Why should I have to steal others kills? Why not be able to kill hostiles myself? Should I have to use another weapon if I shall want to be a force on the battlefield?

Pardon my cinicism, but seeing how you are in Team Players, I would bet all those 23k adn 7.0 came from proto stomping noobs.

I thought the only reason to protostomp was to have a kdr of of at least 7. I am not gonna argue against that he is a beast or a god or a stud, I don't know who he is and I don't care. I am saying that kdr of 7 is possible with just about any weapon when proto stumping. So, it's a weak argument for why MD is a viable and balanced weapon.

In case you didn't notice

All that proves is that that player is exceptional, it says absolutely nothing on how the MD is balanced.

Unless you want argue that Regnyum being able to take out protosuits while in a militia suit means that militia gear is just as good as protogear



Yes, yes he is, someone give that man a beer

EDIT: oops, wrong thread

Sure it is.
So you're going to deny that MDs are broken right now?



I'm glad CCP disagrees with you.

Just 1 question, do you believe it was OP in Chromosone?

Mind you that the men/women yall keep mentioning are the best at what they do.

Balancing around the best leaves the average guy wanting yes?

Could you imagine if the ar was balanced around the best assault guys?

Sniper?

Sr?

Smg?

Yall would throw a fit

Just because a few are godlike with a weapon doesn't mean it's balanced

Disregarding equip slots, you can still do that. Base speed is still 5.0, and you can still easily get 550 shields... I think, maybe just 500 idk.

Although we all know the Caldari type-2 was OP last build anyway, yes, yes it was, don't even deny it, it made the type-1 suit look like a joke.



And about this? You do know why the MDs(and all explosive projectiles) are broken at the moment right? It's not a matter of skill, it's about luck. Skill helps, but if luck's not on your side then too bad, your shots will miss, no matter how good you are with it.

It is broken, maybe not stats wise, but mechanics wise, it and all projectile based weapons are broken ATM. Plasma Cannon, Mass Driver, Forgeguns, Grenades, even Flaylocks, yes, I know, it's hard to believe that flaylocks could somehow get even more dangerous

No thanks, it's dangerous outside the MCC

I was frustrated when I mafe this thread yes,the fact remains that it is unbalanced.

Incapable of killing proto suits? No

A balanced weapon however it is not,doing well with it requires extra equipment something that should not be needed but should be there to make your job easier.

The explosion mechanic doesn't work correctly. This was evident last build and they didn't fix it. That doesn't mean the gun is broken. The gun isn't broken, it is a little bit weaker than it should be. They didn't need to nerf radius AND damage. Flux gernades make it work and I have ended up using them this build. They are an effective counter to scouts, and heavies. I've been over all of this. If you want to read a whole lot about the mass driver, do a search on my posts... It is like all I talk about.

I don't see many people using it in PC. Gloo gloo and dark cloud are all I can think of off the top of my head. It ain't easy, and the style you have to play to make it work isn't for everyone. You can't straight up people. It doesn't do enough damage to straight up people. Be creative and hope that they buff the mass driver when they give everyone else their range back. If they don't, THEN it will be 100% useless.

EDIT: Forgot RegTroop. He does a good job with it too

Also going to add that in a pure killing role, it is inferior to both Core Flaylocks and assault rifles of all varieties. It is a versatile weapon though.

Oh come on. KDR is such a lame metric in this game. I wont be able to name anyone simply because I dont pay attention to KDR. KDR is something that protostomping corps use when they recruit and compare epeens inside the corp. It has zero relevance to the game play and is a poor correlate to the skill. I can't tell you how many times I ve seen players from negative feedback back out from pub games when they play solo on a losing side (even if their side does not lose but comes close) just to save their KDR status. Yes, it's true that a bad player won't get KDR of 7 no matter what. Beyond that anyone with average skill can get that KDR if they want it. In this game it's too easy to stack up proto equipment in your favor and then just carefully pick your fights. The reason why there are not more ppl with a high KDR is because actually few ppl care that much about it to try to maintain it. I am saying all of that to say that your argument about using one MD user maintaining a high KDR as an example to support you argument that MD is not a weak weapon is weak.

u dont know what your talking about.

The damage on the flaylock is as follows. 250 dmg for a direct hit and 230 dmg AOE (explosive radius dmg).

Actually yo
In Dust weapons that have direct dmg and splash dmg have both of those dmgs added together for a hit. IE mass driver for a direct hit does MASSIVE dmg because it has the direct dmg plus the AOE dmgs.

So 250 direct dmg and 230 splash ends up with 480 dmg from a direct hit. Now its considered an explosive so it does less dmg to shields. I believe explosive damage only does 80% against shields??? Correct me if I am wrong on that number. So direct hit on shields would be 384 dmg. But it does additional dmg to armor. Explosive dmg to armor is +25% which is 600 dmg for a direct hit. If you dont believe me you can go test it out yourself. Or your can even view the fan fest video showing the flaylock. You will notice on the fanfest video that the flaylock was 1 shotting heavies who had full armor but no shields. A heavy with no armor mods has 405 armor (now remember in fanfest everyone was fully lvled up so the heavy would have had the 25% bonus to armor which actually brings that amount to 506 armor hp). And you can clearly see a direct hit on at least 2 occasions killing the heavy in 1 shot.

Like I said I dont care if you believe me or not. I have the proof right in front of me. And I play regularly with Bonney who uses them and he was skeptical at first but after using it he mentioned that he noticed the same thing the dmg done by a direct hit is MUCH MUCH greater than the dmg done by splash alone. If you look at the numbers noted the difference of 20 damage is pretty small to be able to notice a huge difference between a direct hit and a hit by splash. BTW a direct hit from the flaylock will insta kill 99% of the scouts.