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Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:11:00 -
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Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* |
Fearless Speech
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
10
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:15:00 -
[2] - Quote
Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests*
How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits?
New players only face other new players / SPless alts.
Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1133
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:22:00 -
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Fearless Speech wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits? New players only face other new players / SPless alts. Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done
Again, its only the cal logi that is a problem. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
239
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:24:00 -
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Fearless Speech wrote:
How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits?
New players only face other new players / SPless alts.
Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done
It's hard on new players, indeed. I received 3 alt respecs and finally used the points on one alt. With 3.6 million SP, I was only able to get proto uplinks and still couldn't get a prototype gallente Scout suit. Not the Basic but the Scout.
I can see why new players have it extremely difficult and are not likely to stay. |
Avallo Kantor
DUST University Ivy League
108
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:27:00 -
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Fearless Speech wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits? New players only face other new players / SPless alts. Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done
The problem is there's a WP cap as well, that's at 10k WP.
This is very easy to reach if: 1) You play every other day the first week, 2) You aren't totally hopeless at FPS
So in my case, even though I am by no means some sort of FPS pro, I was able to play my way out of Battle Accademy my first week, and I only had like 600k SP. That's not a fun place to be entering the "main" battles with.
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Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
321
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:28:00 -
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I think I speak for most people when I say NO.
The new people can shoot the already damaged and injured enemy players to net kills, or they can think outside the box and not rush proto users head on then T_T when they get destroyed. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2894
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:30:00 -
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What the hell did I just read? |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
319
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:32:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests*
Nah I disagree. I liked it when I went into WoW and owned kids who were lower skill and gear and level than me. And vice versa. There are games out there like what you're describing, but dust should keep aforementioned modules because of the depth it adds to the game. |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
174
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:36:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:What the hell did I just read? Maken, I'm scared. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
239
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:45:00 -
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I understand some concern. It's not easy to want to give up an obvious advantage. But, it is a huge advantage to have all the extra HP and damage CCP allows, nonetheless.
CCP can either attempt to attract new players or push them away by allowing such overly advantageous enhancements to high SP players.
If damage and shield/armor enhancements is what makes Dust what it is, then I was mistaken. I thought Dust was more. Damage and HP are not the only skills that players can place skill points. They are only a fraction of what is available.
CCP will likely not remove this advantage but it will not attract new players. I for one like casual players. I can usually beat them without damage and HP enhancements and I'm not a highly skilled player. But I suppose for those that may lack skill, you may need the enhancements to compete. |
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Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
46
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:12:00 -
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Fearless Speech wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits? New players only face other new players / SPless alts. Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done no it's 2m SP or 10k WP |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2115
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:15:00 -
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Or we could you know, get some decent matchmaking? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2397
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:17:00 -
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I think militia/standard only games would be a far more sensible solution.
Seriously, try running any vehicle with no modules? I'm probs one of the few people who has (intentionally that is...) |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
46
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:20:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Or we could you know, get some decent matchmaking? THIS^^ 1000 times over this this. heck just because some players with low self esteem need to pub-stomp doesn't mean we all pub stomp I run 70% Basic 20% advanced and 10% protogear (to fight protos) |
xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
442
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:22:00 -
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Academy needs extending, I got thru the academy in 6-7 battles in an alt and had next to 0 sp, I've played long enough to know how to fight with a low sp cat but I'm not sure the new guys do.
I played with a new guy the other day and he had all his sp so far into dropsuits, he didn't know that they didn't gain more armor and shields, he thought "better dropsuit, harder to kill". If the academy isn't giving these guys enough time to realize more aspects of the game, it's not doing it's job. |
Byozuma Kegawa
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
136
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:24:00 -
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I don't know, I started in Chromosome so I was in the big leagues my first day. Honestly, removing modules isn't going to change a thing, you're still going to be dropped in short order by people with better equipment/better ability/higher skill levels. I've seen people rock face with the starter fits so... just grin, bear it and get better. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2397
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:24:00 -
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We have matchmaking, but don't have the player count for it to work. Militia/Standard only mode wouldn't need matchmaking. Wouldn't need large player count.
