Hostiles should be either massacred or their battles ignored to ensure their playing experience is ruined. Relentless metagaming should take place such that the conflict is as demoralizing and unfair as possible. [...] What matters is that our foe does not want to log into the game. We have taken out superior forces by ruining their gameplay to the point that they do not bother logging on. You can kill a hostile clone by shooting it, or by ensuring it never logs in in the first place.

Basically: every large block in Dust agrees to move to Oddelulf at the same time. Why Oddelulf? Because two of the largest blocks participating in it have districts there already -- and the 3rd can just put down some clone packs.

Ok, that's a valid point.

PC did what it said it would...
What we have now is an "end game" that has limited participation and public matches with no matchmaking structure.

This statement has merit. It feels like we are playing a game out of sequence. Like only playing the 2nd to last hour of play in a week long RPG and we are expected to care.
I can feel for the Hardcore players out there. Its like climbing to the top of a hill wondering whats next and finding...
Nothing.
To me the game feels purposeless, hollow, if you will.
I can bear the grinding and the skilling but it seems... without purpose.

This statement has merit. It feels like we are playing a game out of sequence. Like only playing the 2nd to last hour of play in a week long RPG and we are expected to care.
I can feel for the Hardcore players out there. Its like climbing to the top of a hill wondering whats next and finding...
Nothing.
To me the game feels purposeless, hollow, if you will.
I can bear the grinding and the skilling but it seems... without purpose.

Modified Mittens wrote:
Hostiles should be either massacred or their battles ignored to ensure their playing experience is ruined. Relentless metagaming should take place such that the conflict is as demoralizing and unfair as possible. [...] What matters is that our foe does not want to log into the game. We have taken out superior forces by ruining their gameplay to the point that they do not bother logging on. You can kill a hostile clone by shooting it, or by ensuring it never logs in in the first place.

There are no really worthy excuses. If you're from one of those two regions and you're out, you lost. That includes Negative Feedback in particular, since their opinions in this area are most rampant across the forums.

What matters is that our foe does not want to log into the game. We have taken out superior forces by ruining their gameplay to the point that they do not bother logging on. You can kill a hostile clone by shooting it, or by ensuring it never logs in in the first place.

IMPS metaed their way out of PC by spending themselves on Sver. Now they are basically dead to the game.

lol. you think NF is out because they spent all their money on SVER?
SVER was just an easy target.

The broken game mechanics of PC caused this game to be dead to the players of NF,
not the other way around.
NF will be back when this game gets its **** together.

PC is not a fail yet it only works for the usa and uk?

In other words PC is a fail.

Interesting read, and I agree with a lot of the ideas in this thread.

I do just want to point out that the bad frame rate people have been seeing is not based on the region you are in, although we are absolutely aware of network latency also being a challenge in resolving conflicts in one universe // one war.

We have some fixes coming for both the frame rate and some tuning to planetary conquest. There are also a lot of longer term design work going on right now on how to fix the kinks in the PC mechanics and how to fill the gap between instant battle and PC, especially for organized corps who just want to squad together for low commitment engagements.

Thanks for the feedback.

Respectfully... do you read the posts without generous titles too? Sorry... love the game, definitely appreciating recent improvement in communications.

Yeah we do, this one just happened to be the top thread today in GD.

Yeah we do, this one just happened to be the top thread today in GD.

Ok, that's a valid point.

PC did what it said it would, in and of itself, but the game is poorly wired together in other ways as well on top of the poor core mechanics - when we use that term I'm sure someone on the dev staff throws a coffee cup, but something feels off in the way the game behaves.

How may players actually had a chance to participate in PC? Why is there no small corp variant? there's no real motivation to better yourself in this game other than the ability to run better gear in the same 4 maps.

Honestly, I think things like matchmaking and core mechanics to pull and hold new players should have been given priority with PC taking a back seat while simple corp battles and challenges filled the void.. Sure the vets would have been bored, but we expected to be bored and burnt on launch.

What we have now is an "end game" that has limited participation and public matches with no matchmaking structure.

There is a small corp variant. It's called join an alliance and be a ringer for someone.

Hell you can do that as an entirely solo player, if you're competent. And the payout is substantially better than pub matches -- assuming you win.

The problem isn't that the small corps and solo players can't participate in PC. It's that they believe they cannot. In this particular case, ignorance and fear are the enemy. Not the game mechanics. Human nature is all there is to blame.

so, we lost? that's news to me.

i haven't seen many sver folks on as of late...

Drop the clone packs to 5 mil for a week and see what happens.

Interesting read, and I agree with a lot of the ideas in this thread.

I do just want to point out that the bad frame rate people have been seeing is not based on the region you are in, although we are absolutely aware of network latency also being a challenge in resolving conflicts in one universe // one war.

We have some fixes coming for both the frame rate and some tuning to planetary conquest. There are also a lot of longer term design work going on right now on how to fix the kinks in the PC mechanics and how to fill the gap between instant battle and PC, especially for organized corps who just want to squad together for low commitment engagements.

Thanks for the feedback.

