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Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
121
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:27:00 -
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The facts are these,
Dust 514 has potential but has achieved very little of it. Only a fanboy would call it a AAA shooter in its current state. It has one gamemode, no real EvE connection, poor framerate, bad FPS mechanics and to top it all off its performance is so bad that constant disconnects and lag are the norm. A friend in a corp recently told me that he had never seen a PC game where atleast one person wasnt disconnected or forced to reset. Some overseas corps cant play PC at all. The games #1 selling point right now is that its free, not that its good.
I have gotten friends to play Dust and spend money under the premise that it would get better. Ive lost credibility with those people based on the state the game is in currently. No disrespect to the CPM and the few changes theyve gotten, but if they had any real power the game wouldnt be in this state. Consider the fact that I had a thread months ago about poor gameplay and none of them saw a problem with lav roadkill, as a matter of fact some even supported it https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70968
When communities stick together they can bring about change. Consider the Xbox 180 regarding their restrictive used game policy after E3. CCP needs a reality check in regards to Dust. We propose putting the game down as a community until changes are made and the game is playable. For those who want to still keep playing we are asking that you purchase no AUR until changes are made. Lets get some changes done,
/signed Prius Vecht |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
205
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:31:00 -
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glad someone finally did it. no friendly fire, prox or fixes to logis? no login from me.
tolen rosas |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
213
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:35:00 -
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Good 4U. Only a crazy person would play a game he or she doesn't like. |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
110
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:39:00 -
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I salute and thank you for your sacrifice.
And now excuse me, need to cap out two toons. |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
163
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:39:00 -
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i'm on board. and for the record, i like the games potential but the current state is ghastly.
Reiki Jubo |
Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
370
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:42:00 -
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this is very interesting and something we alluded to in our last piece about the waning patience level of many veteran players. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
234
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:43:00 -
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Bit early for this. You may want to try around November if people are starting to get their hands on the PS4. I think at this point you will get a more realistic idea of what people will actually do on a more long term basis.
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1345
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:44:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:The facts are these,
Continues to state opinions |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
205
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:48:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:The facts are these,
Continues to state opinions
ur serious?
so ur saying the game has: eve connection good framerate no lag gamemodes a good fps core and PC is playable?
get ur head out of your @ss. thats the blind fanboy in u talking |
Roofer Madness
Unkn0wn Killers
12
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:49:00 -
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This is just silly. I know the problems you mention are real problems and need to be addressed but you really think that the thing this brand new game needs is a boycott? Ridiculous. Just go play something else. It doesn't need to be a big dramatic statement. Some people like the game. Some people don't. No reason to ruin it for everyone. That's CCP's job. (kidding, kidding.) Just go play something else, let a few patches happen, and then come back to it later with a bunch of passive points to spend. I mean, it is free and everything. Pretty tempting, eh? |
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Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
223
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:53:00 -
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I dare you to have ballz... Terminate your chars to substantiate your threats at CCP...
*not signed* |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
843
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:58:00 -
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This is just another flavor of if you don't give me what I want I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue.
Don't worry, they'll start to breathe again if they manage to hold their breath long enough to lose consciousness anyway. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
739
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:59:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:I dare you to have ballz... Terminate your chars to substantiate your threats at CCP...
*not signed*
LOL, there you go.
Dust is actually pretty good, its not AAA, but its alot closer to AAA then most AA games. Just get a life dude. I've been playing some other games and check on Dust periodically, though I am always on the forums. CCP knows how they are doing, they can see it by how much $$ they make and how many people are playing.
They don't care if you sign a forum thread in which you won't back up your stance, most "I quit" threads are funny because I see the same person posting again next week. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:59:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:The facts are these, Dust 514 has potential but has achieved very little of it. Only a fanboy would call it a AAA shooter in its current state. It has one gamemode, no real EvE connection, poor framerate, bad FPS mechanics and to top it all off its performance is so bad that constant disconnects and lag are the norm. A friend in a corp recently told me that he had never seen a PC game where atleast one person wasnt disconnected or forced to reset. Some overseas corps cant play PC at all. The games #1 selling point right now is that its free, not that its good. I have gotten friends to play Dust and spend money under the premise that it would get better. Ive lost credibility with those people based on the state the game is in currently. No disrespect to the CPM and the few changes theyve gotten, but if they had any real power the game wouldnt be in this state. Consider the fact that I had a thread months ago about poor gameplay and none of them saw a problem with lav roadkill, as a matter of fact some even supported it https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70968When communities stick together they can bring about change. Consider the Xbox 180 regarding their restrictive used game policy after E3. CCP needs a reality check in regards to Dust. We propose putting the game down as a community until changes are made and the game is playable. For those who want to still keep playing we are asking that you purchase no AUR until changes are made. Lets get some changes done, /signed Prius Vecht
Better formatting and spelling than the rest of the Trolls in here. Still just another pointless thread though.
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Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
163
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:00:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:I dare you to have ballz... Terminate your chars to substantiate your threats at CCP...
