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Doc Noah wrote:

Ludvig Enraga wrote:

support for what? special explosion effects? If it does not kill what and how does it support? Is it a revival gun? does it should nanohives? How exactly does it support?

Who said it doesnt kill? It can kill, it can flush players out of corners and out of hiding/behind objects, it can hit multiple enemies at once, it creates a cloud of obscuring smoke, it has no tracer rounds, it can take out light vehicles, has no range limit but has a difficult learning curve. Its a support weapon in that it's not meant to be in the front lines. The reason why it got heavily nerfed was because it was damn effective at range (the way it was suppose to be used) and flushed people out or out right killed them if they didnt have a safe place to hide.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Also its ridiculous that you should have to use special grenades to supplement just to make a gun worth using.

Thats ignoring the fact that Locus grenades are weak against shields and very strong against armor whereas flux is the exact opposite. You apparently want the best of both worlds.

Maybe you dont know how weapon types work

Explosives are weak to shields, strong to armor. Unless you have a sidearm thats effective against shields (flaylock sort of) then I suggest a Flux Grenade. You can still take out shields if you have concentrated fire.

Flux for shields, MD for armor destruction.How is that hard to understand?

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 269	Posted - 2013.06.29 00:43:00 - [1] - Quote Don't kill proto suits......
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 404	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:02:00 - [2] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/slG5K2G.gif
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:12:00 - [3] - Quote Use a flux ffs, when will people "GET" that MD isnt meant to be a killer like the AR or HMG. Its a SUPPORT gun.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 264	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:15:00 - [4] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Use a flux ffs, when will people "GET" that MD isnt meant to be a killer like the AR or HMG. Its a SUPPORT gun. support for what? special explosion effects? If it does not kill what and how does it support? Is it a revival gun? does it should nanohives? How exactly does it support?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2046	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:28:00 - [5] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Doc Noah wrote: Use a flux ffs, when will people "GET" that MD isnt meant to be a killer like the AR or HMG. Its a SUPPORT gun. support for what? special explosion effects? If it does not kill what and how does it support? Is it a revival gun? does it should nanohives? How exactly does it support? It's an assist farmer
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2046	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:31:00 - [6] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: killer like the HMG. Does not compute... ironically, many people also claim that HMGs are support guns Support weapon = anything that's not an AR
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 474	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:32:00 - [7] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Use a flux ffs, when will people "GET" that MD isnt meant to be a killer like the AR or HMG. Its a SUPPORT gun. A grenade launcher isn't supposed to kill? And to the OP, CCP confirmed there's an issue. Enough of an issue that it can't be fixed with a hot fix or whatever they call it, the first attempt to fix it comes with 1.2.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 346	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:32:00 - [8] - Quote If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 270	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:34:00 - [9] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Use a flux ffs, when will people "GET" that MD isnt meant to be a killer like the AR or HMG. Its a SUPPORT gun. How silly of me I forgot that the live granades coming out of my weapon weren't supposed to kill the infantry I was aiming at ,nor be a deterrent to move into an area for fear of said granades, or to bombard a large group of hostiles to weaken their force and kill a few in preparation for an ambush. It exists only to make ar/sr kills easier and not to be a force on the battlefield. Silly sinboto what was I thinking. I guess I should just use an ar and fused granades like everyone else
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 270	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:39:00 - [10] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast. Why should I have to steal others kills? Why not be able to kill hostiles myself? Should I have to use another weapon if I shall want to be a force on the battlefield?