I don't see why it isn't in. Quick & easy fix. |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens EoN.
137
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:30:00 -
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TTK does seem lower in the Academy. Maybe it's just me.
[Edit: For similar suit against similar suit, all being similar skill level helps... my high SP proto ass against another high SP proto feels like a longer fight is what I'm saying] |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
241
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:56:00 -
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CCP, you can see that, quite possibly, the majority of forum participants are not likely to want a removal of the advantage they have with damage and HP enhancements. This is not a surprise. It is completely expected
As for match making;
PC was your first attempt at matchmaking. It failed.
Before that, militia or standard only gear modes were an option given by players.
I'm all for militia/standard only modes but it would possibly split up the already small player base. It is worth a shot, however.
If you want to make an attempt to keep new players, militia/std game mode is a good option and I would enjoy seeing this.
Removing damage and HP enhancers is also a good option but will not reduce game modes player counts. If you make a militia/std mode, it would be preferable to create one for Ambush and Skirmish at least, but some players also enjoy Domination.
This splits the players up, potentially increasing longer wait times to find a match, in the long run especially.
Removing all damage and hp enhancement will not split the player base and will still put all players on equal ground with killing capacity while skill becomes the most important quality.
This will help increase new player retention by giving them a much better chance to compete while more skilled players will still dominate. This is the way a FPS should be. This is how popular FPS games are. The game will still have the variety of skills to put SP in such as different weapons, boitics, electronics, and engineering which still allows players to create many numerous types of individualized builds.
You can have you cake and eat it too. It's an old saying meaning you can have the best of both worlds. In reference to Dust you'd have increased player retention and better balanced matches. |
hooc roht
Deep Space Republic
103
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:59:00 -
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Fearless Speech wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits? New players only face other new players / SPless alts. Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done
It is 10K WP or 2 million SP which ever comes first....unless the character has earned months of passive Sp it will almost always be the 10k WP
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Fearless Speech
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
11
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:58:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:Fearless Speech wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits? New players only face other new players / SPless alts. Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done It is 10K WP or 2 million SP which ever comes first....unless the character has earned months of passive Sp it will almost always be the 10k WP
Only 10kWP? Really? That's... like 6 or 7 games?
Someone suggested higher in the thread that there be a game mode that was only militia / basic gear allowed, and actually I've been thinking that would be a lot of fun. A nice low stress mode to opt into that would allow for a player to have a lot more style diversity than normal (if everyone can only have basic gear, then its okay I can't skill into x gun or suit I want to use for the day) while still retaining some advantage for being a vet (dropsuit core upgrade points). If nothing else, it should be pretty easy to impliment as it could just be a clone of ambush oms. |
Dust Project 514
Dust Evo 514
47
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:50:00 -
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Dear, CCP.
Please buff all weapons to perform one hit kills, due to players surviving too long from weak weapons.
That would more than solve the "they're too hard to kill" (Q_Q' )-ing. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
243
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:53:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:Dear, CCP.
Please buff all weapons to perform one hit kills, due to players surviving too long from weak weapons.
I don't think that would be a good idea. If it only took one bullet to kill that would make the shotgun useless when an AR has much better range. Unless, every single pellet in a shotgun shell could kill, that could make the shotgun very powerful against groups if it has a high spread. |
Dust Project 514
Dust Evo 514
47
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Posted - 2013.06.26 20:06:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:Dust Project 514 wrote:Dear, CCP.
Please buff all weapons to perform one hit kills, due to players surviving too long from weak weapons. I don't think that would be a good idea. If it only took one bullet to kill that would make the shotgun useless when an AR has much better range. Unless, every single pellet in a shotgun shell could kill, that could make the shotgun very powerful against groups if it has a high spread.
I'm was being SUPER sarcastic. -òGÇóߦÑGÇó-ö |
Grunt Shade
Ahrendee Frontlinez Omega Commission
6
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Posted - 2013.06.26 20:26:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I think I speak for most people when I say NO.