*not signed*
why when he can leave the characters to gain passive? thats dumb
Burn it down I say. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1345
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:05:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:The facts are these,
Continues to state opinions ur serious? so ur saying the game has: eve connection good framerate no lag gamemodes a good fps core and PC is playable? get ur head out of your @ss. thats the blind fanboy in u talking
It has an eve connection
Some games i do have a good framerate and minimal lag, no game ever has no lag
It has gamemodes
PC is playable for me |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
551
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:09:00 -
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And yet my thread about low player count got locked. CCP will not listen to a forum rant about quiting.
However. CCP will listen to the servers telling them the player count is LOWER.
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Reefersmokintaz
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:09:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote: Only a fanboy would call it a AAA shooter in its current state.
I would NEVER call Dust a AAA shooter in its current state! How DARE you put words in my mouth! /s
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J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:18:00 -
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Meh. I don't like the current state of DUST - and I'll meowl about it until it's fixed - but that doesn't mean I'm not going to log in every patch to see how the changes affect the state of the game.
So yeah, leave; it might actually turn the forums into something constructive for the rest of us for once. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1117
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:23:00 -
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Lol @ burndust. Thats not gonna go anywhere. |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
844
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:27:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:And yet my thread about low player count got locked. CCP will not listen to a forum rant about quiting.
However. CCP will listen to the servers telling them the player count is LOWER.
I'm not sure what some folks thinks it means when they imagine CCP "listening" to us.
How many different voices and opinions do you think CCP has access to? Do you not imagine they have their own vision for the game too? Perhaps the types of things they look to us for are not the things that we are most apt to complain about?
The issue probably is not that CCP won't "listen" it is that they are a relatively large and distributed organization that cannot immediate jump on every idea and concept the moment it shows up in a forum. The fact they (reportedly) rearranged their priorities to put core gameplay issues on the front burner is definitely an act of listening.
There are lots of things that need improving. The way to get that to happen is probably not to gripe at everyone who is able to have fun in spite of the current issues. Most people who are able to have fun playing the game are not suggesting everything is okay and they are not ruining the game. They are simply willing to point out the issues constructively, from time to time, and then wait to see what happens.
Play, don't play, point out issues, don't, it's not such a big deal. This is a game. Relax. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
126
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:27:00 -
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Don't forget to send me your ISK. |
AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:32:00 -
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I'll return to the game once CCP gets bought out by a different investment holding private equity firm, who would invest a significant quantity of $ into its product.
The current firm who owns and direct CCP have no experience with games companies or the entertainment industries connected therein.
A games company should be led by entities who understand games, to state the obvious.
A fish rots from the head down, as they say in Iceland.
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Tyjus Vacca
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
20
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:35:00 -
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will play, wont spend a dime. Game is not AAA shooter. |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
215
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:40:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:And yet my thread about low player count got locked. CCP will not listen to a forum rant about quiting.
However. CCP will listen to the servers telling them the player count is LOWER.
Does CCP have to tell you it-¦s June aka summertime and ALL games are suffering from LOWER player count ??
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
480
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:45:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote:I'll return to the game once CCP gets bought out by a different investment holding private equity firm, who would invest a significant quantity of $ into its product.
The current firm who owns and direct CCP have no experience with games companies or the entertainment industries connected therein.
A games company should be led by entities who understand games, to state the obvious.
A fish rots from the head down, as they say in Iceland.
Wikipedia wrote:CCP hf or CCP Games (Crowd Control Productions) is an Icelandic video game developer and publisher, majority owned by the company's staff and founders, Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners. Source |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
844
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:48:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:AlleyKatPr0 wrote:I'll return to the game once CCP gets bought out by a different investment holding private equity firm, who would invest a significant quantity of $ into its product.
The current firm who owns and direct CCP have no experience with games companies or the entertainment industries connected therein.
A games company should be led by entities who understand games, to state the obvious.
A fish rots from the head down, as they say in Iceland.
Wikipedia wrote:CCP hf or CCP Games (Crowd Control Productions) is an Icelandic video game developer and publisher, majority owned by the company's staff and founders, Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners. Source
I know... talk about a misinformed dip****.
CCP is doing it's own thing... it is forging a path in a different direction than the mass gaming industry... and love it or hate it it's something you can respect. |
THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
135
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:49:00 -
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If you don't enjoy playing a game, don't play it. It's not rocket science. Now I need to get out of here before I catch some of the pandemic conditions farting around this place, namely QQing, idiotically playing games you don't enjoy and having retardedly unrealistic expectations. Go open the window and get some fresh air kid. |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
216
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:49:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote: A fish rots from the head down, as they say in Iceland.
aka "Fiskur rotnar fr+í haus og ni+¦ur"
Yeah.. We don-¦t say this here in Iceland.. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
267
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:55:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:The facts are these,
Continues to state opinions ur serious? so ur saying the game has: eve connection good framerate no lag gamemodes a good fps core and PC is playable? get ur head out of your @ss. thats the blind fanboy in u talking
Im just gonna point out that if you don't even bother trying to get to know the EVE players like some of the FPS guys don't, calling them no life neck beards and all of that....then of course there wont be a connection....that's pretty ******* simple. |
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Knightshade Belladonna
G.R.A.V.E
377
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:57:00 -
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/signed
for no aur purchases again, ever |
Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
113
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:14:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote:I'll return to the game once CCP gets bought out by a different investment holding private equity firm, who would invest a significant quantity of $ into its product.
