DUST Search - "Consciousness Transfer" + Soul

Chunky Munkey wrote:

Dust Project 514 wrote:

Chunky Munkey wrote:

Sshh, us nerds had this argument already over Star Trek. When you're teleported, you're basically destroyed in one location and a replica is built in another.
What I really want to know is: what the hell is my merc qtr clone doing while I'm deployed? Is he in a braindead stasis? Does he get a memory update after battles? And why's he in a suit?

It's a philosophical conversation about the nature of consciousness really.

If you were created 3 seconds ago, with a brain full of fake memories, how would you know?

I'm am thrilled to know that there are others out there who have thought about these things. I also came to the same POSSIBLE conclusion about tubeless teleportation.

About the merc qtr: Maybe they teleport (within the rules of the Eve universe) when in close proximity to certain areas, which could be used as an excuse to why we just phase into the battle field, when we are NOT spawning out of CRUs or Uplinks.

About the last question:

I don't think it would ultimately matter, as it is a new life, a new person, just with pieces of a previous personality. Treat them as you would anyone else.

Ah, but that happens every second. At every moment, the arrangement of the particles in your body is being shuffled. You aren't the same person you were when you started reading this.


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Skihids Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 1667	Posted - 2013.06.28 19:38:00 - [1] - Quote It's a copy technology. Nothing is transferred except the state of all the neurons which is then used to "set" the clone brain as an exact duplicate. Consciousness is an emergent property of a complex system, not a tangible thing that can be separated from that system. There is no wisp that can be extracted and injected someplace else. The new clone "remembers" everything from the previous clone's past because it was programmed in, and he experiences himself as a continuation of the previous for the same reason. Likewise an outside observer couldn't tell the difference. The experience of the previous clone is quite a bit different however. The brain that is flash copied eventually ceases to function and that individual dies. That may be caused by the transfer technology, or a railgun slug to the head. When the underlying brain dies so does the consciousness it supported.
Skihids Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 1670	Posted - 2013.06.28 20:49:00 - [2] - Quote You are correct that hardware isn't enough, you also need the system state. The clone's brain is the hardware (and firmware if you want to get more specific) while the state of each neuron is the system state. Together they form a functioning system. I don't believe we know to what extent firmware (hard wiring of neurons) and the electrical state of each neuron are responsible for each function. It would be interesting to know how a person's consciousness would be affected by resetting te electrical state of every neuron at the same time.
Skihids Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 1670	Posted - 2013.06.28 21:37:00 - [3] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Sshh, us nerds had this argument already over Star Trek. When you're teleported, you're basically destroyed in one location and a replica is built in another. What I really want to know is: what the hell is my merc qtr clone doing while I'm deployed? Is he in a braindead stasis? Does he get a memory update after battles? And why's he in a suit? It's a philosophical conversation about the nature of consciousness really. If you were created 3 seconds ago, with a brain full of fake memories, how would you know? As the copy you wouldn't know. All your past memories would serve to convince you that you were a continuation of the original (rather than a seperate copy) and thus allow you to throw yourself into battle and certain death much easier. A truly philosophical merc wouldn't leave his cabin. A good way to judge if you would use the technology is this: I copy you exactly so there are two of you. I now shoot one of you so there is only one remaining. Nobody could tell that the duplication was made after one of you walked out of the room and I burned the other. Now, would it matter to you which one I shot?
Skihids Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 1670	Posted - 2013.06.28 21:58:00 - [4] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Sshh, us nerds had this argument already over Star Trek. When you're teleported, you're basically destroyed in one location and a replica is built in another. What I really want to know is: what the hell is my merc qtr clone doing while I'm deployed? Is he in a braindead stasis? Does he get a memory update after battles? And why's he in a suit? It's a philosophical conversation about the nature of consciousness really. If you were created 3 seconds ago, with a brain full of fake memories, how would you know? I'm am thrilled to know that there are others out there who have thought about these things. I also came to the same POSSIBLE conclusion about tubeless teleportation. About the merc qtr: Maybe they teleport (within the rules of the Eve universe) when in close proximity to certain areas, which could be used as an excuse to why we just phase into the battle field, when we are NOT spawning out of CRUs or Uplinks. About the last question: I don't think it would ultimately matter, as it is a new life, a new person, just with pieces of a previous personality. Treat them as you would anyone else. Ah, but that happens every second. At every moment, the arrangement of the particles in your body is being shuffled. You aren't the same person you were when you started reading this. Both you and your copy would begin to diverge immediately after he copy was made, though that could be considered inconsequential for the timeframe being discussed. So, would it matter to you (the original) which version I disposed of?
Skihids Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 1674	Posted - 2013.07.01 03:49:00 - [5] - Quote You die, but an exact copy is made which fools everyone including the copy itself. There is no consciousness or soul that is separate from the body, so there isn't anything you to transfer. You can make up stories about a soul though, and then you can declare it moves or not as you wish since it's your imagination. Anyone who really thought it over would come to that conclusion and not volunteer to become a DUST merc, so we can't be the brightest of New Eden.