WhiteMage7322 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 90	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:42:00 - [11] - Quote Mass drivers are nothing more than potatoes smashers. I do like potatoes the same as the next person but if I want to be on top and have so much WP, then I am better off with an AR. Try hards=AR and for testing your luck=Mass Driver.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 474	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:46:00 - [12] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast. I'm pretty good with it. I'm running nearly a 3.0 KDR since they started tracking stats outside of ambush, but its really inconsistent. There are times when it's infuriating.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 346	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:49:00 - [13] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast. Why should I have to steal others kills? Why not be able to kill hostiles myself? Should I have to use another weapon if I shall want to be a force on the battlefield? Umm..kinda awkward cause you're all argumentative an stuff and I'm just here to tell you it is a super useful weapon. It's supportive it that it's an area denial weapon, with a couple nanohives at your feet you can effectively sustain a blockade at a choke point forever, grenades are unsustainable. You can lob shots onto building roofs to destroy uplinks, you can own murder taxi's. Dude flux/mass drivers can be amazing. Mr GlooGloo uses it and owns people 1v1 or even 1v3. flux massdriver, all of them dead. It's a viable weapon now and will be more useful still after the godlock pistol nerf destroys it's ability to lay down more dps than a mass driver. currently godlock beats out the mass driver cause dps and OP AoE damage.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 270	Posted - 2013.06.29 01:57:00 - [14] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast. Why should I have to steal others kills? Why not be able to kill hostiles myself? Should I have to use another weapon if I shall want to be a force on the battlefield? Umm..kinda awkward cause you're all argumentative an stuff and I'm just here to tell you it is a super useful weapon. It's supportive it that it's an area denial weapon, with a couple nanohives at your feet you can effectively sustain a blockade at a choke point forever, grenades are unsustainable. You can lob shots onto building roofs to destroy uplinks, you can own murder taxi's. Dude flux/mass drivers can be amazing. Mr GlooGloo uses it and owns people 1v1 or even 1v3. flux massdriver, all of them dead. It's a viable weapon now and will be more useful still after the godlock pistol nerf destroys it's ability to lay down more dps than a mass driver. currently godlock beats out the mass driver cause dps and OP AoE damage. My apologies I'm not angry at you. It's just the constant telling of what I have to have to go be effective. Flux Nanohives Be in a squadron Steal kills Aparently if I want to be effective on the battlefield I need to skill into/do these things or the prototype weapon I trained js useless. What do I have to do to get 20/0 with ar=equip exile assault rifle See where I'm going with this?
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 404	Posted - 2013.06.29 02:00:00 - [15] - Quote Because in a game where most SP comes from kills, and half the point is to kill the other guy, everyone just loves an "assist" weapon that takes up just as much room as a normal lethal weapon.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 271	Posted - 2013.06.29 02:02:00 - [16] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Because in a game where most SP comes from kills, and half the point is to kill the other guy, everyone just loves an "assist" weapon that takes up just as much room as a normal lethal weapon. Takes more room :P
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4610	Posted - 2013.06.29 02:22:00 - [17] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Doc Noah wrote: Use a flux ffs, when will people "GET" that MD isnt meant to be a killer like the AR or HMG. Its a SUPPORT gun. support for what? special explosion effects? If it does not kill what and how does it support? Is it a revival gun? does it should nanohives? How exactly does it support? Also its ridiculous that you should have to use special grenades to supplement just to make a gun worth using.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 272	Posted - 2013.06.29 02:52:00 - [18] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Doc Noah wrote: Use a flux ffs, when will people "GET" that MD isnt meant to be a killer like the AR or HMG. Its a SUPPORT gun. support for what? special explosion effects? If it does not kill what and how does it support? Is it a revival gun? does it should nanohives? How exactly does it support? Also its ridiculous that you should have to use special grenades to supplement just to make a gun worth using. This^
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2013.06.29 02:57:00 - [19] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: support for what? special explosion effects? If it does not kill what and how does it support? Is it a revival gun? does it should nanohives? How exactly does it support? Who said it doesnt kill? It can kill, it can flush players out of corners and out of hiding/behind objects, it can hit multiple enemies at once, it creates a cloud of obscuring smoke, it has no tracer rounds, it can take out light vehicles, has no range limit but has a difficult learning curve. Its a support weapon in that it's not meant to be in the front lines. The reason why it got heavily nerfed was because it was damn effective at range (the way it was suppose to be used) and flushed people out or out right killed them if they didnt have a safe place to hide. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Also its ridiculous that you should have to use special grenades to supplement just to make a gun worth using. Thats ignoring the fact that Locus grenades are weak against shields and very strong against armor whereas flux is the exact opposite. You apparently want the best of both worlds. Maybe you dont know how weapon types work Explosives are weak to shields, strong to armor. Unless you have a sidearm thats effective against shields (flaylock sort of) then I suggest a Flux Grenade. You can still take out shields if you have concentrated fire. Flux for shields, MD for armor destruction.How is that hard to understand?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4611	Posted - 2013.06.29 03:01:00 - [20] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: support for what? special explosion effects? If it does not kill what and how does it support? Is it a revival gun? does it should nanohives? How exactly does it support? Who said it doesnt kill? It can kill, it can flush players out of corners and out of hiding/behind objects, it can hit multiple enemies at once, it creates a cloud of obscuring smoke, it has no tracer rounds, it can take out light vehicles, has no range limit but has a difficult learning curve. Its a support weapon in that it's not meant to be in the front lines. The reason why it got heavily nerfed was because it was damn effective at range (the way it was suppose to be used) and flushed people out or out right killed them if they didnt have a safe place to hide. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Also its ridiculous that you should have to use special grenades to supplement just to make a gun worth using. Thats ignoring the fact that Locus grenades are weak against shields and very strong against armor whereas flux is the exact opposite. You apparently want the best of both worlds. Maybe you dont know how weapon types work Explosives are weak to shields, strong to armor. Unless you have a sidearm thats effective against shields (flaylock sort of) then I suggest a Flux Grenade. You can still take out shields if you have concentrated fire. Flux for shields, MD for armor destruction.How is that hard to understand? Scrambler rifles are strong against shields, and weak against armor, but I never felt that I need to use locus grenades or any other explosives for taking down armor as a supplement to make my scrambler worth using. The damage types and resistances are not the issue. Before Uprising the mass driver was a decent weapon, despite being weaker against shields.