sure just trow a lot of money into a good IP.. look at what happened with the star wars MMO.. lol $ is not always the solutions. actually I find quite interesting the strongly possible lack of $ coming in from Dust right now a better motivator for CCP to improve fast before "matchmaking" break because not enough players are online. |
Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
113
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:16:00 -
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I am also officially signing that I am not buying AUR for quite a while.. the "we will fix dropships "soon" from last fall..well it's summer now and you screwed me up.. I'm a tank now (taking down fool who are still flying in these broken unbalanced ships. |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
288
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:37:00 -
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As much as I hate to say it as a supporter, Dust hasnt gotten any AUR from me for months and won't for the foreseeable future.
Too many things are broken and the game doesnt have a functional tutorial. |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:09:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:And yet my thread about low player count got locked. CCP will not listen to a forum rant about quiting.
However. CCP will listen to the servers telling them the player count is LOWER.
You mean that thread in which you tried to use kindergarden math to solve a problem, but you didn't know how to do it.
You mean the thread in which you tried to get an average over a period of time and took 2 data points, of which you made 1 up? (100 people minimum, whut?).
Even if you didn't want to do a lot of 'complex' stuff using the graph's on eve-offline to calculate averages, you could've grabbed some more datapoints and work from there. Like take a datapoint every hour, ditch the highest and lowest point and divide by 22, it appeared to be too hard for you.
But since it appears you really have no clue on how that stuff works with no intent to improve, I'll stop explaining it to you.
You can go continue to have a point in your make believe world. |
DeeJay One
BetaMax. CRONOS.
41
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:13:00 -
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Please biomass all your characters, only that will show CCP that you don't like the game. After Incarna people terminated their subscriptions, so you should do the equivalent here. |
AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:19:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:AlleyKatPr0 wrote:I'll return to the game once CCP gets bought out by a different investment holding private equity firm, who would invest a significant quantity of $ into its product.
The current firm who owns and direct CCP have no experience with games companies or the entertainment industries connected therein.
A games company should be led by entities who understand games, to state the obvious.
A fish rots from the head down, as they say in Iceland.
Wikipedia wrote:CCP hf or CCP Games (Crowd Control Productions) is an Icelandic video game developer and publisher, majority owned by the company's staff and founders, Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners. Source I know... talk about a misinformed dip****. CCP is doing it's own thing... it is forging a path in a different direction than the mass gaming industry... and love it or hate it it's something you can respect.
Erm, all your wiki link did is prove me right - thanks. And thanks for dipping yourself in your own ****, always funny. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
743
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:20:00 -
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I'm running around on an alt at the moment game is a lot more enjoyable at the moment which is worrying that said the new patch notes shows a new direction so maybe their is hope |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
848
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:28:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote:Erm, all your wiki link did is prove me right - thanks. And thanks for dipping yourself in your own ****, always funny.
You think private equity firms are generally actively managing the companies they invest in? Really? |
AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:32:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:AlleyKatPr0 wrote:Erm, all your wiki link did is prove me right - thanks. And thanks for dipping yourself in your own ****, always funny. You think private equity firms are generally actively managing the companies they invest in? Really?
Read between the lines.
Off to the gym for a few hours. Ill check in later to see if you got it yet. |
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Zlocha
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:32:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:The facts are these,
Continues to state opinions ur serious? so ur saying the game has: eve connection good framerate no lag gamemodes a good fps core and PC is playable? get ur head out of your @ss. thats the blind fanboy in u talking
- It has more EVE connection than any other game. - Framerate can be better but is just OK - Has just enough gamemods for a starter game (There are much more modes than PS2) - FPS core can be better but it is fine
The real minus are lag on PC. I don't have any lag in normal or FW matches.
The LAV problem might be plausible because lot of people are just noobs and get hit easily by lavs. I get killed by it 1-2 every few matches, so it is not a big problem.
Learn to adapt people. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
619
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:37:00 -
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already put the game down liuke 2 weeks ago.
my biggest issue is yea i've been forced into a LAV, i had to adapt or die, which is fine, but i still can't lock the door, which encourages me to not leave my LLAV.
maps are saturated in free large turret installations that are supposed to be an asset that cost isk that don't need a player operator to kill you- i spend more time fighting these it seems than i do fighting actual other players (they're all redlined or in the MCC) i essentially spend more time with PVEing/dying to large unmanned turrets in this game than i do PVP |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
426
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:39:00 -
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Zlocha wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:The facts are these,
Continues to state opinions ur serious? so ur saying the game has: eve connection good framerate no lag gamemodes a good fps core and PC is playable? get ur head out of your @ss. thats the blind fanboy in u talking - It has more EVE connection than any other game. - Framerate can be better but is just OK - Has just enough gamemods for a starter game (There are much more modes than PS2) - FPS core can be better but it is fine The real minus are lag on PC. I don't have any lag in normal or FW matches. The LAV problem might be plausible because lot of people are just noobs and get hit easily by lavs. I get killed by it 1-2 every few matches, so it is not a big problem. Learn to adapt people.