The new people can shoot the already damaged and injured enemy players to net kills, or they can think outside the box and not rush proto users head on then T_T when they get destroyed.
I agree. Its a long term commitment to building your character when I started I was out gunned for awhile my kdr was terrible. I stayed with it and although now im still not the best I have some proto weapons and suits and some strong tanks because thats what I use 90%the of the time. 5.4 million Sp thus far ive obtained. I started playing around 4 months on the regular. I do see your reason. It would seem more reasonable to have a amatuer battle selection where you can on play if your below so much sp gives new people a chance to get a feel for the game and earn sp and isk. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
301
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Posted - 2013.06.26 20:40:00 -
[26] - Quote
hooc roht wrote:Fearless Speech wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits? New players only face other new players / SPless alts. Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done It is 10K WP or 2 million SP which ever comes first....unless the character has earned months of passive Sp it will almost always be the 10k WP
Basing anything on WP short of squad leader orders is probably one of the most clueless decisions I have ever seen this dev team make.
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Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
10
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:14:00 -
[27] - Quote
Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests*
Why stop with Damage Modifiers and Shield/Armor Extenders? ALL modules give an advantage. Isn't it unfair to you if I have 40ish% Profile Dampening? Maybe this kind of game immersion isn't for you, just saying. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
243
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:24:00 -
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Eriknaught wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* Why stop with Damage Modifiers and Shield/Armor Extenders? ALL modules give an advantage. Isn't it unfair to you if I have 40ish% Profile Dampening? Maybe this kind of game immersion isn't for you, just saying. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.
You get an advantage from every skill but the damage and hp enhancement gives the most advantage. I would argue that it takes more to be able to sneak up on a player or group and get the kills while wearing a dampener. Since most scanning doesn't work or only works a partial amount of time, HP and damage are much more useful. I used the precision enhancer, dampener, and active scanner. They're good for recon or intel but they won't kill faster if you don't have the damage enhancement which you could have while also wearing the dampener. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
498
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:25:00 -
[29] - Quote
Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* I Don't support this idea
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
229
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:40:00 -
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I think that a militia/std match would resolve many of the new starter problems after leaving the academy and it will them a chance to speak to the vets without being faced with protobears.
However, significant improvements need to be made to the academy particularly in respect of educating the new player about the options available to them, what the objectives are in each mode and how to survive. |
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Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
245
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:53:00 -
[31] - Quote
A'Real Fury wrote:I think that a militia/std match would resolve many of the new starter problems after leaving the academy and it will them a chance to speak to the vets without being faced with protobears.
However, significant improvements need to be made to the academy particularly in respect of educating the new player about the options available to them, what the objectives are in each mode and how to survive.
I agree. A militia/std only idea would possibly be a perfect solution but CCP has failed to move this idea along. They've had plenty of time for matchmaking. They failed with PC matchmaking and they failed with the Academy. They may not have many options left.
I'd truly would prefer to have a militia/std game mode over my idea but CCP haven't mentioned anything about this so I assume they don't like it.
I will say that I like my idea but the majority of forum goers don't. CCP does seem to do things that the community doesn't like so why not put my idea in. After all, we didn't need these but they nerfed the HMG range MD splash, Laser focus damage and added a bluky sight, heavy and scout suit with too few modules while over buffing the medium suits with extra modules. When they said we needed more HP to move to Uprising, they eventually increased all weapon damage to compensate. We didn't need the extra HP, otherwise they wouldn't have felt the need to increase weapon damage.
I'd prefer to totally go back to Chromosome or have a militia/std mode but that won't happen so something has to give or the player base will continue to diminish. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
662
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Posted - 2013.06.26 23:11:00 -
[32] - Quote
Paran Tadec wrote:Fearless Speech wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits? New players only face other new players / SPless alts. Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done Again, its only the cal logi that is a problem.
this
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Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
202
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Posted - 2013.06.26 23:18:00 -
[33] - Quote
Does Godin have to laugh at you? Does he? Yea, I thought so.