McFurious TeamPlayers EoN. 155	Posted - 2013.06.29 03:01:00 - [21] - Quote It's bugged. CCP is working on it. Some of us still use it and do well but it's tough. For now, flux nades and damage mods are your best friends. (also, all the cool MD players hang out in chat channel: Massholes)
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 267	Posted - 2013.06.29 03:37:00 - [22] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast. Pardon my cinicism, but seeing how you are in Team Players, I would bet all those 23k adn 7.0 came from proto stomping noobs.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 347	Posted - 2013.06.29 03:43:00 - [23] - Quote I mean, the fact that an exceptional player is exceptional while using it proves it's effectiveness to me. I think it's fine. Sure you can kill with it, some enemies will be the paper to your rock (caldari logi's and caldari assaults and maybe minmatar assaults and heavies using shield extenders) cause you deal less damage to shields...but the fact is the flux just makes this combo uber decimating in the professionals hands shows me it doesn't need much, maybe a small small buff, but honestly I get killed by them if the aim is good because it has other advantages the ar doesn't on the wrong end of a mass driver and you can't see much, it actually creates dust that obstructs your view. O.o
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 267	Posted - 2013.06.29 03:44:00 - [24] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: support for what? special explosion effects? If it does not kill what and how does it support? Is it a revival gun? does it should nanohives? How exactly does it support? Who said it doesnt kill? It can kill, it can flush players out of corners and out of hiding/behind objects, it can hit multiple enemies at once, it creates a cloud of obscuring smoke, it has no tracer rounds, it can take out light vehicles, has no range limit but has a difficult learning curve. Its a support weapon in that it's not meant to be in the front lines. The reason why it got heavily nerfed was because it was damn effective at range (the way it was suppose to be used) and flushed people out or out right killed them if they didnt have a safe place to hide. I don't think MD is at present either an area of denial: too small an area that it covers with blasts now to deny much nor is able to flush anyone from anywhere: you will empty a full clip and your indirect damage is still not enough (after a full clip) to kill a decent fit logi. The other comment you made about: obscurring smoke - I don't get what you are talking about, i ve never seen any smoke curtains coming out of an MD.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 347	Posted - 2013.06.29 03:45:00 - [25] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast. Pardon my cinicism, but seeing how you are in Team Players, I would bet all those 23k adn 7.0 came from proto stomping noobs. Umm...he's in a 3 man corp currently, only 2 play....but that's not the point...even if you're protostomping noobs a 7.0 is something special. Name more than 50 people on dust who maintain that kdr protostomping noobs. The man is a beast, no matter the competition.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2013.06.29 04:42:00 - [26] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: I don't think MD is at present either an area of denial: too small an area that it covers with blasts now to deny much nor is able to flush anyone from anywhere: you will empty a full clip and your indirect damage is still not enough (after a full clip) to kill a decent fit logi. The other comment you made about: obscurring smoke - I don't get what you are talking about, i ve never seen any smoke curtains coming out of an MD. Depends on what you mean by "decent fit logi", are you talking about shield tanked caldari logi? If so then refer to my earlier post about explosives vs shield and the benefits of flux. The aoe isnt too bad right now, any more and you can completely miss and still hit which encroaches into noobtube territory. If you want more blast radius, see what they did with boundless MD and dont forget you get +25% blast radius As for the smoke screen, its not a blanket of smoke but slight visual obscurity that when combined with multiple MD grenades can certainly make aiming more difficult. Seems to be only up to neck height so if you're looking upwards you probably wont notice but if you're in level ground against the MD user, you'll probably see it better. I may be wrong but there might be a graphic bug where the smoke isnt displayed at all.