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ZIPI GAC
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:38:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:u waited years for a game to be playable? thats patience! i admire it but ur some kind of idiot.
LOL! |
Skipper Jones
Red Star. EoN.
179
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:37:00 -
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At least somebody does it in a civilized manner. At least somebody realizes that you DON'T have to play a game you don't like. |
Skipper Jones
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:00:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:The facts are these,
Continues to state opinions ur serious? so ur saying the game has: eve connection good framerate no lag gamemodes a good fps core and PC is playable? get ur head out of your @ss. thats the blind fanboy in u talking
No Eve connection They only time I have bad framerate is when I've been playing for a while Same as above There are 3 actually. I'm pretty optimistic so this doesn't really bother me I have no problems with Aiming and No problems with Hit detection. PC is only playable if you reset 3 times a day and pour some wolf blood on your PS3 |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:14:00 -
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Kay High wrote:Reiki Jubo wrote:Kay High wrote:Can I haz your stuff? sure u can. i'll just go ahead and give it to u via the player trade market. o wait........sorry the game is so broken i cant give it to you. Cry and whine more scrubs, your tears fuel my dropsuit. Look at how long it took CCP's other game (Heaven forbid that i mention EVE online here) took to get to the point where all the core elements were in the game. They are still improving that game and people said when it started that EVE would fail. You all are the exact same as those people. So go ahead leave, whine complain you will all eat your words in time. PS make sure you terminate your characters so we don't have to hear you whine anymore and so you can't reap the rewards of constant passive SP.
This is console not PC the game will not recover from the bad reviews and word of mouth by the players how bad the game is. Trust me bro it's a wrap 5/14/13 was CCP chance to impress the console community and they failed.
Name me one console game recovered from a horrible release? PS4 coming out GTA5 coming out and Dust still feels like a beta ilove CCP, but it's time to cut bait and move this turd to PC. |
Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
50
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:25:00 -
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The Faction Warfare connection is actually pretty strong right now. Winning battles on the ground can drastically lower the amount of time it takes to take a system (or drastically increase it, if you're losing said battles) and the same measurement also makes the system less/more costly to maintain. For those of you unfamiliar with FW mechanics, you can't dock in an enemy system, so not only are you costing the other side monetary (Loyalty Point awards) by denying them systems, you're also denying them places to stop/rest/repair/hide. The FW battles (while just another skirmish at this point in time) do actually have a strong bearing on FW in EVE at the moment. Of course, CCP had to test this kind of stuff first, and not just release it Galaxy-wide right from the get-go. That's why PC is only in Molden Heath at the moment. But eventually they'll have it expanded out.
In regards to PC, I haven't done a single match, but I hear it isn't doing as great as people had hoped. Do you think it would have been any better if you could go for any of the tens of thousands of districts across the galaxy (~5000 systems, and multiple districts per planet)? They had to test it first. Hopefully with the feedback they can make it much better.
The aiming is definately difficult at the fine-tuning level. It can be a real PITA trying to line up that sniper shot when you can't get the crosshair to move just a smidge instead of the big leaps it tends to make. Other than that, I don't really have much trouble in tracking or hitting people, and I've played all sorts of FPSs over the years (majors being Halo, COD:MW, CS, DoD, HL, etc). Take that for what you will.
Of course, I am firmly of the opinion that DUST shouldn't have shucked it's Beta status, but I heard a rumor that it wasn't 100% CCP's doing, so I don't know who to blame exactly for that one.
So far it seems like anyone who hasn't agreed 100% with you is a "fanboy," though, so despite my concessions and agreement that DUST 514 isn't a finished product for a 1.0 release build, I await being labled. |
Atikali Havendoorr
HERBGROWERS
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:23:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:I've been voting with my wallet for a bit now, I haven't spent any cash on AUR, Merc Packs, Vehicle Packs since before Uprising (I've also scaled back my financial investment in Eve).
When I feel my concerns are being better addressed, I will change my stance. Ditto. Except I don't play Eve. Haven't touched my main character since just before Uprising. Just loling around with my alt and se if it magically feels acceptable someday, or if anything is fixed.
Arx Ardashir wrote:The Faction Warfare connection is actually pretty strong right now. Winning battles on the ground can drastically lower the amount of time it takes to take a system (or drastically increase it, if you're losing said battles) and the same measurement also makes the system less/more costly to maintain. For those of you unfamiliar with FW mechanics, you can't dock in an enemy system, so not only are you costing the other side monetary (Loyalty Point awards) by denying them systems, you're also denying them places to stop/rest/repair/hide. The FW battles (while just another skirmish at this point in time) do actually have a strong bearing on FW in EVE at the moment. Of course, CCP had to test this kind of stuff first, and not just release it Galaxy-wide right from the get-go. That's why PC is only in Molden Heath at the moment. But eventually they'll have it expanded out.