Learn to critique. Can you be anymore of a fanboi.
The connection to EVE is laughable and frankly anyone who thinks that the connection is a selling point is delusional. Oh but it will be amazing in 5-10 years. Yea but no because it wont have a playerbase especially if by that point the game isn't on PS4.
Framerate is terrible you have no clue what you are talking about here.
FPS core is atrocious, fine isn't a word to remotely use about this game |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
166
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:43:00 -
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Did u really just argue for the eve connection, framerate and fps core?
wow. ur crazy. |
Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
370
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:52:00 -
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Numbers are dropping and most corps are suffering a lack of morale and drop in participation from our research. its the reason we did our last blog http://tinyurl.com/krn8oga |
Zlocha
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:04:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Learn to critique. Can you be anymore of a fanboi.
The connection to EVE is laughable and frankly anyone who thinks that the connection is a selling point is delusional. Oh but it will be amazing in 5-10 years. Yea but no because it wont have a playerbase especially if by that point the game isn't on PS4.
Framerate is terrible you have no clue what you are talking about here.
FPS core is atrocious, fine isn't a word to remotely use about this game
Lol so anyone who can get along with the game is a fanboi. Or you are just bad at it and can't adapt? I didn't say everything is marvelous but is OKish. I am playing it just fine and i am having fun more than when i played PS2 or those other meaningless shooters like COD or BF.
I am going to continue to play it and pay for some stuff like my friends will. Next patch is going to bring some nice stuff and some good changes. The next one will bring some more and so on and on.
People must realize that everything can't happen immediately especially if something this complex is tried to be achieved. These kind of threads ain't helping also.
If the community want to push for something than it should be some kind of test server where CCP would release the features sometimes before it is released on TQ. Where players can join it and te.st those feature same as it is happening for EVE. This would increase substantially the quality for every patch that comes after |
ZIPI GAC
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
33
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:14:00 -
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+ 1
Dust514 is a poor FPS, it have great potential, but right now have too many problems, lag, etc. I stopped playing one month ago, and i will be back if CCP fix the problems, if not,....... PS4 is coming...... run...... CCP....run...... |
Zlocha
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:16:00 -
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ZIPI GAC wrote:+ 1
Dust514 is a poor FPS, it have great potential, but right now have too many problems, lag, etc. I stopped playing one month ago, and i will be back if CCP fix the problems, if not,....... PS4 is coming...... run...... CCP....run......
Yep Lag is the biggest problem for me also but i am bearing somehow :D |
gbh08
74656d70
40
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:39:00 -
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The games already killing itself, at certain hours no matter which region you switch too, you end up in 4 v 8 matches etc
These evetards and fanboys need to go outside the dust forums and read what other gamers say about dust, becasue the game wont survive with just you bell ends playing it
Anyone that says the game plays fine is clearly out of there tiny little mind, either that or this is the first fps for some you and you dont know any different
Framerate is beyond unaceptable, in built up area's its just ******* disgusting, and to anyone thats been playing fps religiously for the past 15 or whatever years its unplayable and ccp should be ashamed to have released upriseing in this filthy state
not to mention its been over 6 ******* weeks and its not got any better LoL gg ccp, yeah were all wait for your incompetent ass for another 5 weeeks |
Kay High
The Lions Guard
104
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:45:00 -
[50] - Quote
Can I haz your stuff? |
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gbh08
74656d70
40
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:47:00 -
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Kay High wrote:Can I haz your stuff?
And how do you propose i send it to you .....
Thats right, we got all these useless salvage that we cant trade or do feck all with
Try harder dude |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:50:00 -
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Kay High wrote:Can I haz your stuff?
sure u can. i'll just go ahead and give it to u via the player trade market.
o wait........sorry the game is so broken i cant give it to you. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
426
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:55:00 -
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I've been voting with my wallet for a bit now, I haven't spent any cash on AUR, Merc Packs, Vehicle Packs since before Uprising (I've also scaled back my financial investment in Eve).
When I feel my concerns are being better addressed, I will change my stance. |
Sigbjorn Foerik
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:23:00 -
[54] - Quote
For the EVE/DUST connection this would be a solution: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=89575 |
Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
370
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Posted - 2013.06.27 19:04:00 -
[55] - Quote
^ this is a good suggestion. |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:27:00 -
[56] - Quote
With all of the bullet points listed,it's becoming more and more obvious that CCP is just too much over their heads with the development of Dust.There are just waaaay too many things for them to fix in a short amount of time before people move on to what the PS4 and Xbox One have to offer. |
Kay High
The Lions Guard
104
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:37:00 -
[57] - Quote
Reiki Jubo wrote:Kay High wrote:Can I haz your stuff? sure u can. i'll just go ahead and give it to u via the player trade market. o wait........sorry the game is so broken i cant give it to you.