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 268	Posted - 2013.06.29 04:46:00 - [27] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast. Pardon my cinicism, but seeing how you are in Team Players, I would bet all those 23k adn 7.0 came from proto stomping noobs. Umm...he's in a 3 man corp currently, only 2 play....but that's not the point...even if you're protostomping noobs a 7.0 is something special. Name more than 50 people on dust who maintain that kdr protostomping noobs. The man is a beast, no matter the competition. I thought the only reason to protostomp was to have a kdr of of at least 7. I am not gonna argue against that he is a beast or a god or a stud, I don't know who he is and I don't care. I am saying that kdr of 7 is possible with just about any weapon when proto stumping. So, it's a weak argument for why MD is a viable and balanced weapon.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4611	Posted - 2013.06.29 04:46:00 - [28] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Doc Noah wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Also its ridiculous that you should have to use special grenades to supplement just to make a gun worth using. Thats ignoring the fact that Locus grenades are weak against shields and very strong against armor whereas flux is the exact opposite. You apparently want the best of both worlds. Maybe you dont know how weapon types work Explosives are weak to shields, strong to armor. Unless you have a sidearm thats effective against shields (flaylock sort of) then I suggest a Flux Grenade. You can still take out shields if you have concentrated fire. Flux for shields, MD for armor destruction.How is that hard to understand? Scrambler rifles are strong against shields, and weak against armor, but I never felt that I need to use locus grenades or any other explosives for taking down armor as a supplement to make my scrambler worth using. The damage types and resistances are not the issue. Before Uprising the mass driver was a decent weapon, despite being weaker against shields. In case you didn't notice
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 347	Posted - 2013.06.29 04:58:00 - [29] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast. Pardon my cinicism, but seeing how you are in Team Players, I would bet all those 23k adn 7.0 came from proto stomping noobs. Umm...he's in a 3 man corp currently, only 2 play....but that's not the point...even if you're protostomping noobs a 7.0 is something special. Name more than 50 people on dust who maintain that kdr protostomping noobs. The man is a beast, no matter the competition. I thought the only reason to protostomp was to have a kdr of of at least 7. I am not gonna argue against that he is a beast or a god or a stud, I don't know who he is and I don't care. I am saying that kdr of 7 is possible with just about any weapon when proto stumping. So, it's a weak argument for why MD is a viable and balanced weapon. I respectfully disagree. the plasma cannon cannot get a kdr of seven, and if the MD was as busted as it is then obtaining a 7 KDR would be impossible. the lazer cannot get you a kdr of seven, and if the MD was as busted as it is then obtaining a 7 KDR would be impossible. Even some of the best pubstomping campers can't get a kdr of 7. Like I said, there are fewer than 50 people on dust that have a kdr of 7 or higher (that have more than 8k kills and actually play) and even fewer if you really consider that many of those people are tankers. It proves a lot...name one bad player that has that 7 or higher KDR and I will rescind.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2052	Posted - 2013.06.29 04:59:00 - [30] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: the fact that an exceptional player is exceptional while using it proves it's effectiveness to me. All that proves is that that player is exceptional, it says absolutely nothing on how the MD is balanced. Unless you want argue that Regnyum being able to take out protosuits while in a militia suit means that militia gear is just as good as protogear Quote: The man is a beast Yes, yes he is, someone give that man a beer and bacon!



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