In regards to PC, I haven't done a single match, but I hear it isn't doing as great as people had hoped. Do you think it would have been any better if you could go for any of the tens of thousands of districts across the galaxy (~5000 systems, and multiple districts per planet)? They had to test it first. Hopefully with the feedback they can make it much better.
The aiming is definately difficult at the fine-tuning level. It can be a real PITA trying to line up that sniper shot when you can't get the crosshair to move just a smidge instead of the big leaps it tends to make. Other than that, I don't really have much trouble in tracking or hitting people, and I've played all sorts of FPSs over the years (majors being Halo, COD:MW, CS, DoD, HL, etc). Take that for what you will.
Of course, I am firmly of the opinion that DUST shouldn't have shucked it's Beta status, but I heard a rumor that it wasn't 100% CCP's doing, so I don't know who to blame exactly for that one.
So far it seems like anyone who hasn't agreed 100% with you is a "fanboy," though, so despite my concessions and agreement that DUST 514 isn't a finished product for a 1.0 release build, I await being labled. Interesting. Didn't know that FW actually meant something. In Dust it's just another instant battle, with possibly little longer warbarge time and a bit more devoted player if you're lucky. And that the release wasn't CCP-¦s thing... hm... the tension is rising... |
Swell Shot
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:27:00 -
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Thanks for stating the obvious OP you may now resume finding a hole to die in |
Corum Irsie
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:07:00 -
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No Eve connection They only time I have bad framerate is when I've been playing for a while Same as above There are 3 actually. I'm pretty optimistic so this doesn't really bother me I have no problems with Aiming and No problems with Hit detection. PC is only playable if you reset 3 times a day and pour some wolf blood on your PS3 [/quote]
Tiger blood works better. |
Corum Irsie
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
18
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:07:00 -
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Corum Irsie wrote:No Eve connection They only time I have bad framerate is when I've been playing for a while Same as above There are 3 actually. I'm pretty optimistic so this doesn't really bother me I have no problems with Aiming and No problems with Hit detection. PC is only playable if you reset 3 times a day and pour some wolf blood on your PS3
Tiger blood works better.
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AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.29 13:16:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:aka "Fiskur rotnar fr+í haus og ni+¦ur" Yeah.. We don-¦t say this here in Iceland..
Could've sworn that proverb originated in Iceland - did my research and it turns out it didn't. Apps to you.
He's another one that I did research "sinn er si+¦ur +¡ landi hverju", which afaict is very similar to "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".
I think this partially sums up some of the feelings I have, and I think the EVE Online player-base might be partially to blame for this. Let me expand on this, and read if you have the time to; if not, too bad.
Oh, the EVE Online players. They are a wonderful and dedicated bunch; they write extensive excel spreadsheets; write programs which link directly into a players character; create websites, with their own forums etc etc. Suffice to say the list of what the EVE Online player-base have, will and shall do for the game of EVE Online goes on longer than the list of what women are looking for in a man.
They even have mother fuckin' tattoos, and name their offspring 'Eve' and get EVE-inspired Wedding cake made for them. I **** ye not.
If a bumper sticker existed which said 'my other car is a Titan', they would buy it...
/Preamble over
This is a problem for a company that have such loyal and dedicated fans because it really detaches a company from the realities of the market they operate in. CCP was kinda going in the right direction for a games publisher when they purchased White Wolf and its IP, so they could begin the perfectly natural development for a games company and begin branching out into other potential taps of revenue.
The sword has two sides to it however, as the EVE players were not just dedicated fans they were also incredibly demanding fans, whose ideas of what the game should/could be clashed harder than Gallente liberalism and Caldari nationalism.
This meant a never-ending balancing act which means the cost of maintaining EVE continues to rise due to constant bi-annual content being added to a game, which needs development and maintenance/fixing.
This ever-present rising cost pretty much forbids the chance one might be in a position to develop a new AAA game, and when they attempted to, I can only imagine the discussion was along the lines of "The players love us and will spend $/-ú/Gé¼ on the stuff we do - remember the roar of the crowds from fanfest? We can do whatever we want!!".
And lo, we find ourselves here with an utterly terrible FPS that got attrocious reviews; that looks like a Playstation 2 game and, has a diminishing populace.
I honestly and truly believe CCP got lucky with EVE, and found an untapped hole in the market for an interactive space exploration game, that rode off the coat-tails of Elite because Braben hadn't bothered with making one himself.
CCP did however get one thing right in the last ten years of development; they made it so there is a complete and absolute divide between the people who want to run PvE based content and the ones who want to do PvP. I strongly believe this eloquent divide has kept CCP's mouths fed, and the players distracted...most of the time.
