In case you didn't notice

All that proves is that that player is exceptional, it says absolutely nothing on how the MD is balanced.

Unless you want argue that Regnyum being able to take out protosuits while in a militia suit means that militia gear is just as good as protogear



Yes, yes he is, someone give that man a beer

the MD is easy mose compared to them...

* Improved server to client performance of projectile based weaponry

EDIT: oops, wrong thread

EDIT: oops, wrong thread

Sure it is.
So you're going to deny that MDs are broken right now?



I'm glad CCP disagrees with you.

Now I'm curious

Just 1 question, do you believe it was OP in Chromosone?

Do me a favor and look up a guy named regular trooper and then tell me mass drivers are support or that they do not kill proto suits. This guy is a god with the mass driver.

No, not when I was able to get 5.0 move speed before movement speed was nerfed, and I could get 550 shields and I could strafe better and could be sufficient with my 2 equip slots. It was a good weapon.

It can be done with skill

Mind you that the men/women yall keep mentioning are the best at what they do.

Balancing around the best leaves the average guy wanting yes?

Could you imagine if the ar was balanced around the best assault guys?

Sniper?

Sr?

Smg?

Yall would throw a fit

Just because a few are godlike with a weapon doesn't mean it's balanced

Disregarding equip slots, you can still do that. Base speed is still 5.0, and you can still easily get 550 shields... I think, maybe just 500 idk.

Although we all know the Caldari type-2 was OP last build anyway, yes, yes it was, don't even deny it, it made the type-1 suit look like a joke.



And about this? You do know why the MDs(and all explosive projectiles) are broken at the moment right? It's not a matter of skill, it's about luck. Skill helps, but if luck's not on your side then too bad, your shots will miss, no matter how good you are with it.

If it was broken

If you'd like I can setup a battle between you and a MD user to demonstrate. Or if you'd like after I finish skilling hacking to 5 I'll get operation five and try my hand at killing you with it. I'm no great slayer, you'd proly own me right? Whoever wins get 25 mill isk to the best of 10 deaths.

It is broken, maybe not stats wise, but mechanics wise, it and all projectile based weapons are broken ATM. Plasma Cannon, Mass Driver, Forgeguns, Grenades, even Flaylocks, yes, I know, it's hard to believe that flaylocks could somehow get even more dangerous

Mind you that the men/women yall keep mentioning are the best at what they do.

Balancing around the best leaves the average guy wanting yes?

Could you imagine if the ar was balanced around the best assault guys?

Sniper?

Sr?

Smg?

Yall would throw a fit

Just because a few are godlike with a weapon doesn't mean it's balanced

No thanks, it's dangerous outside the MCC

Aww...I promise you'd win if it was broken. The point of this thread was someone posted that they can't kill proto suits with it. I have no problem conceding that it may be suffering from a projectile problem I was unaware of that CCP recognizes, beyond that I don't see it as a broken weapon incapable of owning people.

It is a difficult weapon to master due to arc and travel time so many believe it is more broke than it actually is, though it does have issues. I hope for his sake that they do improve it and he will be unstoppable, althought he already is close.

Ps. Never said balance around best just that it is able to kill proto and is not a support weapon. It is about hitting your target not hitting them with the blast radious.

Edit: if the sniper rifle was balanced around the average joe even the militia variant would one hit everyone.

I was frustrated when I mafe this thread yes,the fact remains that it is unbalanced.

Incapable of killing proto suits? No

A balanced weapon however it is not,doing well with it requires extra equipment something that should not be needed but should be there to make your job easier.

Do me a favor and look up a guy named regular trooper and then tell me mass drivers are support or that they do not kill proto suits. This guy is a god with the mass driver.

The explosion mechanic doesn't work correctly. This was evident last build and they didn't fix it. That doesn't mean the gun is broken. The gun isn't broken, it is a little bit weaker than it should be. They didn't need to nerf radius AND damage. Flux gernades make it work and I have ended up using them this build. They are an effective counter to scouts, and heavies. I've been over all of this. If you want to read a whole lot about the mass driver, do a search on my posts... It is like all I talk about.

I don't see many people using it in PC. Gloo gloo and dark cloud are all I can think of off the top of my head. It ain't easy, and the style you have to play to make it work isn't for everyone. You can't straight up people. It doesn't do enough damage to straight up people. Be creative and hope that they buff the mass driver when they give everyone else their range back. If they don't, THEN it will be 100% useless.

EDIT: Forgot RegTroop. He does a good job with it too

Also going to add that in a pure killing role, it is inferior to both Core Flaylocks and assault rifles of all varieties. It is a versatile weapon though.

I hate when people say "use a flux grenade", they imagine a scenario where the MD user is always within range of enemy to throw his flux grenade and always has those 3 flux grenades. /EDIT: Also...if you wearing lets say...a Cal Assault suit if you are just running advance nano hives to save PG and CPU you would be expending a MD round/s for a flux grenade, taking into account how far you throw a flux grenade you are trading off a long range shot for a short range target. It may not seem like much of a difference but it can still effect things in the long run depending on the suit/ While I just started using them again, I stll don't find them very great when I am standing on top of a roof camping a objective or whatnot I would rather rely on getting a lucky direct shot.

While it is true that the Scram. Rifle is good against shields...it still has the capacity to kill someone in a less amount of time than the MD. Arguably you could say that it is a support weapon that trades off it's killing power for the inclusion of the inherent AOE side effect of explosives, having the capacity to kill 2 enemies shield tanking while they stand together does not balance the weapon compared to other weapons that do not have that AOE effect...That all being said there is still room for increasing the radius to all the variants or just the Assault mass driver.