Peace, Godin |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
246
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Posted - 2013.06.26 23:32:00 -
[34] - Quote
Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Fearless Speech wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits? New players only face other new players / SPless alts. Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done Again, its only the cal logi that is a problem. this
This isn't to secretly nerf the caldari logi. Removing damage and HP enhancements affects us all in order to give new player a fighting chance increasing the likelihood they might actually continue playing Dust. |
Draco Dustflier
DUST University Ivy League
143
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:55:00 -
[35] - Quote
Health and damage increases don't add depth to dust. They're nothing but a crutch for the unskilled. At least with the other mods the advantage is situational. Profile dampening or extra stamina won't help much if you just run at people like you can ith a shield tank. More health means that you don't have to react as quickly whilst being shot at, and more damage means you can get away with missing your shots more often. Also, extra health or damage outweighs any other bonus possible, in all games. We see it with stopping power in mw2 and magnum ammo in bad compwny 2, and we see it with the hewvy suits in MAG.
Systems like these cater to the unskilled, allowing a **** poor proto player to do as well as an mlg pro in militia armor. When you cater to the unskilled, the people who are actually decent at fps will melt through all opposition (Aldin Kan is a perfect example) once they get their hands on it.
To the Op: You will never convince these people on these forums to give up their precious health increases. They don't realize how much of an effect it has on gameplay. All they know is that if they had to compete on the same level as all other suits, they would die, over and over and over again. The good news is that in a few months, the game will die and we intelligent people will be able to laugh at them as they get obliterwted in any modern fps they try to play! |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
53
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:02:00 -
[36] - Quote
Draco Dustflier wrote:Health and damage increases don't add depth to dust. They're nothing but a crutch for the unskilled. At least with the other mods the advantage is situational. Profile dampening or extra stamina won't help much if you just run at people like you can ith a shield tank. More health means that you don't have to react as quickly whilst being shot at, and more damage means you can get away with missing your shots more often. Also, extra health or damage outweighs any other bonus possible, in all games. We see it with stopping power in mw2 and magnum ammo in bad compwny 2, and we see it with the hewvy suits in MAG.
Systems like these cater to the unskilled, allowing a **** poor proto player to do as well as an mlg pro in militia armor. When you cater to the unskilled, the people who are actually decent at fps will melt through all opposition (Aldin Kan is a perfect example) once they get their hands on it.
To the Op: You will never convince these people on these forums to give up their precious health increases. They don't realize how much of an effect it has on gameplay. All they know is that if they had to compete on the same level as all other suits, they would die, over and over and over again. The good news is that in a few months, the game will die and we intelligent people will be able to laugh at them as they get obliterwted in any modern fps they try to play! but it's also a RPG and in RPGs the ablity to buff health and damage is not uncommon |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
246
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:07:00 -
[37] - Quote
Draco Dustflier wrote:Health and damage increases don't add depth to dust. They're nothing but a crutch for the unskilled. At least with the other mods the advantage is situational. Profile dampening or extra stamina won't help much if you just run at people like you can ith a shield tank. More health means that you don't have to react as quickly whilst being shot at, and more damage means you can get away with missing your shots more often. Also, extra health or damage outweighs any other bonus possible, in all games. We see it with stopping power in mw2 and magnum ammo in bad compwny 2, and we see it with the hewvy suits in MAG.
Systems like these cater to the unskilled, allowing a **** poor proto player to do as well as an mlg pro in militia armor. When you cater to the unskilled, the people who are actually decent at fps will melt through all opposition (Aldin Kan is a perfect example) once they get their hands on it.
To the Op: You will never convince these people on these forums to give up their precious health increases. They don't realize how much of an effect it has on gameplay. All they know is that if they had to compete on the same level as all other suits, they would die, over and over and over again. The good news is that in a few months, the game will die and we intelligent people will be able to laugh at them as they get obliterwted in any modern fps they try to play!