So CCP is in Rome now, and I believe they thought they bought a ticket to another town, or that they could go there and treat it with the laws that Govern Iceland.
So wrong, but I blame the players of EVE for massaging the Ego's of the staff, and I also blame the staff at CCP because they are also fans of the game, because they also play EVE.
One big egotistical screw-up.
The most vocal players are the ones who want a never-ending supply of players to shoot at, and the ones they want to shoot get what they want: the ability to click the button which says 'Request Mission'. The PvE crowd is the majority of the players and the PvP are the 1,000 decibel minority, complete with a rack of Marshall amps behind them and bad hair.
DUST never should have been undertaken, and coming here every now and then to poke fun at y'all for playing this 'game' is like going on safari and witnessing the height of hubris being ascended, and people standing atop stating it is the height of humility.
I think the term 'lol' applies.
Istvaan Shogaatsu once said "The most effective pawn is one who does not know they stand on a chessboard". This is applicable to the staff and CCP and the players of their games right now. |
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
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Posted - 2013.06.29 17:43:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote: Oh, the EVE Online players. They are a wonderful and dedicated bunch; they write extensive excel spreadsheets; write programs which link directly into a players character; create websites, with their own forums etc etc. Suffice to say the list of what the EVE Online player-base have, will and shall do for the game of EVE Online goes on longer than the list of what women are looking for in a man.
I don't think I need to link examples here.
AlleyKatPr0 wrote:They even have mother fuckin' tattoos, and name their offspring 'Eve' and get EVE-inspired Wedding cake made for them. I **** ye not. Gaming Tattoos
AlleyKatPr0 wrote:If a bumper sticker existed which said 'my other car is a Titan', they would buy it...
Bumper Stickers
Sorry, mate, but when your "preamble" against the fans of a certain game rants against common behavior of game fans as if it was unique to your target population, it makes everything else look pretty ****** by comparison.
Now, as to your actual argument, after you were done making a fool of yourself, that could possibly be part of the case, but we'll never exactly know for sure. |
AlleyKatPr0
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.01 12:45:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:AlleyKatPr0 wrote: Oh, the EVE Online players. They are a wonderful and dedicated bunch; they write extensive excel spreadsheets; write programs which link directly into a players character; create websites, with their own forums etc etc. Suffice to say the list of what the EVE Online player-base have, will and shall do for the game of EVE Online goes on longer than the list of what women are looking for in a man.
I don't think I need to link examples here. AlleyKatPr0 wrote:They even have mother fuckin' tattoos, and name their offspring 'Eve' and get EVE-inspired Wedding cake made for them. I **** ye not. Gaming TattoosAlleyKatPr0 wrote:If a bumper sticker existed which said 'my other car is a Titan', they would buy it...
Bumper StickersSorry, mate, but when your "preamble" against the fans of a certain game rants against common behavior of game fans as if it was unique to your target population, it makes everything else look pretty ****** by comparison. Now, as to your actual argument, after you were done making a fool of yourself, that could possibly be part of the case, but we'll never exactly know for sure. There was "Monaclegate" where CCP went way overboard with their first foray into microtransactions, and the price of a monocle - a mere decoration - was equal to the cost of a 4 month subscription. That was pretty ridiculous. BTW, it still costs that much, but everyone's over it now. "Incarnagate," the "scandal" where one of the big expansions was just a room you could lock your capsuleer into (as well as an overhaul of the character deisgn system), shouldn't have been as big of an issue, becuase the expansion was f'n free. Unlike other MMORPGs, where an expansion comes out every couple of years and costs you another chunk of change, all of the EVE expansions are 100% free and there are 2 a year. Talk about a spoiled playerbase. Did they have a right to be bummed out? Of course, it was pretty lame. Should there have been rioting in the space lanes? Hell no. Could CCP getting a bit of a big head? Possibly, but they've already had a couple of major ego checks, deserved or undeserved, and I don't think it's the case here. I think the case here is just a small dev team, some planning errors, and the instant gratification that everyone wants these days.
You can't call an expansion to a subscription model free of charge.
One needs to also ask "to what end?".
If the purpose of releasing an expansion pack after releasing 10 years of expansion packs is to add content, why?
Why add more content to a game when the existing content surely is more important? Can anyone walk in stations yet? Are drones still broken? Is capital warfare beyond saturation yet? Content in game that new players cannot access because they were not playing the game in 2003-2012?
Barely scratching the surface of content which was added (some by staff that have since left CCP) with no projections or forethought to their impact, affecting balance.
The only reason they add new content is because either the existing content is "poorly received" or they are fearful of people unsubbing if no new content is added.
Existing players want a balanced game that works at the most fundamental level, and when the fundamentals are flawed, yes, they can be temporarily pacified with a new patch or expansion/shinyness. Pacification is no substitute for enrichment, and the hunger is so high in players now of EVE they look like catwalk models: super thin and devoid of substance, wearing clothes of desirability that are useless and impractical for day-to-day attire.
