the hacking speed bonus. Would make a fine specialization bonus associated to a base radar signature reduction.


Now for heavies, giving them any extra slot is a bad idea and i would stick with the base HP buff. Someone mentionned giving heavies a % reduction to fire arms damage. It could work as well but it's a lot more tricky to set up (been discussing it with wolfman). Best solution would be to change the sentinel bonus to a "+4% bonus to both armor and shield base HP per level"

Would help make sentinels actually interesting. And would reinforce the heavies defense.

As for turn speed, it makes sense the heavy is way slower to turn than another suit. But, i'd wait till they made their changes to the DS3 behavior before going down that road. See how it impacts the whole thing.

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Scout suits are designed primarily for snipers why would a sniper want 2 grenade slots ? Your asking for something that directly benefits you (im guessing you use a scout suit and either a flaylock or a shotgun) Scout suits need an extra equipment slot not an extra grenade slot

Any increase in a Heavys defence negates the increase of speed, you can;t give it 200 extra hp AND increase it's turning speed if anything you reduce its speed AND you can't give it an extra slot as well as everything else ... if CCP implemeted these suggestions Heavys would become extremely OP

Both your suggestions to these classes gives me the impression you want to make yourself stronger rather than balance the classes

Some of your suggestion are valid. But all of them together just makes either suit probably OP.

Two grenade slot for scouts is just asking for trouble. Beside, grenades are tied to a button, you cant switch to it. So selecting the nade would require UI and control changes which isnt the fastest thing to do.

Increase CPU and PG, ok. But 20 each ? 20 CPU i get, but 20 PG is like HUGE. Base scan profile is already low and the spec bonus is making them dodge even active scanner afaik.

Increase speed is what would make the more sense considering its their main defense. But they're already fast as hell and hit detection may not like another buff.

I like the hacking speed bonus. Would make a fine specialization bonus associated to a base radar signature reduction.


Now for heavies, giving them any extra slot is a bad idea and i would stick with the base HP buff. Someone mentionned giving heavies a % reduction to fire arms damage. It could work as well but it's a lot more tricky to set up (been discussing it with wolfman). Best solution would be to change the sentinel bonus to a "+4% bonus to both armor and shield base HP per level"

Would help make sentinels actually interesting. And would reinforce the heavies defense.

As for turn speed, it makes sense the heavy is way slower to turn than another suit. But, i'd wait till they made their changes to the DS3 behavior before going down that road. See how it impacts the whole thing.

See my thread on Movement Options.

Scouts benefit > Heavy Benefits.

More agility, less belly flopping.

For what I feel is the best method of buffing light suits (including scouts), please read this topic.

SCOUT
1.Give the scout one extra grenade slot so it can carry explosives and grenades or 2 different types of grenades. This gives the scout more options with his play style
edit: have been made aware that remote explosives are actually a part of equipment slots so either put Remote explosives and proximty mines in the grenade slot instead and give them 2 grenade slots or give the scout 2 equipment slots
2. Increase both the pg and cpu on all suits by 20 each
3.lower the base scan profile
3. AS of 1.3 increase speed

HEAVY
1.give them one extra slot on the high or low side depending on the racial variant (whenever they are released) which means 4 at basic 5 at advanced 6 at proto. this allows the heavy to increase either his survivability damage or speed which allows the heavy to be a little bit more diverse in thevway he defends
2. increase the turning speed for the heavy
3.Also increase base hp by 200
do not do anything to the medium frames just add these features to what the community feels are the forgotten classes of this game

Or you could stop insisting on using them against Assault suits expecting to go toe-to-toe with something outside your specialization range.

More specializations have already been listed out in name for both Light and Heavy frames. I'm sure there will be at least one or two Assault-equivalent Specs for those that want to do so.

as a heavy we are supposed guard/defend points right well because of level design people pot shot us outside of our range and when they get inside of our range they get close and we can't turn to keep up with them

Like I've said in other posts, I had one match where we were utterly destroyed in Skirmish due to 3 Sentinels and 1 Heavy with HMGs that held all the points inside the "city".

Heavies are crazy good at point defense if you work together.

CCP may not have to do anything to the scout or heavy if they'd lower the number of high/low slots all medium suits have. That may be an easier fix to balance the suits.

Or you could stop insisting on using them against Assault suits expecting to go toe-to-toe with something outside your specialization range.

More specializations have already been listed out in name for both Light and Heavy frames. I'm sure there will be at least one or two Assault-equivalent Specs for those that want to do so.

I primarily play heavies. Heavies are fine.

Beyond that the only heavy is an Amarr heavy, which means armor tanks (as you can tell by the amount of low slots we have.)

When they introduce shield tanking heavies and fix the fact armor tanks are underpowered we will be even MORE powerful. If we get buffed now we are setting ourselves up for a future nerf.

If you want to do anything to make heavies more effective, nerf flaylocks. I never realised how ridiculously OP those things were until I faced them in a fatsuit.

I think simply what do you feel is a tougher fight a heavy or a proto cal logi. I personally would fight a heavy any day they just aren't threatening. Hell the only thing I'm happier to see is a milita redberry.