I knew this from the beginning but a thread of this nature has never been done before to my knowledge. I figured someone should bring it to light. I do agree that if Dust stays the path it's on, it won't last near the 7-10 years it's projected. A familiar game is MAG. It lasted about 3 years. Even thought people still play it, the player base extremely small. It did however start with a much greater player base than Dust and had the same type of passionate community support Dust has. After maybe 2 years, MAG's player base may have been where Dust's is now. Technically Dust has only been released for a couple of months. I'm not excited to see the player base in a mere two years. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
246
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:11:00 -
[38] - Quote
Colonel Killar wrote:Draco Dustflier wrote:Health and damage increases don't add depth to dust. They're nothing but a crutch for the unskilled. At least with the other mods the advantage is situational. Profile dampening or extra stamina won't help much if you just run at people like you can ith a shield tank. More health means that you don't have to react as quickly whilst being shot at, and more damage means you can get away with missing your shots more often. Also, extra health or damage outweighs any other bonus possible, in all games. We see it with stopping power in mw2 and magnum ammo in bad compwny 2, and we see it with the hewvy suits in MAG.
Systems like these cater to the unskilled, allowing a **** poor proto player to do as well as an mlg pro in militia armor. When you cater to the unskilled, the people who are actually decent at fps will melt through all opposition (Aldin Kan is a perfect example) once they get their hands on it.
To the Op: You will never convince these people on these forums to give up their precious health increases. They don't realize how much of an effect it has on gameplay. All they know is that if they had to compete on the same level as all other suits, they would die, over and over and over again. The good news is that in a few months, the game will die and we intelligent people will be able to laugh at them as they get obliterwted in any modern fps they try to play! but it's also a RPG and in RPGs the ablity to buff health and damage is not uncommon
Dust's main website Dust514.com advertises Dust as an MMO Shooter which is a massive multiplayer online shooter which isn't the same as an MMORPG like FFXIV. CCP made the game and MMO shooter is what they state is it's genre. |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
53
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:19:00 -
[39] - Quote
Chinduko wrote:Colonel Killar wrote:Draco Dustflier wrote:Health and damage increases don't add depth to dust. They're nothing but a crutch for the unskilled. At least with the other mods the advantage is situational. Profile dampening or extra stamina won't help much if you just run at people like you can ith a shield tank. More health means that you don't have to react as quickly whilst being shot at, and more damage means you can get away with missing your shots more often. Also, extra health or damage outweighs any other bonus possible, in all games. We see it with stopping power in mw2 and magnum ammo in bad compwny 2, and we see it with the hewvy suits in MAG.
Systems like these cater to the unskilled, allowing a **** poor proto player to do as well as an mlg pro in militia armor. When you cater to the unskilled, the people who are actually decent at fps will melt through all opposition (Aldin Kan is a perfect example) once they get their hands on it.
To the Op: You will never convince these people on these forums to give up their precious health increases. They don't realize how much of an effect it has on gameplay. All they know is that if they had to compete on the same level as all other suits, they would die, over and over and over again. The good news is that in a few months, the game will die and we intelligent people will be able to laugh at them as they get obliterwted in any modern fps they try to play! but it's also a RPG and in RPGs the ablity to buff health and damage is not uncommon Dust's main website Dust514.com advertises Dust as an MMO Shooter which is a massive multiplayer online shooter which isn't the same as an MMORPG like FFXIV. CCP made the game and MMO shooter is what they state is it's genre. then no bounuses at all, and everyone has to use an AR too |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2171
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:21:00 -
[40] - Quote
Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* Why? |
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Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
55
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:25:00 -
[41] - Quote
XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* Why? Don't ask you'll lose IQ points if you do |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
128
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:40:00 -
[42] - Quote
Generalizations. Gotta love 'em.