Cry and whine more scrubs, your tears fuel my dropsuit. Look at how long it took CCP's other game (Heaven forbid that i mention EVE online here) took to get to the point where all the core elements were in the game. They are still improving that game and people said when it started that EVE would fail. You all are the exact same as those people. So go ahead leave, whine complain you will all eat your words in time.
PS make sure you terminate your characters so we don't have to hear you whine anymore and so you can't reap the rewards of constant passive SP. |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:47:00 -
[58] - Quote
u waited years for a game to be playable? thats patience! i admire it but ur some kind of idiot. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
2027
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:50:00 -
[59] - Quote
Tolen Rosas wrote: fixes to logis? Me think you're a scrub who mistakenly believes themselves to be a pro |
Knightshade Belladonna
G.R.A.V.E
378
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:53:00 -
[60] - Quote
Tolen Rosas wrote:u waited years for a game to be playable? thats patience! i admire it but ur some kind of idiot.
lmfao +1, even though I have played eve for 7 years |
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ZIPI GAC
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
36
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:38:00 -
[61] - Quote
Tolen Rosas wrote:u waited years for a game to be playable? thats patience! i admire it but ur some kind of idiot.
LOL! |
Skipper Jones
Red Star. EoN.
179
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:37:00 -
[62] - Quote
At least somebody does it in a civilized manner. At least somebody realizes that you DON'T have to play a game you don't like. |
Skipper Jones
Red Star. EoN.
179
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:00:00 -
[63] - Quote
Tolen Rosas wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:The facts are these,
Continues to state opinions ur serious? so ur saying the game has: eve connection good framerate no lag gamemodes a good fps core and PC is playable? get ur head out of your @ss. thats the blind fanboy in u talking
No Eve connection They only time I have bad framerate is when I've been playing for a while Same as above There are 3 actually. I'm pretty optimistic so this doesn't really bother me I have no problems with Aiming and No problems with Hit detection. PC is only playable if you reset 3 times a day and pour some wolf blood on your PS3 |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
76
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:14:00 -
[64] - Quote
Kay High wrote:Reiki Jubo wrote:Kay High wrote:Can I haz your stuff? sure u can. i'll just go ahead and give it to u via the player trade market. o wait........sorry the game is so broken i cant give it to you. Cry and whine more scrubs, your tears fuel my dropsuit. Look at how long it took CCP's other game (Heaven forbid that i mention EVE online here) took to get to the point where all the core elements were in the game. They are still improving that game and people said when it started that EVE would fail. You all are the exact same as those people. So go ahead leave, whine complain you will all eat your words in time. PS make sure you terminate your characters so we don't have to hear you whine anymore and so you can't reap the rewards of constant passive SP.
This is console not PC the game will not recover from the bad reviews and word of mouth by the players how bad the game is. Trust me bro it's a wrap 5/14/13 was CCP chance to impress the console community and they failed.
Name me one console game recovered from a horrible release? PS4 coming out GTA5 coming out and Dust still feels like a beta ilove CCP, but it's time to cut bait and move this turd to PC. |
Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
50
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:25:00 -
[65] - Quote
The Faction Warfare connection is actually pretty strong right now. Winning battles on the ground can drastically lower the amount of time it takes to take a system (or drastically increase it, if you're losing said battles) and the same measurement also makes the system less/more costly to maintain. For those of you unfamiliar with FW mechanics, you can't dock in an enemy system, so not only are you costing the other side monetary (Loyalty Point awards) by denying them systems, you're also denying them places to stop/rest/repair/hide. The FW battles (while just another skirmish at this point in time) do actually have a strong bearing on FW in EVE at the moment. Of course, CCP had to test this kind of stuff first, and not just release it Galaxy-wide right from the get-go. That's why PC is only in Molden Heath at the moment. But eventually they'll have it expanded out.
In regards to PC, I haven't done a single match, but I hear it isn't doing as great as people had hoped. Do you think it would have been any better if you could go for any of the tens of thousands of districts across the galaxy (~5000 systems, and multiple districts per planet)? They had to test it first. Hopefully with the feedback they can make it much better.
The aiming is definately difficult at the fine-tuning level. It can be a real PITA trying to line up that sniper shot when you can't get the crosshair to move just a smidge instead of the big leaps it tends to make. Other than that, I don't really have much trouble in tracking or hitting people, and I've played all sorts of FPSs over the years (majors being Halo, COD:MW, CS, DoD, HL, etc). Take that for what you will.
Of course, I am firmly of the opinion that DUST shouldn't have shucked it's Beta status, but I heard a rumor that it wasn't 100% CCP's doing, so I don't know who to blame exactly for that one.
So far it seems like anyone who hasn't agreed 100% with you is a "fanboy," though, so despite my concessions and agreement that DUST 514 isn't a finished product for a 1.0 release build, I await being labled. |
Atikali Havendoorr
HERBGROWERS
28
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:23:00 -
[66] - Quote
Alaika Arbosa wrote:I've been voting with my wallet for a bit now, I haven't spent any cash on AUR, Merc Packs, Vehicle Packs since before Uprising (I've also scaled back my financial investment in Eve).
When I feel my concerns are being better addressed, I will change my stance. Ditto. Except I don't play Eve. Haven't touched my main character since just before Uprising. Just loling around with my alt and se if it magically feels acceptable someday, or if anything is fixed.