I guess all his opponents showed up for battle.

Sitting in merc quarters making teams 30- 45 minutes. Waiting in war barge for opponents to show. Playing in an empty batlle for 10-30 minutes loads of fun.

Oh wait we have 15 more battles planned against that corp to take their planet/ hodings etc. We get to waste a lot of time after that team gives up. Just what we enjoy most waiting to play a game and no shows over and over.


Yea the mechanics are perfect!

Ok, that's a valid point.

PC did what it said it would, in and of itself, but the game is poorly wired together in other ways as well on top of the poor core mechanics - when we use that term I'm sure someone on the dev staff throws a coffee cup, but something feels off in the way the game behaves.

How may players actually had a chance to participate in PC? Why is there no small corp variant? there's no real motivation to better yourself in this game other than the ability to run better gear in the same 4 maps.

Honestly, I think things like matchmaking and core mechanics to pull and hold new players should have been given priority with PC taking a back seat while simple corp battles and challenges filled the void.. Sure the vets would have been bored, but we expected to be bored and burnt on launch.

What we have now is an "end game" that has limited participation and public matches with no matchmaking structure.

There is a small corp variant. It's called join an alliance and be a ringer for someone.

Hell you can do that as an entirely solo player, if you're competent. And the payout is substantially better than pub matches -- assuming you win.

The problem isn't that the small corps and solo players can't participate in PC. It's that they believe they cannot. In this particular case, ignorance and fear are the enemy. Not the game mechanics. Human nature is all there is to blame.

I haven't logged into these forums in 3 weeks or the game in 2 weeks and I don't miss either.

The community is fine imo. The game is NOT FUN TO PLAY.

Only reason I'm posting in this thread now is Telc linked it then took my son as hostage and this was the ransom.


CCP had a golden chance to do what other companies haven't done or been able to do... Link a PC game to a PS3 game and make both interactions meaningful.

Neither of these has happened. I would say CCP has tried to make DUST and EVE interaction paramount at the expense of CORE GAMEPLAY for DUST.

If you have an FPS that has bad movement, aiming, hit detection and framerate issues... is it really a shooter? Or is it more of a "point my weapon in the direction of the enemy and hope it registers" game?


I'm sorry CCP... I gave you a year of my gaming life to make this game good, you have failed repeatedly to keep my interest... sooo on to the next game and good luck. Listen to your playerbase next time (in closed beta), not just when players start quitting in droves.

LOL 16 v 16 PC has failed.

Give us 128 v 128 or PC will continue to fail.

The cost is prohibitive for new corps.

With 25 players the cost of taking a held district is tough (160-320 mil) if they turn around and lose it the kick in the nuts could destroy their corp.

Interesting read, and I agree with a lot of the ideas in this thread.

I do just want to point out that the bad frame rate people have been seeing is not based on the region you are in, although we are absolutely aware of network latency also being a challenge in resolving conflicts in one universe // one war.

We have some fixes coming for both the frame rate and some tuning to planetary conquest. There are also a lot of longer term design work going on right now on how to fix the kinks in the PC mechanics and how to fill the gap between instant battle and PC, especially for organized corps who just want to squad together for low commitment engagements.

Thanks for the feedback.

It has carried Eve for 10 years.

What parties have lag issues as a real excuse for pulling out of PC? Only those outside of the United States and perhaps the United Kingdom. Outside of those two regions PC matches started to look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyCPzd6bPCQ&feature=youtu.be . Inside the US in particular, though? There are no really worthy excuses. If you're from one of those two regions and you're out, you lost. That includes Negative Feedback in particular, since their opinions in this area are most rampant across the forums.

Absolute and utter nonsense.

Fixed it for you

Y'know, the reality is, that the people who don't have problems with PC are of course going to be the people who stick with it and keep playing. For them, it's hard to believe that it's unplayable for most other people, and they really don't want to have to admit that they aren't really as good at the game as they think they are. They don't want to admit that they own districts only because

1. Smart players see that PC has no value
2. Most good players can't or don't play the mode in the first place.

They desperately want to believe that they have that little colored hexagon because they are the smartest and best players in Dust 514, and when you point out that such isn't really the case, they freak out.

Of course, if I wasted a bunch of my time playing in PC, I'd probably want to defend my choice to do so as well. It's only natural.

Y'know, the reality is, that the people who don't have problems with PC are of course going to be the people who stick with it and keep playing. For them, it's hard to believe that it's unplayable for most other people, and they really don't want to have to admit that they aren't really as good at the game as they think they are. They don't want to admit that they own districts only because

1. Smart players see that PC has no value
2. Most good players can't or don't play the mode in the first place.

They desperately want to believe that they have that little colored hexagon because they are the smartest and best players in Dust 514, and when you point out that such isn't really the case, they freak out.

Of course, if I wasted a bunch of my time playing in PC, I'd probably want to defend my choice to do so as well. It's only natural.

Dude, I'm ROFL's PC coordinator.