How about we add a bit of immersion to the game and allow people to pick their battles based off of security status? Hi-Sec = mlt/std only. Low-Sec = adv and below. Null-Sec = everything? Add a bit of description of the limitations of each security status to each tab so it's easy for the majority of players who don't visit the forums to find and done. Let's stop messing with s***. The problem is new players getting stomped and a bad matchmaking system? How about we let the fng's CHOOSE where they want to fight and what they want to risk... |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
247
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:16:00 -
[43] - Quote
Colonel Killar wrote:Chinduko wrote:Colonel Killar wrote:Draco Dustflier wrote:Health and damage increases don't add depth to dust. They're nothing but a crutch for the unskilled. At least with the other mods the advantage is situational. Profile dampening or extra stamina won't help much if you just run at people like you can ith a shield tank. More health means that you don't have to react as quickly whilst being shot at, and more damage means you can get away with missing your shots more often. Also, extra health or damage outweighs any other bonus possible, in all games. We see it with stopping power in mw2 and magnum ammo in bad compwny 2, and we see it with the hewvy suits in MAG.
Systems like these cater to the unskilled, allowing a **** poor proto player to do as well as an mlg pro in militia armor. When you cater to the unskilled, the people who are actually decent at fps will melt through all opposition (Aldin Kan is a perfect example) once they get their hands on it.
To the Op: You will never convince these people on these forums to give up their precious health increases. They don't realize how much of an effect it has on gameplay. All they know is that if they had to compete on the same level as all other suits, they would die, over and over and over again. The good news is that in a few months, the game will die and we intelligent people will be able to laugh at them as they get obliterwted in any modern fps they try to play! but it's also a RPG and in RPGs the ablity to buff health and damage is not uncommon Dust's main website Dust514.com advertises Dust as an MMO Shooter which is a massive multiplayer online shooter which isn't the same as an MMORPG like FFXIV. CCP made the game and MMO shooter is what they state is it's genre. then no bounuses at all, and everyone has to use an AR too
I wouldn't take away all bonuses if I were CCP, only damage and hp enhancement. There are always the skills of hacking, biotics, uplinks. etc....
Even though the AR is the most useful weapon, I wouldn't take away all the other guns. CCP may actually balance the weapons one day.
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens EoN.
115
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:35:00 -
[44] - Quote
Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* That's like eating pie, without the crust |
Operative 1171 Aajli
D3LTA ACADEMY
38
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:42:00 -
[45] - Quote
I'd like to see the militia gear just be a completely unmodifying suit that is basic proto level.
You get a proto assault rifle but with the 36 round clip. You get a balanced proto level suit with equal parts damage/armor or shields/stamina.
The catch is that you can not tweak it for specific roles or mod it for more defense or offense.
Then just have basic suits and you skill up to role modules that you attach to "reprogram" the suit to a role.
That way you have your basic infantry cannon-fodder grunt and your specialized commando guys. Equally lethal just different ability to adapt to the situation and act tactically.
What does this do?
It opens up PC battles for corps/groups that don't want to field anything less than proto level players. It keeps the new players that might want to stay. It takes away the emphasis on gear vs. basic combat capability. It's less of a hassle than trying to separate players out by war points.
I have a tank guy. I don't always like to run a tank with him. I could jump in a better militia suit and still be useful. As it is I've had to spec up a bit on the suit and AR to enjoy running the basic assault job when tanks get too boring, expensive or routine. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
211
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:35:00 -
[46] - Quote
Fearless Speech wrote:Chinduko wrote:Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.
This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.
This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.
The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,
they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while
new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.
Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.
Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.
Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.
The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.
Edit *moved to feedback and requests* How many people in academy fights are running fully tanked proto suits? New players only face other new players / SPless alts. Extend academy (my understanding is its currently to 1mil sp) to 2 or 3 mil. /done It's to 10,000 WP I believe. Not near enough time. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
426
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:51:00 -
[47] - Quote
Aisha Ctarl wrote:I think I speak for most people when I say NO.
The new people can shoot the already damaged and injured enemy players to net kills, or they can think outside the box and not rush proto users head on then T_T when they get destroyed.
If the newbs are picking off the wounded, what will I do? |
Medic 1879
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
479
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:36:00 -
[48] - Quote
How about a "barebones" mode like the current modes but you must pick from a pre-determined loadout selection. Lorewise it could be explained by fighting for one of the empires and you must use gear they provide. and seeing as your using gear thats not yours you would get a lower payout than normal modes. |
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