Arx Ardashir wrote:The Faction Warfare connection is actually pretty strong right now. Winning battles on the ground can drastically lower the amount of time it takes to take a system (or drastically increase it, if you're losing said battles) and the same measurement also makes the system less/more costly to maintain. For those of you unfamiliar with FW mechanics, you can't dock in an enemy system, so not only are you costing the other side monetary (Loyalty Point awards) by denying them systems, you're also denying them places to stop/rest/repair/hide. The FW battles (while just another skirmish at this point in time) do actually have a strong bearing on FW in EVE at the moment. Of course, CCP had to test this kind of stuff first, and not just release it Galaxy-wide right from the get-go. That's why PC is only in Molden Heath at the moment. But eventually they'll have it expanded out.
In regards to PC, I haven't done a single match, but I hear it isn't doing as great as people had hoped. Do you think it would have been any better if you could go for any of the tens of thousands of districts across the galaxy (~5000 systems, and multiple districts per planet)? They had to test it first. Hopefully with the feedback they can make it much better.
The aiming is definately difficult at the fine-tuning level. It can be a real PITA trying to line up that sniper shot when you can't get the crosshair to move just a smidge instead of the big leaps it tends to make. Other than that, I don't really have much trouble in tracking or hitting people, and I've played all sorts of FPSs over the years (majors being Halo, COD:MW, CS, DoD, HL, etc). Take that for what you will.
Of course, I am firmly of the opinion that DUST shouldn't have shucked it's Beta status, but I heard a rumor that it wasn't 100% CCP's doing, so I don't know who to blame exactly for that one.
So far it seems like anyone who hasn't agreed 100% with you is a "fanboy," though, so despite my concessions and agreement that DUST 514 isn't a finished product for a 1.0 release build, I await being labled. Interesting. Didn't know that FW actually meant something. In Dust it's just another instant battle, with possibly little longer warbarge time and a bit more devoted player if you're lucky. And that the release wasn't CCP-¦s thing... hm... the tension is rising... |
Swell Shot
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:27:00 -
[67] - Quote
Thanks for stating the obvious OP you may now resume finding a hole to die in |
Corum Irsie
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
18
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:07:00 -
[68] - Quote
No Eve connection They only time I have bad framerate is when I've been playing for a while Same as above There are 3 actually. I'm pretty optimistic so this doesn't really bother me I have no problems with Aiming and No problems with Hit detection. PC is only playable if you reset 3 times a day and pour some wolf blood on your PS3 [/quote]
Tiger blood works better. |
Corum Irsie
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
18
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:07:00 -
[69] - Quote
Corum Irsie wrote:No Eve connection They only time I have bad framerate is when I've been playing for a while Same as above There are 3 actually. I'm pretty optimistic so this doesn't really bother me I have no problems with Aiming and No problems with Hit detection. PC is only playable if you reset 3 times a day and pour some wolf blood on your PS3
Tiger blood works better.
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AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.06.29 13:16:00 -
[70] - Quote
Sir Petersen wrote:aka "Fiskur rotnar fr+í haus og ni+¦ur" Yeah.. We don-¦t say this here in Iceland..
Could've sworn that proverb originated in Iceland - did my research and it turns out it didn't. Apps to you.
He's another one that I did research "sinn er si+¦ur +¡ landi hverju", which afaict is very similar to "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".
I think this partially sums up some of the feelings I have, and I think the EVE Online player-base might be partially to blame for this. Let me expand on this, and read if you have the time to; if not, too bad.
Oh, the EVE Online players. They are a wonderful and dedicated bunch; they write extensive excel spreadsheets; write programs which link directly into a players character; create websites, with their own forums etc etc. Suffice to say the list of what the EVE Online player-base have, will and shall do for the game of EVE Online goes on longer than the list of what women are looking for in a man.
They even have mother fuckin' tattoos, and name their offspring 'Eve' and get EVE-inspired Wedding cake made for them. I **** ye not.
If a bumper sticker existed which said 'my other car is a Titan', they would buy it...
/Preamble over
This is a problem for a company that have such loyal and dedicated fans because it really detaches a company from the realities of the market they operate in. CCP was kinda going in the right direction for a games publisher when they purchased White Wolf and its IP, so they could begin the perfectly natural development for a games company and begin branching out into other potential taps of revenue.
The sword has two sides to it however, as the EVE players were not just dedicated fans they were also incredibly demanding fans, whose ideas of what the game should/could be clashed harder than Gallente liberalism and Caldari nationalism.
This meant a never-ending balancing act which means the cost of maintaining EVE continues to rise due to constant bi-annual content being added to a game, which needs development and maintenance/fixing.
This ever-present rising cost pretty much forbids the chance one might be in a position to develop a new AAA game, and when they attempted to, I can only imagine the discussion was along the lines of "The players love us and will spend $/-ú/Gé¼ on the stuff we do - remember the roar of the crowds from fanfest? We can do whatever we want!!".
And lo, we find ourselves here with an utterly terrible FPS that got attrocious reviews; that looks like a Playstation 2 game and, has a diminishing populace.
