So the whole shtick with us here Mercenaries is that we are Immortal. EVE Capsuleers also use Clones to transfer themselves into new clones at the moment of death. When your pod is blown, your previous self sends the new you a mail saying something like "Well, I died. You better be more successful than I was." However, the thing with the Immortals is that they have a true consciousness transfer. To put it very quickly: EVE Capsuleers copy while Immortals literally move their 'soul' to another body.

So why aren't the Amarr using this as proof of their God and the soul? "We have known for years that it was simply biochemistry that made 'up' a brain. With the exact knowledge of it, we have created Clones. These Clones are not 'you'; they are an exact copy but are not 'you.' You are still dead."

"But the Empress has used this new technology to create true Immortals. Now think about that. Instant conscious transfer at the moment of death. This is no longer a duplicate of a person that was killed; this IS the person that was killed. Science cannot explain this. How can they? For with this technology, we have discovered the Soul that God has given to us all!"

The Amarr are pretty much "kneel before Zod" when it comes to the whole faith thing. Why wouldn't they be pushing that angle? Especially when she was pretty much saved by the evil Joves with this technology. Seems 'God' is really on their side.

Why did I write this up? Because my Ramen was taking longer than it should to heat up and I was bored.

Be well.

yep it's not a transfer, at least back when I played you would lose SP if you died and didn't back up your clone recently.

Its sad, I don't think its a soul transfer because god wouldn't want you to break the surly bounds of man and enter into immorality.

I believe the person in the pod or on the ground is dead, and you are merely preserving the image of someone.

Didn't someone in the books say something to the extent of "there is a little less of you each time you come back"?

Or am I thinking of "A song of ice and fire"?

Also the same reasoning that the "soul" is transferred can be used AGAINST the Amarr faith.

It isn't a soul per se, but science. If you can map a person's brain neuron for neuron accurately and then basically transfer that brain schematic perfectly into a clone NEURON FOR NEURON, that person theoretically should have the same memories, IE soul.

Memories are formed by the connections that your neurons make - keep those connections the same, and you preserve the memory.

So it isn't a soul, just fancy science which would destroy the Amarr Faith.

Realistically speaking.

It is NOT a transfering of conciousness and/or soul.

It would be the last recorded mental data that is transfered to the new clones brain.

Technically, the original person died a long time ago and the clone is just a new version of them, with a different "soul" taking its place.

In reality, this is actually very horrible to put people through.

If the cloning tech of Dust were to ever be real, there would be a very good reason why only one clone could be active. It would be the fact that mutiple clones of the same person/people could very likely lead to chaos.

Ah, but that is how it works for Capsuleers. It is not the 'exact' person. It is, as it was stated in the introduction, "an instant consciousness transfer, even at the moment of death."

It seems like they could leverage this. "You see, we had clones before. Exact neurochemistry made a clone. This isn't so. The clones are cooked before. When the Immortal dies, they transfer exact consciousness. How could you heathens not call this a Soul?"

Just wondering why the Amarr wouldn't run with it. They are the type of people that would say "the fact that you hate us is evidence of the Free Will God has given you; now submit to God's People."

Too deep, I'm here to blow people up!

I remember those days. Whenever I got podded it was followed by "****! I forgot to back up recently."

Say what? there is no consequences in Eve anymore for not keeping clone up to date?

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To have this discussion we would have to agree on what a soul is. I prefer to believe it is a holonic organ with which we experience our little subjective patch of the universe. Alternatively the universe itself seems to have a soul, by factoring in life in general, it would be able to observe itself, experience and remember.

Sshh, us nerds had this argument already over Star Trek. When you're teleported, you're basically destroyed in one location and a replica is built in another.
What I really want to know is: what the hell is my merc qtr clone doing while I'm deployed? Is he in a braindead stasis? Does he get a memory update after battles? And why's he in a suit?

It's a philosophical conversation about the nature of consciousness really.

If you were created 3 seconds ago, with a brain full of fake memories, how would you know?

Sshh, us nerds had this argument already over Star Trek. When you're teleported, you're basically destroyed in one location and a replica is built in another.
What I really want to know is: what the hell is my merc qtr clone doing while I'm deployed? Is he in a braindead stasis? Does he get a memory update after battles? And why's he in a suit?

It's a philosophical conversation about the nature of consciousness really.

If you were created 3 seconds ago, with a brain full of fake memories, how would you know?

I'm am thrilled to know that there are others out there who have thought about these things. I also came to the same POSSIBLE conclusion about tubeless teleportation.

About the merc qtr: Maybe they teleport (within the rules of the Eve universe) when in close proximity to certain areas, which could be used as an excuse to why we just phase into the battle field, when we are NOT spawning out of CRUs or Uplinks.

About the last question:

I don't think it would ultimately matter, as it is a new life, a new person, just with pieces of a previous personality. Treat them as you would anyone else.

I remember those days. Whenever I got podded it was followed by "****! I forgot to back up recently."

Ah, but that happens every second. At every moment, the arrangement of the particles in your body is being shuffled. You aren't the same person you were when you started reading this.

Let's ask the Cylons.

Only God can grant eternal life, not this pagan technology.

I remember one of my favorite quotes seen in an EVE bio. Don't know if he got it from somewhere else, though. "I am but the living memories of a man who died before me." Some pretty existential stuff there. All capsuleers and DUST mercs are copies, plain and simple.

For the religious angle, if God wants your soul tethered to only one body, that's how it's going to be, no matter how many times you copy the conciousness. God's going to take your soul when your birth body dies, and leave the souless abomination of your memory-carrying avatar to walk the galaxy. This is what the Amarr believe, and it's why clones and capsuleers are considered to be somewhat of an abomination. The new implant doesn't change that.