Potential gamers of EVE are drawn to games with scifi roots, or just want to fly spaceships.
Potential gamers of DUST want to shoot people with cool weapons.
CCP cannot get either right, and expenditure of time and money has been mismanaged.
My unsub from EVE, and my refusal to play DUST any longer hinge on many aspects...
...mostly it is a vote of no confidence in the management structure and all those internally who support without speaking up or questioning what the core values of gaming are about.
If CCP genuinely cared 'bout the players, I would not have left, and would not post the "screw this" posts that I do.
/goes to wipe |
Operative 1171 Aajli
D3LTA ACADEMY
38
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:50:00 -
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IBTL!
Another thread that dares critique there product!
Shh, you're scaring away the free players.
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
875
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:09:00 -
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Pssst, did any of these guys actually leave yet? |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
175
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:16:00 -
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I did. Come back every often to laugh at you 'i still have faith in Dust' guys on the forums tho |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
434
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Posted - 2013.07.01 17:26:00 -
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AlleyKatPr0 wrote:Arx Ardashir wrote:AlleyKatPr0 wrote: Oh, the EVE Online players. They are a wonderful and dedicated bunch; they write extensive excel spreadsheets; write programs which link directly into a players character; create websites, with their own forums etc etc. Suffice to say the list of what the EVE Online player-base have, will and shall do for the game of EVE Online goes on longer than the list of what women are looking for in a man.
I don't think I need to link examples here. AlleyKatPr0 wrote:They even have mother fuckin' tattoos, and name their offspring 'Eve' and get EVE-inspired Wedding cake made for them. I **** ye not. Gaming TattoosAlleyKatPr0 wrote:If a bumper sticker existed which said 'my other car is a Titan', they would buy it...
Bumper StickersSorry, mate, but when your "preamble" against the fans of a certain game rants against common behavior of game fans as if it was unique to your target population, it makes everything else look pretty ****** by comparison. Now, as to your actual argument, after you were done making a fool of yourself, that could possibly be part of the case, but we'll never exactly know for sure. There was "Monaclegate" where CCP went way overboard with their first foray into microtransactions, and the price of a monocle - a mere decoration - was equal to the cost of a 4 month subscription. That was pretty ridiculous. BTW, it still costs that much, but everyone's over it now. "Incarnagate," the "scandal" where one of the big expansions was just a room you could lock your capsuleer into (as well as an overhaul of the character deisgn system), shouldn't have been as big of an issue, becuase the expansion was f'n free. Unlike other MMORPGs, where an expansion comes out every couple of years and costs you another chunk of change, all of the EVE expansions are 100% free and there are 2 a year. Talk about a spoiled playerbase. Did they have a right to be bummed out? Of course, it was pretty lame. Should there have been rioting in the space lanes? Hell no. Could CCP getting a bit of a big head? Possibly, but they've already had a couple of major ego checks, deserved or undeserved, and I don't think it's the case here. I think the case here is just a small dev team, some planning errors, and the instant gratification that everyone wants these days. You can't call an expansion to a subscription model free of charge. One needs to also ask "to what end?". If the purpose of releasing an expansion pack after releasing 10 years of expansion packs is to add content, why? Why add more content to a game when the existing content surely is more important? Can anyone walk in stations yet? Are drones still broken? Is capital warfare beyond saturation yet? Content in game that new players cannot access because they were not playing the game in 2003-2012? Barely scratching the surface of content which was added (some by staff that have since left CCP) with no projections or forethought to their impact, affecting balance. The only reason they add new content is because either the existing content is "poorly received" or they are fearful of people unsubbing if no new content is added. Existing players want a balanced game that works at the most fundamental level, and when the fundamentals are flawed, yes, they can be temporarily pacified with a new patch or expansion/shinyness. Pacification is no substitute for enrichment, and the hunger is so high in players now of EVE they look like catwalk models: super thin and devoid of substance, wearing clothes of desirability that are useless and impractical for day-to-day attire. Potential gamers of EVE are drawn to games with scifi roots, or just want to fly spaceships. Potential gamers of DUST want to shoot people with cool weapons. CCP cannot get either right, and expenditure of time and money has been mismanaged. My unsub from EVE, and my refusal to play DUST any longer hinge on many aspects... ...mostly it is a vote of no confidence in the management structure and all those internally who support without speaking up or questioning what the core values of gaming are about. If CCP genuinely cared 'bout the players, I would not have left, and would not post the "screw this" posts that I do. /goes to wipe
This game will set you free.
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KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
147
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Posted - 2013.07.01 17:40:00 -
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Agreeing to not purchase aurem until New heavy content arrives |
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