I honestly and truly believe CCP got lucky with EVE, and found an untapped hole in the market for an interactive space exploration game, that rode off the coat-tails of Elite because Braben hadn't bothered with making one himself.
CCP did however get one thing right in the last ten years of development; they made it so there is a complete and absolute divide between the people who want to run PvE based content and the ones who want to do PvP. I strongly believe this eloquent divide has kept CCP's mouths fed, and the players distracted...most of the time.
So CCP is in Rome now, and I believe they thought they bought a ticket to another town, or that they could go there and treat it with the laws that Govern Iceland.
So wrong, but I blame the players of EVE for massaging the Ego's of the staff, and I also blame the staff at CCP because they are also fans of the game, because they also play EVE.
One big egotistical screw-up.
The most vocal players are the ones who want a never-ending supply of players to shoot at, and the ones they want to shoot get what they want: the ability to click the button which says 'Request Mission'. The PvE crowd is the majority of the players and the PvP are the 1,000 decibel minority, complete with a rack of Marshall amps behind them and bad hair.
DUST never should have been undertaken, and coming here every now and then to poke fun at y'all for playing this 'game' is like going on safari and witnessing the height of hubris being ascended, and people standing atop stating it is the height of humility.
I think the term 'lol' applies.
Istvaan Shogaatsu once said "The most effective pawn is one who does not know they stand on a chessboard". This is applicable to the staff and CCP and the players of their games right now. |
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
53
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Posted - 2013.06.29 17:43:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote: Oh, the EVE Online players. They are a wonderful and dedicated bunch; they write extensive excel spreadsheets; write programs which link directly into a players character; create websites, with their own forums etc etc. Suffice to say the list of what the EVE Online player-base have, will and shall do for the game of EVE Online goes on longer than the list of what women are looking for in a man.
I don't think I need to link examples here.
AlleyKatPr0 wrote:They even have mother fuckin' tattoos, and name their offspring 'Eve' and get EVE-inspired Wedding cake made for them. I **** ye not. Gaming Tattoos
AlleyKatPr0 wrote:If a bumper sticker existed which said 'my other car is a Titan', they would buy it...
Bumper Stickers
Sorry, mate, but when your "preamble" against the fans of a certain game rants against common behavior of game fans as if it was unique to your target population, it makes everything else look pretty ****** by comparison.
Now, as to your actual argument, after you were done making a fool of yourself, that could possibly be part of the case, but we'll never exactly know for sure. |
AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.07.01 12:45:00 -
[72] - Quote
Arx Ardashir wrote:AlleyKatPr0 wrote: Oh, the EVE Online players. They are a wonderful and dedicated bunch; they write extensive excel spreadsheets; write programs which link directly into a players character; create websites, with their own forums etc etc. Suffice to say the list of what the EVE Online player-base have, will and shall do for the game of EVE Online goes on longer than the list of what women are looking for in a man.
I don't think I need to link examples here. AlleyKatPr0 wrote:They even have mother fuckin' tattoos, and name their offspring 'Eve' and get EVE-inspired Wedding cake made for them. I **** ye not. Gaming TattoosAlleyKatPr0 wrote:If a bumper sticker existed which said 'my other car is a Titan', they would buy it...
Bumper StickersSorry, mate, but when your "preamble" against the fans of a certain game rants against common behavior of game fans as if it was unique to your target population, it makes everything else look pretty ****** by comparison. Now, as to your actual argument, after you were done making a fool of yourself, that could possibly be part of the case, but we'll never exactly know for sure. There was "Monaclegate" where CCP went way overboard with their first foray into microtransactions, and the price of a monocle - a mere decoration - was equal to the cost of a 4 month subscription. That was pretty ridiculous. BTW, it still costs that much, but everyone's over it now. "Incarnagate," the "scandal" where one of the big expansions was just a room you could lock your capsuleer into (as well as an overhaul of the character deisgn system), shouldn't have been as big of an issue, becuase the expansion was f'n free. Unlike other MMORPGs, where an expansion comes out every couple of years and costs you another chunk of change, all of the EVE expansions are 100% free and there are 2 a year. Talk about a spoiled playerbase. Did they have a right to be bummed out? Of course, it was pretty lame. Should there have been rioting in the space lanes? Hell no. Could CCP getting a bit of a big head? Possibly, but they've already had a couple of major ego checks, deserved or undeserved, and I don't think it's the case here. I think the case here is just a small dev team, some planning errors, and the instant gratification that everyone wants these days.
You can't call an expansion to a subscription model free of charge.
One needs to also ask "to what end?".
If the purpose of releasing an expansion pack after releasing 10 years of expansion packs is to add content, why?
Why add more content to a game when the existing content surely is more important? Can anyone walk in stations yet? Are drones still broken? Is capital warfare beyond saturation yet? Content in game that new players cannot access because they were not playing the game in 2003-2012?
Barely scratching the surface of content which was added (some by staff that have since left CCP) with no projections or forethought to their impact, affecting balance.
The only reason they add new content is because either the existing content is "poorly received" or they are fearful of people unsubbing if no new content is added.