We're also losing.

http://www.memedepot.com/uploads/1000/1148_1253230725640.jpg

I paid good money and time for my bittervet status. Sorry not going anywhere until I see results, either success against the odds or entertainingly catastrophic failure.

I'm not saying don't be a bittervet, I'm just saying you don't have to always take the absolutely worst view on everything. That said that seems to be an IMP thing, are you approaching a critical mass down there in NF?

Interesting read, and I agree with a lot of the ideas in this thread.

I do just want to point out that the bad frame rate people have been seeing is not based on the region you are in, although we are absolutely aware of network latency also being a challenge in resolving conflicts in one universe // one war.

We have some fixes coming for both the frame rate and some tuning to planetary conquest. There are also a lot of longer term design work going on right now on how to fix the kinks in the PC mechanics and how to fill the gap between instant battle and PC, especially for organized corps who just want to squad together for low commitment engagements.

Thanks for the feedback.

IMPS metaed their way out of PC by spending themselves on Sver. Now they are basically dead to the game.

If the intent of PC is to make it uber-meta land then at least in the IMPs case the exact opposite happened.

The Gents/Eon War on the other hand is almost completely lacking in meta...and everyone involved seems happy in the fights and all want to keep playing.

Also the fight club planet seems pretty lacking in meta....i think some people are involved though time zones make it a problem. I am assuming that is working out and people are enjoying themselves and want to keep playing.

We have some fixes coming for both the frame rate and some tuning to planetary conquest. There are also a lot of longer term design work going on right now on how to fix the kinks in the PC mechanics and how to fill the gap between instant battle and PC, especially for organized corps who just want to squad together for low commitment engagements.

Thanks for the feedback.

I started playing 7 months ago and stopped playing after 1 month .. I came back recently and started playing again to give it another chance and again im underwhelmed ... this game offers nothing to new players, who wants to spend 6months being stomped by vets to get to the next tier gear and then still get stomped ... It doesn;t give new players a chance and I know someone will say you should play more etc etc but no one will play a game they constantly lose in for such a long period of time .. matchmaking is appalling and the vets who make new characters to stomp in academy just turn even more potential players away .. i think all vets should be forced into PC to allow the newer players to play ppl of a similair gear and skill level so they can get better before they face the vets ... public matches need to be sp orientated eg if you have over 5m then you cannot take part in a game with ppl below 5m sp a sit is someone with 10m sp in a corp squad of other ppl with aroudn 10m so v new players with 500k sp is ridiculous, with how sp gains are restricted as well you spend 1 day gaining the weekly 200k sp and then don;t play for a week .. to actually be any use in PC your looking at 10 months of doing this without boosters to be of any use and when your at the start of that timescale it's disheartening and instead of being a fun game it becomes a task that simply isn;t rewarding .. if it was fun and equal then most people would be willing to stick around and get good but with the matches being so unbalanced no one will stick around for 10 months of getting owned, it's a shame because in fits and bursts i did enjoy the game but there are far too many flaws to keep me and a huge % of new players around

Rant full of non-true statements

Interesting read, and I agree with a lot of the ideas in this thread.

I do just want to point out that the bad frame rate people have been seeing is not based on the region you are in, although we are absolutely aware of network latency also being a challenge in resolving conflicts in one universe // one war.

We have some fixes coming for both the frame rate and some tuning to planetary conquest. There are also a lot of longer term design work going on right now on how to fix the kinks in the PC mechanics and how to fill the gap between instant battle and PC, especially for organized corps who just want to squad together for low commitment engagements.

Thanks for the feedback.

Yeah, good on you. Stick it to the man.

More of a rant full of opinions that I believe to be well founded. I don't get what could be true or non-true about it except for what I said in the first paragraph, which is indisputable fact.

Definition of EVEtarded. Just because EVE did it, therefore it must be good gameplay.

Edit:


**** the recruiter lied to me, maybe I should go enlist. No sneak attacks, 23 hour breaks between engagements. Promises not to wipe you out in one go.

TL:DR
Leither is full of **** trying to puff up and look impressive for taking something no one wanted.

No one kept **** from pre-open beta. No one was denied from open beta. Cry some more.

You should come to America and hop in a PC battle against SI. Every dev should.

They are the only ones I've had problems with the lag.

failed.

Actually we have been running performance tests with some corporations and these have been super valuable in tracking down where the framerate is going.

Glad we can help. This is the #1 problem in dust right now, in my opinion.

Thanks OP for showing me what kind of people left in PC.

What you don't get is you are the afterbirth of PC. No one wants you and no one wants what you have. PC did not and does not have anything worth fighting for and is really not worth the time of anyone with any decent skill to bother to play it.

If you want to spend your days being whats left of the guys playing the duke nukem forever of MMO's that's your call.

But just remember that your not tough because no ones coming and taking away your left over placenta.

No ones coming because no one wants it. Your a bug that is not even worth stepping on.

There is no mystery here, no hidden secret to why PC has become a complete daycare.

It's because the big boys went home after they slept with the teacher and realized she was not pretty enough to come back and take care of the baby or even go backdoor with.

Have fun playing with the fetus you sad sack.