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Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:23:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:So the whole shtick with us here Mercenaries is that we are Immortal. EVE Capsuleers also use Clones to transfer themselves into new clones at the moment of death. When your pod is blown, your previous self sends the new you a mail saying something like "Well, I died. You better be more successful than I was." However, the thing with the Immortals is that they have a true consciousness transfer. To put it very quickly: EVE Capsuleers copy while Immortals literally move their 'soul' to another body.
So why aren't the Amarr using this as proof of their God and the soul? "We have known for years that it was simply biochemistry that made 'up' a brain. With the exact knowledge of it, we have created Clones. These Clones are not 'you'; they are an exact copy but are not 'you.' You are still dead."
"But the Empress has used this new technology to create true Immortals. Now think about that. Instant conscious transfer at the moment of death. This is no longer a duplicate of a person that was killed; this IS the person that was killed. Science cannot explain this. How can they? For with this technology, we have discovered the Soul that God has given to us all!"
The Amarr are pretty much "kneel before Zod" when it comes to the whole faith thing. Why wouldn't they be pushing that angle? Especially when she was pretty much saved by the evil Joves with this technology. Seems 'God' is really on their side.
Why did I write this up? Because my Ramen was taking longer than it should to heat up and I was bored.
Be well.
Read Templar One, they go into this sort of.
Also, Empress Jamyl isn't a believer in the Amarr faith but.........yeah just read Templar One. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:28:00 -
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Also the same reasoning that the "soul" is transferred can be used AGAINST the Amarr faith.
It isn't a soul per se, but science. If you can map a person's brain neuron for neuron accurately and then basically transfer that brain schematic perfectly into a clone NEURON FOR NEURON, that person theoretically should have the same memories, IE soul.
Memories are formed by the connections that your neurons make - keep those connections the same, and you preserve the memory.
So it isn't a soul, just fancy science which would destroy the Amarr Faith. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:46:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:yep it's not a transfer, at least back when I played you would lose SP if you died and didn't back up your clone recently.
I remember those days. Whenever I got podded it was followed by "****! I forgot to back up recently." |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:26:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Its sad, I don't think its a soul transfer because god wouldn't want you to break the surly bounds of man and enter into immorality.
I believe the person in the pod or on the ground is dead, and you are merely preserving the image of someone.
Didn't someone in the books say something to the extent of "there is a little less of you each time you come back"?
Or am I thinking of "A song of ice and fire"?
I believe Lears said something to that extent. Basically each time a capsuleer is killed and wakes up in a fresh new clone, it's just a snapshot of the man/woman they were at one time in the past and some information is lost along the way. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:32:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Also the same reasoning that the "soul" is transferred can be used AGAINST the Amarr faith.
It isn't a soul per se, but science. If you can map a person's brain neuron for neuron accurately and then basically transfer that brain schematic perfectly into a clone NEURON FOR NEURON, that person theoretically should have the same memories, IE soul.
Memories are formed by the connections that your neurons make - keep those connections the same, and you preserve the memory.
So it isn't a soul, just fancy science which would destroy the Amarr Faith. Ah, but that is how it works for Capsuleers. It is not the 'exact' person. It is, as it was stated in the introduction, "an instant consciousness transfer, even at the moment of death." It seems like they could leverage this. "You see, we had clones before. Exact neurochemistry made a clone. This isn't so. The clones are cooked before. When the Immortal dies, they transfer exact consciousness. How could you heathens not call this a Soul?" Just wondering why the Amarr wouldn't run with it. They are the type of people that would say "the fact that you hate us is evidence of the Free Will God has given you; now submit to God's People."
Having oxygenated blood and functioning organ systems supporting the brain and keeping it alive is what constitutes consciousness - not a soul.
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