Existing players want a balanced game that works at the most fundamental level, and when the fundamentals are flawed, yes, they can be temporarily pacified with a new patch or expansion/shinyness. Pacification is no substitute for enrichment, and the hunger is so high in players now of EVE they look like catwalk models: super thin and devoid of substance, wearing clothes of desirability that are useless and impractical for day-to-day attire.
Potential gamers of EVE are drawn to games with scifi roots, or just want to fly spaceships.
Potential gamers of DUST want to shoot people with cool weapons.
CCP cannot get either right, and expenditure of time and money has been mismanaged.
My unsub from EVE, and my refusal to play DUST any longer hinge on many aspects...
...mostly it is a vote of no confidence in the management structure and all those internally who support without speaking up or questioning what the core values of gaming are about.
If CCP genuinely cared 'bout the players, I would not have left, and would not post the "screw this" posts that I do.
/goes to wipe |
Operative 1171 Aajli
D3LTA ACADEMY
38
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:50:00 -
[73] - Quote
IBTL!
Another thread that dares critique there product!
Shh, you're scaring away the free players.
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
875
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:09:00 -
[74] - Quote
Pssst, did any of these guys actually leave yet? |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
175
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:16:00 -
[75] - Quote
I did. Come back every often to laugh at you 'i still have faith in Dust' guys on the forums tho |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
434
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Posted - 2013.07.01 17:26:00 -
[76] - Quote
AlleyKatPr0 wrote:Arx Ardashir wrote:AlleyKatPr0 wrote: Oh, the EVE Online players. They are a wonderful and dedicated bunch; they write extensive excel spreadsheets; write programs which link directly into a players character; create websites, with their own forums etc etc. Suffice to say the list of what the EVE Online player-base have, will and shall do for the game of EVE Online goes on longer than the list of what women are looking for in a man.
I don't think I need to link examples here. AlleyKatPr0 wrote:They even have mother fuckin' tattoos, and name their offspring 'Eve' and get EVE-inspired Wedding cake made for them. I **** ye not. Gaming TattoosAlleyKatPr0 wrote:If a bumper sticker existed which said 'my other car is a Titan', they would buy it...
Bumper StickersSorry, mate, but when your "preamble" against the fans of a certain game rants against common behavior of game fans as if it was unique to your target population, it makes everything else look pretty ****** by comparison. Now, as to your actual argument, after you were done making a fool of yourself, that could possibly be part of the case, but we'll never exactly know for sure. There was "Monaclegate" where CCP went way overboard with their first foray into microtransactions, and the price of a monocle - a mere decoration - was equal to the cost of a 4 month subscription. That was pretty ridiculous. BTW, it still costs that much, but everyone's over it now. "Incarnagate," the "scandal" where one of the big expansions was just a room you could lock your capsuleer into (as well as an overhaul of the character deisgn system), shouldn't have been as big of an issue, becuase the expansion was f'n free. Unlike other MMORPGs, where an expansion comes out every couple of years and costs you another chunk of change, all of the EVE expansions are 100% free and there are 2 a year. Talk about a spoiled playerbase. Did they have a right to be bummed out? Of course, it was pretty lame. Should there have been rioting in the space lanes? Hell no. Could CCP getting a bit of a big head? Possibly, but they've already had a couple of major ego checks, deserved or undeserved, and I don't think it's the case here. I think the case here is just a small dev team, some planning errors, and the instant gratification that everyone wants these days. You can't call an expansion to a subscription model free of charge. One needs to also ask "to what end?". If the purpose of releasing an expansion pack after releasing 10 years of expansion packs is to add content, why? Why add more content to a game when the existing content surely is more important? Can anyone walk in stations yet? Are drones still broken? Is capital warfare beyond saturation yet? Content in game that new players cannot access because they were not playing the game in 2003-2012? Barely scratching the surface of content which was added (some by staff that have since left CCP) with no projections or forethought to their impact, affecting balance. The only reason they add new content is because either the existing content is "poorly received" or they are fearful of people unsubbing if no new content is added. Existing players want a balanced game that works at the most fundamental level, and when the fundamentals are flawed, yes, they can be temporarily pacified with a new patch or expansion/shinyness. Pacification is no substitute for enrichment, and the hunger is so high in players now of EVE they look like catwalk models: super thin and devoid of substance, wearing clothes of desirability that are useless and impractical for day-to-day attire. Potential gamers of EVE are drawn to games with scifi roots, or just want to fly spaceships. Potential gamers of DUST want to shoot people with cool weapons. CCP cannot get either right, and expenditure of time and money has been mismanaged. My unsub from EVE, and my refusal to play DUST any longer hinge on many aspects... ...mostly it is a vote of no confidence in the management structure and all those internally who support without speaking up or questioning what the core values of gaming are about. If CCP genuinely cared 'bout the players, I would not have left, and would not post the "screw this" posts that I do. /goes to wipe
This game will set you free.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game |
KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
147
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Posted - 2013.07.01 17:40:00 -
[77] - Quote
Agreeing to not purchase aurem until New heavy content arrives |
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